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Etihad Is Coming To ORD  
User currently offlineJetskipper From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 381 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9669 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/090202/20090202005514.html?.v=1

Looks like we'll be seeing the 340-500.

[Edited 2009-02-02 08:12:56]

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User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9555 times:

The article states they will be arriving at 8:55 p.m. I would think that would eliminate a lot of connection possibilities or do they have a late night early a.m. bank of departures. I hope it is successful. The more airlines to ORD the better. Is RJ still in the market?

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9507 times:



Quoting ORDagent (Reply 1):
. Is RJ still in the market?

Yes, RJ still serves ORD-AMM.

Great move on pipping EK to the post here....I think the route will be successful.

It will hinder EK and to a certain extent, PK's ambition to start/restart ORD. Of course, with EK, they'll do it anyway.

I think the big loser here is AA. They've had years the ability to start ORD-DXB. It would have been an "established" route by now had they decided to start it in 2005/2006.

Once again, we see the stupidity and conservativeness of AA management go against them.

A 4:40 arrival at ORD isn't too bad..though I think it should arrive a bit earlier. 8:55 p.m. at AUH actually isn't too bad as the late evening/early night time is when there is a large bank of flights....especially to places to Asia, etc.



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2641 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9479 times:

Congrats to ORD, another foreign airline is always welcome news!

User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2809 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9436 times:



Quoting ORDagent (Reply 1):
The article states they will be arriving at 8:55 p.m. I would think that would eliminate a lot of connection possibilities

Maybe they'll work it like they do at DUB; On M/W/F a late arrival/departure and on T/T/S an early arrival/departure...



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4716 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9421 times:

Flight timings are as follows:

EY 151 Dep AUH 1020 Arr ORD 1640
EY 150 Dep ORD 2030 Arr AUH 2055+1

Connections via AUH are available in both directions on a daily basis to IKA, ISB, KHI, LHE, BOM, DAC, DEL, BKK, DOH, MCT, KWI, MAA, TRV and COK.

Very good move to launch ORD before EK and QR do. They will get high loads to Southern India, Pakistan and Dhaka especially plus give Air India/BA/LH/AF a good run for their money to BOM/DEL. One should not be surprised to see a knee-jerk response from EK this year with their own DXB-ORD nonstop flights using a B 777-300ER!


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9327 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 2):
A 4:40 arrival at ORD isn't too bad..though I think it should arrive a bit earlier.

I wonder whether gate space was an issue. By dinner time, T-5 is significantly less congested than it is a bit earlier.



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User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9202 times:

Very good move.

I think this route will work very good, chicago is a high yields pax destination.

Will they have codeshare destination with any EEUU airline??

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 5):
Connections via AUH are available in both directions on a daily basis to IKA, ISB, KHI, LHE, BOM, DAC, DEL, BKK, DOH, MCT, KWI, MAA, TRV and COK.

So it´s a perfect time for connections.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8845 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 2):
A 4:40 arrival at ORD isn't too bad..though I think it should arrive a bit earlier.

I wonder whether gate space was an issue. By dinner time, T-5 is significantly less congested than it is a bit earlier.

Possibly, however, of all the zillions of flights out of ORD at all times, even during "peak" international travel times, I've seen gates always present. Don't forget, there have been cut services as well..by both UA and AA, as well as carriers such as BD,etc.

Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 7):
So it´s a perfect time for connections.

That's what I was saying... yes 

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 2):
at AUH actually isn't too bad as the late evening/early night time is when there is a large bank of flights....especially to places to Asia, etc.




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User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8792 times:

Cool. It would be nice to have more options to fly to Pakistan from ORD. I wish PIA comes back.

PIA777



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User currently offlineBochora From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2008, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8756 times:

Superb move - almost dismissing EK and QR and saying that they can make it work.

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4716 posts, RR: 44
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8683 times:



Quoting PIA777 (Reply 9):
Cool. It would be nice to have more options to fly to Pakistan from ORD. I wish PIA comes back.

PIA777

before anyone suggests that PIA should re launch ORD immediately, please keep in mind that if they do, only twice weekly flights will be launched so there will be no point in competing against EY who will offer DAILY flights via AUH in both directions to ISB/LHE/KHI with a 2 hour transit only.

Plus EK too will launch ORD this year most likely so first it was JFK, then IAH and now ORD has been lost by PIA to the Arab carriers.

Quoting Bochora (Reply 10):
Superb move - almost dismissing EK and QR and saying that they can make it work.

thats right...in the same way how they came first to YYZ and BRU before EK by taking the initiative.


User currently onlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 3019 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8656 times:

Great to hear Etihad will be coming to ORD later this year. Good move on their part. Hope they're successful on the route and wish them the best.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 2):
It will hinder EK and to a certain extent, PK's ambition to start/restart ORD. Of course, with EK, they'll do it anyway.

That it will. And I agree EK will start ORD service no matter what. I would love to see PK return to ORD, and I also agree that this will probably cause a problem for PK.

I think this flight by Etihad might end up taking some of AI's traffic. A good reason to maybe start non-stop flights to ORD from India.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3641 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8591 times:



Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 12):

I think this flight by Etihad might end up taking some of AI's traffic. A good reason to maybe start non-stop flights to ORD from India.

Don't forget that AA also flies ORD-DEL daily, so AI would also fAAce a very strong competitor.

Still, I agree on EK coming to ORD soon as part of their world domination plan. And QR might be in the pipeline, too: the ORD exhibition at the Chicago Architectural Society currently going on has Qatar Airways as its flagship sponsor. Probably a warning sign that QR is getting ready to announce ORD...



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8244 times:



Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 13):
n't forget that AA also flies ORD-DEL daily, so AI would also fAAce a very strong competitor.

Hence why I made the previous comment of:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 2):
I think the big loser here is AA. They've had years the ability to start ORD-DXB. It would have been an "established" route by now had they decided to start it in 2005/2006.




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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3945 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7919 times:
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Is there any word they'll join *Alliance since UA is the stronger hub operator @ ORD?

User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3635 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7883 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 11):
Plus EK too will launch ORD this year most likely so first it was JFK, then IAH and now ORD has been lost by PIA to the Arab carriers.

Actually ORD would be the 5th, since EK has already added LAX and SFO (forgot which order).

With EY adding ORD, and possibly EK, I wonder if QR will seriously consider ORD. I'm surprised QR did not suggest ORD sooner especially they have a codeshare agreement with UA from IAD.



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7709 times:

With the relatively high density configuration of EY's A340-500, they should be able to put it to good use on this route - allowing it go out full every day and probably even do okay for cargo (hell, if AA does well with a 77E to DEL, an A345 to AUH will do great).

I think that for this flight to do really well - they are going to need to get codeshares running with either UA or AA (UA has a stronger connecting bank, but AA is fine too).

A codeshare with UA would be perfect, because United in Arabic is Etihad.

My understanding (from this forum) is that VS's ORD flight is not one of their stronger performers, and they have no codeshares I know of from ORD. RJ, on the other hand has connectivity from AA at ORD. I am not sure whether or not UA would be receptive to codesharing to AUH, however, as they are starting up their own DXB from IAD.

Good for them though. I'd be happy to fly this route (I've been anxious to see the UAE and Qatar), if only I could get Star Alliance or SkyTeams miles....



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7679 times:



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 17):
My understanding (from this forum) is that VS's ORD flight is not one of their stronger performers, and they have no codeshares I know of from ORD.

FWIW, the fact that VS suspended ORD for a while probably suggests that it isn't one of the stronger performers in the VS network. And while VS does lack codeshares ex-ORD, they do codeshare with CO, and as CO and UA get closer-- and especially if AA and BA get ATI-- a partnership with UA might make some sense.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24084 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7590 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 2):
I think the big loser here is AA. They've had years the ability to start ORD-DXB. It would have been an "established" route by now had they decided to start it in 2005/2006. Once again, we see the stupidity and conservativeness of AA management go against them.

I can't see ORD-DXB being a lucrative route for AA. As far as I know, most passengers on EK/EY to/from DXB/AUH are connecting beyond to other points in Asia, with India probably the major O&D which AA already serves nonstop from ORD. EK/EY operate online to many points in that area. AA would have to rely almost solely on the limited amount of O&D traffic to/from the UAE which already has plenty of capacity to/from the U.S.

In my experience AA has always given priority to destinations with strong O&D traffic, and less on connecting traffic which is usually lower yield. I'm sure that's the main reason why AA doesn't serve AMS.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7368 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 2):
I think the big loser here is AA. They've had years the ability to start ORD-DXB. It would have been an "established" route by now had they decided to start it in 2005/2006. Once again, we see the stupidity and conservativeness of AA management go against them.

I can't see ORD-DXB being a lucrative route for AA. As far as I know, most passengers on EK/EY to/from DXB/AUH are connecting beyond to other points in Asia, with India probably the major O&D which AA already serves nonstop from ORD. EK/EY operate online to many points in that area. AA would have to rely almost solely on the limited amount of O&D traffic to/from the UAE which already has plenty of capacity to/from the U.S.

I think it would have done quite well as an O&D and connecting combo. Just like the way EK feeds from say USA-DXB-Asia, AA could have as well. ORD-DEL doesn't provide decent connections...I've tried to fly on the route a number of times but have been "stonewalled' thanks in part to a lack of connections.

With carriers such as 9W and AI serving DXB, connections to India would be good. The same can be said of other carriers to other destinations...

Also, AA does interline with EK and while EK hasn't even flown the route, AA could have used it as a strength for a number of years with EK as a connection point onwards.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 18):
Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 17):
My understanding (from this forum) is that VS's ORD flight is not one of their stronger performers, and they have no codeshares I know of from ORD.

FWIW, the fact that VS suspended ORD for a while probably suggests that it isn't one of the stronger performers in the VS network. And while VS does lack codeshares ex-ORD, they do codeshare with CO, and as CO and UA get closer-- and especially if AA and BA get ATI-- a partnership with UA might make some sense.

Part of the problem as to why VS ended back in 2001 was because they were in the process of retiring the B742's, which served ORD (I flew VS ORD-LHR-ORD back in 07-2001)....I've seen VS send their A346's to ORD as well.....

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19):

In my experience AA has always given priority to destinations with strong O&D traffic, and less on connecting traffic which is usually lower yield. I'm sure that's the main reason why AA doesn't serve AMS.

You mean my JFK-LHR flight last week with only 75 pax on board... spin 

In all seriousness, they have tried some "interesting" routes..such as ORD-DEL, SJC-NRT, SJC-TPE...'ell, even SJC-CDG....some pan out and some dont'.....I do believe ORD-DXB would have done well had they launched it back in 2005/2006... yes 



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7220 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 20):
Part of the problem as to why VS ended back in 2001 was because they were in the process of retiring the B742's, which served ORD (I flew VS ORD-LHR-ORD back in 07-2001)....I've seen VS send their A346's to ORD as well.....

 checkmark The fact that they dropped ORD rather than some other city should say something about ORD's relative performance, though.



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12428 posts, RR: 100
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6901 times:
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Quoting Behramjee (Reply 5):

EY 151 Dep AUH 1020 Arr ORD 1640
EY 150 Dep ORD 2030 Arr AUH 2055+1

Those sound like excellent times for ORD and OK times for AUH. The arrival time is fine. But isn't the 1020 departure too far out of the banks (or does EY bank like EK does)?

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 2):
Great move on pipping EK to the post here....I think the route will be successful.

 rotfl 

I wonder if this will be like UA from IAD, effectively closing off the market (for a bit) to EK?
 Wink

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 2):
They've had years the ability to start ORD-DXB.

As others have already noted, DXB is not a strong O&D market. I think UA/EK are peacefully working together on IAD-DXB. I could see EK playing nice... but not for too long.

Is there any information on the UA IAD-DXB performance? Who they connect with?

Quoting Bochora (Reply 10):
Superb move - almost dismissing EK and QR and saying that they can make it work.

In a way they are!  box 

I wish this was going on AA or UA metal. But hey, EY is stepping up to the plate.  bigthumbsup 

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineFlyMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6833 times:

FANTASTIC!!!!
Great to see another international carrier here at ORD
Hopefully the service will be successful and EY will be here to stay.



Fly the friendly skies of life!. Enjoy every minute.
User currently offlineSFOHORIZON From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6725 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 2):
I think the big loser here is AA. They've had years the ability to start ORD-DXB. It would have been an "established" route by now had they decided to start it in 2005/2006.



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19):
I can't see ORD-DXB being a lucrative route for AA. As far as I know, most passengers on EK/EY to/from DXB/AUH are connecting beyond to other points in Asia, with India probably the major O&D which AA already serves nonstop from ORD. EK/EY operate online to many points in that area. AA would have to rely almost solely on the limited amount of O&D traffic to/from the UAE which already has plenty of capacity to/from the U.S.

Delta manages to do DXB and isn't United doing the same.
Yes, I agree, another missed opportunity for AA.


25 SurfandSnow : The funny thing about ORD is that while all three "domestic" terminals are strained to the limit (reiterated by Virgin America's inability to commenc
26 Post contains images Jacobin777 : An interesting supposition. ....that being said, EK is certainly one carrier which is afraid of no carrier... Connecting in/out of DXB last week on E
27 Directorguy : We all expected EK to announce ORD first... I didn't anticipate that EY would beat 'em to it! I think that had the A380s come sooner, and had the B77L
28 FWAERJ : IIRC, AA has mentioned DFW-DXB as a potential B787-9 city pair. (That is, if EK doesn't beat them to the punch...)
29 Thorben : Great picture. The T7s are looking so cute and small.
30 Jacobin777 : Yup, 2020, after the route has been super-saturated with 2 EK A380's.. Thanks... but it doesn't look small when you see the size of the engines in re
31 Ronerone : FINALLY! I have been waiting so long for EY's next US destination, and they seemed to have handpicked it; one that beats EK to the punch Since the A34
32 Behramjee : Yes EY have just started to develop properly their "banks" at AUH. One is for 9-1030am departures to Europe/North America from AUH as all ISC/BKK/GCC
33 Jacobin777 : Possibly, however an evening to late night departure certainly would have improved field performance (thus economics) of the flight. Also, AA's ORD-D
34 Cubsrule : How are the connecting facilities at AUH? Is it a pleasant place to transfer?
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