Gulfstream650 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 489 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13948 times:
Came across this video, the Cessna flips on landing.
I've never flown a tail-wheel plane so I'm not familiar with the technique but judging by the screeches from the wheels I wonder if either the pilot either simply braked too much or perhaps the brakes simply locked.
FlybaurLAX From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 634 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13931 times:
Seems to me that he applied the brakes with too much force for the speed he was at.
474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 10 Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13816 times:
Skibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13552 times:
Looks to me like he started to ground loop the plane, which is very easy to do in a tail dragger on concrete. If you watch the video closely, you will see that the plane started to veer to the left, and was heading off the runway. So I would say that he failed to maintain lateral control and then overcompensated by applying too much brake in hope of stopping before going off the runway.
Type-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4355 posts, RR: 20 Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13373 times:
This accident was more of a nose over rather than a flip over type accident. I think he panicked and hit the brakes too hard.
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797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1821 posts, RR: 26 Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13058 times:
Not only he applied the brakes very too damn hard, but also didn't compensate with some nice back pressure on the elevator. These kind of planes are a lot more reliant on their horizontal stabilizer than the braking itself - they should come together all the time (specially in this case as it's a tail drag plane).
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Suprazachair From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Feb 2004, 632 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12883 times:
Quoting 797 (Reply 7): Not only he applied the brakes very too damn hard, but also didn't compensate with some nice back pressure on the elevator. These kind of planes are a lot more reliant on their horizontal stabilizer than the braking itself - they should come together all the time (specially in this case as it's a tail drag plane).
Bingo... go and get a taildragger endorsement and you're sure to hear: "Keep the stick in your lap, keep pulling back. Easy on the brakes."
ZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1923 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10351 times:
I hate speculating, but just from viewing this I will give what (IN MY OPINION) looks to have transpired, I do not know if the aircraft had a mechanical issue (potential because people watching the landing) or any other factors, this is all that I saw.
Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 5): Looks to me like he started to ground loop the plane, which is very easy to do in a tail dragger on concrete. If you watch the video closely, you will see that the plane started to veer to the left, and was heading off the runway. So I would say that he failed to maintain lateral control and then overcompensated by applying too much brake in hope of stopping before going off the runway.
This is what looks to be the problem, if you look very closely you can see it begin to yaw to the left, there are two main things you can to do compensate for this. A) Use Right Rudder, this will only be effective at a higher forward airspeed, or if you apply some power. B) Use some Right Break, this you have to be very carfull of because of a few things - this looks to be the case... He may have tried "too" hard to save the landing and pressed down too much break hopeing to either keep the airplane on the runway or stop before getting off the runway.
On interesting senario is if the left break locked, trying to keep the nose strait you would need enough right break that would be enough to have at the very least a prop strike.
Jtamu97 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 655 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4570 times:
There was a taildragger crash just the other day not too far from where I live. Three people died and initial reports are a wind gust flipped the plane on landing.
Vikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 8228 posts, RR: 28 Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3291 times:
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Quoting HAWK21m (Reply 12): Looking at the Elevator position around 00:16.......Input to raise tail was provided,supplemented probably by heavy braking.
Mel - that actually looks like input to lower the tail. Looks to me like the elevators raise a bit - maybe he realized what was about to happen.
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Gregarious119 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 523 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2263 times:
I admit I've done that a few times on Flightgear....
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