Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21025 posts, RR: 60 Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 25508 times:
Hard to see on LN1, but looks the same as 2, in that the wing-body fairing is still missing. This was a part that had to be reworked, so hopefully it is still off so it's easier to get to other connections and not because it's still not finished...
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
YXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 799 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 20228 times:
Flyabunch From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 512 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 19207 times:
Quoting SAS330GOT (Reply 4): Wings look absolutely stunning though.. I really like the hybrid winglet/raked tip..
I am looking forward to seeing in-the-air shots of the arc of those wings. They are the best feature of the bird.
ArabAirX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16756 times:
Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 5): When on earth is this aircraft going to fly? Seems to be taking forever!!!
According to Boeing, by the end of the second quarter, altough how much faith one has in that depends on how much you had in the previous delay targets!
Jush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16616 times:
Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 7):
Wow I was wondering if I was the only one that thought that the nose looked like the old Caravelle , glad to see I'm not alone.
No, I'm with you, you are not alone. It really looks like a modern Caravelle. She looks Beautiful from upfront. I love this distinctive nose. Great design Boeing.
I do not like the sideview that much though. Looks a bit like the 767 which I don't like much.
Regds
jush
There is one problem with airbus. Though their products are engineering marvels they lack passion, completely.
Boeingluvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16271 times:
Great article. Nice to see recent pics, and see that things are under way. It's nice to see that very little will now prevent further delay of the 787.
Pylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1391 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14828 times:
How is ANA possibly going to get the first delivery in February 2010, I am wondering?
11 months should include ground tests, first flight, full FAA certification circle and preparation the first a/c for delivery.
We all want the 787 to take off - and to find itself in ANA's hands a.s.a.p.
But 11 months sounds completely unrealistic.
NRT744 From Japan, joined Feb 2005, 33 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14620 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2): Hard to see on LN1, but looks the same as 2, in that the wing-body fairing is still missing. This was a part that had to be reworked, so hopefully it is still off so it's easier to get to other connections and not because it's still not finished...
Good Eyes!! Do we have any updates on the 8's wing-box and fairings?
Or, should I assume that the problem is fixed, so they're back in line?
For some reason, I'm getting used to hearing delays.
Haven't we been hearing delays since the 380 production?
Quoting SAS330GOT (Reply 4): Maybe it's just me but I really think the nose section of the 787 resembles the Caravelle.
Wow!! You're absolutely right!! No wonder the plane looked awfully familiar to something when I first saw it. Thanks for the answer!!
EBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13431 times:
I'm a bit surprised to see that someone else knew the Caravelle got its nose from the Comet. In my opinion, the new nose on the A350XWB looks very much like that on the 787, so we appear to see a trend developing here.
Parapente From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1310 posts, RR: 10 Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13070 times:
Sadly this was exactly the point being made by Bert Rutan recently (hence his interest in Spaceflight) when he said that there had hardly been any real developments in commercial aviation in the last 50 years. There are of course the exceptions such as Concorde but otherwise its a bit like petrol heads going on (and on)about a slightly new bumper shape. Why -because thats all there is. Bring on the BWB!
Adam42185 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 395 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9104 times:
Quoting Shankly (Reply 17): has taken 60 years to come back to where it all started
Seems like they got the nose right on the first jet airline and since then people have been tinkering with it to make it better to find out that they were right in the first place! I'm sure there are aerodynamic reasons for design changes over time, but often you can learn a lot from what has been done in the past.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21025 posts, RR: 60 Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7969 times:
Quoting Adam42185 (Reply 21): Seems like they got the nose right on the first jet airline and since then people have been tinkering with it to make it better to find out that they were right in the first place!
There have been quite a few planes with this type of nose, at least in one fashion or another:
DC8/9/MD80/90/717
707/727/757
CRJ
ERJ
etc.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 81 Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6958 times:
Quoting Pylon101 (Reply 14): How is ANA possibly going to get the first delivery in February 2010, I am wondering?
In theory...first flight some time in Q2 2009, flight test finished by the end of 2009. Certification should follow very closely on the end of flight test, and the production system will have been busy cranking out more 787's during the flight test program (the first delivery won't be LN1, I suspect).
Quoting Pylon101 (Reply 14): 11 months should include ground tests, first flight, full FAA certification circle and preparation the first a/c for delivery.
The certification process runs in parallel with flight testing...there shouldn't be much gap on the end. I'm pretty sure the first a/c to deliver won't be LN1, it will be something much deeper in the production line. The first delivery should be sitting there, ready to go, as soon as the certification is done.
The original flight test program was supposed to be 6-9 months...I hadn't heard 11. Although, given everything else, who knows what it'll really be.
Quoting Parapente (Reply 19): Sadly this was exactly the point being made by Bert Rutan recently (hence his interest in Spaceflight) when he said that there had hardly been any real developments in commercial aviation in the last 50 years.
Then he's an idiot. There's way more to commercial aviation than configuration.
Shankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1470 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6745 times:
Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 23): Then he's an idiot. There's way more to commercial aviation than configuration
Tom, I think I know who I'd rather have on my pub quiz team
L1011 - P F M
25 ArabAirX: I'd have to say I agree with you. At least for the 787 (and upcoming A350XWB family), the move away from aluminum to composite for the main airplane
26 MCIGuy: Nice pics, thanks. I'll be happy just to see 001 come out of repaint. Baby steps...
27 Tdscanuck: Slightly in Burt Rutan's defence, it's a first for commercial aviation. Rutan's been doing all-composite airplanes for a long time (well before the B
29 ArabAirX: Certainly has elements of the comet and caravelle...maybe I just have bad eyesight.
30 GothamSpotter: Rutan is right. Of course there have been great strides in improving engine efficiency, passenger comfort and cockpit ergonomics. But fundamentally,
31 ArabAirX: We could (possibly) add the Tu-144 as well, although its sucess was rather more shortlived!
32 Babybus: The whole 787 looks very familiar, it's Comet nose, it's 777 backside and wings and it's 767 body. It's going to feel like a real home from home when
33 Tdscanuck: Fly by wire? Turbofans? Composites? VNAV/LNAV? INS? Digital avionics? Supersonic flight? Safety record? If we're going with the "everything is derive
34 B747forever: Wow, great pics. Cant wait anymore until this bird begins to fly. Come on Boeing!!!
35 757GB: I guess it all depends on each person's own definition or what "real development" means. We are all going to support or refute the statement accordin
36 ArabAirX: I bet all the (remaining) 787 customers share that view!
37 Nomadd22: I don't think I'd criticize Burt over semantics. He obviously has a different definition of the term "Real development". His designs are entirely new
38 Rheinbote: Anyone who thinks that the 787 nose looks like the Caravelle/Comet should get his eyesight checked. If you're generous, the loft lines may bear a loos
39 MD-90: In Huntsville, Alabama in 2001 Burt Rutan told me that he was bored with aeronautics and was more interested in spaceflight. At that time he was in Hu
40 Rampart: In some past thread, a good number of A.netters agreed with you, as do I and you see a small sampling of that here. Aribter of perception, are we? It
41 Rheinbote: Exactly, that's why I think a nose with 8 flat square windows doesn't quite look like one with 4 large curved/rounded ones. Anyway, the 7E7 nose was
42 Rampart: Ah, I get you. I never think to look at the windows. 7E7 was pretty radical, and not just the nose. -Rampart
43 ArabAirX: Ah yes, just like the famous Bullet Train! Would have been quite an achievement had that aspect and the tail remained as per the 7E7 concept. On the
44 Metroliner: ...whose nose design was based on the DC-8...
45 ArabAirX: Seems designers are relying on epic designs of yesteryear to give us a glimpse of the future! Full circle!
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