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Plane Flips On Landing (Video)  
User currently offlineGulfstream650 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 539 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 15146 times:

Came across this video, the Cessna flips on landing.

I've never flown a tail-wheel plane so I'm not familiar with the technique but judging by the screeches from the wheels I wonder if either the pilot either simply braked too much or perhaps the brakes simply locked.

What do you think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_LZFxAcHg8


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User currently offlineFlybaurLAX From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 15129 times:

Seems to me that he applied the brakes with too much force for the speed he was at.


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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 15014 times:

Two reasons:

1. Too much speed.

2. Too much breaking.


User currently offlinePhoenix9 From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 2546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14948 times:

The speed at which the pilot applied the brakes looks like almost a take-off run. Student pilot??


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User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 14869 times:

Quoting Phoenix9 (Reply 3):
The speed at which the pilot applied the brakes looks like almost a take-off run. Student pilot??

I thought the same - but you see him on short-final at the start of the video.

[Edited 2009-01-31 17:19:24]

User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 14750 times:

Looks to me like he started to ground loop the plane, which is very easy to do in a tail dragger on concrete. If you watch the video closely, you will see that the plane started to veer to the left, and was heading off the runway. So I would say that he failed to maintain lateral control and then overcompensated by applying too much brake in hope of stopping before going off the runway.


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User currently offlineType-Rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 14571 times:

This accident was more of a nose over rather than a flip over type accident. I think he panicked and hit the brakes too hard.

User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1896 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14256 times:

Not only he applied the brakes very too damn hard, but also didn't compensate with some nice back pressure on the elevator. These kind of planes are a lot more reliant on their horizontal stabilizer than the braking itself - they should come together all the time (specially in this case as it's a tail drag plane).


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User currently offlineSuprazachair From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Feb 2004, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14081 times:



Quoting 797 (Reply 7):
Not only he applied the brakes very too damn hard, but also didn't compensate with some nice back pressure on the elevator. These kind of planes are a lot more reliant on their horizontal stabilizer than the braking itself - they should come together all the time (specially in this case as it's a tail drag plane).

Bingo... go and get a taildragger endorsement and you're sure to hear: "Keep the stick in your lap, keep pulling back. Easy on the brakes."


User currently offlineLGW340 From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12747 times:

This video was on the MSN homepage a couple of days ago and the pilot said it was a gust of wind. That did not look like a gust of wind to me.


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User currently onlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1987 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 11549 times:

I hate speculating, but just from viewing this I will give what (IN MY OPINION) looks to have transpired, I do not know if the aircraft had a mechanical issue (potential because people watching the landing) or any other factors, this is all that I saw.

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 5):
Looks to me like he started to ground loop the plane, which is very easy to do in a tail dragger on concrete. If you watch the video closely, you will see that the plane started to veer to the left, and was heading off the runway. So I would say that he failed to maintain lateral control and then overcompensated by applying too much brake in hope of stopping before going off the runway.

This is what looks to be the problem, if you look very closely you can see it begin to yaw to the left, there are two main things you can to do compensate for this. A) Use Right Rudder, this will only be effective at a higher forward airspeed, or if you apply some power. B) Use some Right Break, this you have to be very carfull of because of a few things - this looks to be the case... He may have tried "too" hard to save the landing and pressed down too much break hopeing to either keep the airplane on the runway or stop before getting off the runway.

On interesting senario is if the left break locked, trying to keep the nose strait you would need enough right break that would be enough to have at the very least a prop strike.



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User currently offlineJtamu97 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 658 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5768 times:

There was a taildragger crash just the other day not too far from where I live. Three people died and initial reports are a wind gust flipped the plane on landing.

http://www.kbmt12.com/news/local/38655222.html



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User currently offlineHAWK21m From India, joined Jan 2001, 31692 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5543 times:

Looking at the Elevator position around 00:16.......Input to raise tail was provided,supplemented probably by heavy braking.

regds
MEL....



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User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10129 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4489 times:
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Quoting HAWK21m (Reply 12):
Looking at the Elevator position around 00:16.......Input to raise tail was provided,supplemented probably by heavy braking.

Mel - that actually looks like input to lower the tail. Looks to me like the elevators raise a bit - maybe he realized what was about to happen.



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User currently offlineGregarious119 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3461 times:

I admit I've done that a few times on Flightgear....

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