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DL Moving In ANC?  
User currently offlineAS777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 145 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5469 times:

As I was driving past the Domestic Terminal this morning on my way to work, I noticed a Delta tail right next to the NW tail in the South Terminal. One of two scenarios has happened.

A) The NW 75 went MX so they had to send another plane up for the PX and it is possibly the 75 painted in DL colors(if there is one yet)

or

B) Delta has officially moved from the International Terminal(North Terminal) to the NW gates at the South Terminal. I am not sure if this could be it, I haven't been inside to see what the Ticket Counter looks like.

So a couple questions...

Anyone know?

If B has happened, anyone know whats going to happen in the summer? I know in the summer NW usually has two 75's here at one time and DL sometimes has both the 75 and 76 here at the same time.

Will the South gates be able to handle a 76? I know where the 75 was sitting, not much room left between her and the fence. No one else flies a 76 into the domestic terminals.

Thanks ya'll!

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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5417 times:

Hmmm... Will be flying out of ANC (from a cruise) on 6/3/09. Might be good to know what to expect.


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5266 times:



Quoting AS777 (Thread starter):
The NW 75 went MX so they had to send another plane up for the PX and it is possibly the 75 painted in DL colors(if there is one yet)

The Delta tail that you saw is a Northwest plane, its operating NW 9861 to Tokyo for use in Pacific services.



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User currently offlineAS777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5236 times:

Thanks Burnsie! I wasn't sure what was going on here.

User currently offlineGRRTVC From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 275 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5139 times:

As of today DL will remain in the North Terminal and NW will remain on C-Concourse until the B-Concourse reopens.

Don't be too surprised to see ex-NW a/c in DL colors sitting at C8 and C9 over the coming months though.

GRRTVC


User currently offlineGRRTVC From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 275 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5074 times:

Forgot to answer one of your questions.

The C-Concourse is pretty tight ramp side. The largest a/c that can fit (with the current gate configuration, jet bridges, etc) is a B757-200W/-300.

The B-Concourse will have a variety of a/c capabilities. Depending on gate ANC will have the capability to handle EMB/CRJ's up to the A330 and in a pinch a B747.

GRRTVC


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5831 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4939 times:

Original poster, please see this thread to answer your question:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4304312/


The plan at PANC is to move all the domestic airlines BACK INTO THE DOMESTIC TERMINAL (go figure) when it's ready to open. That would include Delta, Continental, and USScare.

I assume Continental will move back to A, where they were before the closing. Delta and US, I have no idea.

But Charlie terminal gets VERY crowded when Alaska is doing a big push, Northwest shows up, and Shared Services comes in. That's a plane on every gate, with no elbow room.
It was ESPECIALLY bad last week when the jetbridge for C8 went INOP. An aircraft was already parked there, and they ended up just using mobile airstairs to exit the plane, and then climbing the jetway stairs to get into the terminal!


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4881 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
Delta and US, I have no idea.

DL will most likely have to use B, as A won't have any room and C can't handle a 767 (which is used on ATL-ANC in the summer). Either that, or they'll have to make do with Delta staying in the international terminal.

Personally, I hope DL moves to B - it'll give CRC members access to the Board Room when on DL flights.


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4689 times:

Could someone please give a verbal layout of ANC's terminals/concourses? On the map at http://www.dot.state.ak.us/anc/travelerInfo/terminalMaps.shtml, it just shows "North" terminal and "South" terminal. I'm not sure where DL is from that info.


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User currently offlineGRRTVC From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 275 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4583 times:

Here's the breakdown, or rather the current plan, of where airlines will be when the B-Concourse reopens.

A-Concourse
No Mainline

B-Concourse
Delta/Northwest
Continental
US Airways
Shared Services (BP/ConocoPhillips)
American (Seasonal)
Frontier Airlines (Seasonal)
Air Canada (Seasonal)
Sun Country (Seasonal)

C-Concourse
Alaska

North Terminal
China Airlines
Condor (Seasonal)
Any other international operators

Regionals airlines will pretty much remain where they are.

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 8):
I'm not sure where DL is from that info.

DL is currently in the North Terminal with CO and US.

GRRTVC


User currently offlineDingDong From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4532 times:



Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 8):
Could someone please give a verbal layout of ANC's terminals/concourses?

Was in PANC a month ago. Can say this seems accurate or close to it for the current arrangement:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Ste..._Airport#Airlines_and_destinations

Man, the updated South Terminal looks nothing like what it looked like years ago - looks great! IIRC, North Terminal is currently still the old style though certainly functional and adequate. Smile

GRRTVC listed the new arrangement post-concourse B reconstruction, though I don't recall when B will reopen, other than it will be sometime this year.



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User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3449 times:



Quoting GRRTVC (Reply 9):
Here's the breakdown, or rather the current plan, of where airlines will be when the B-Concourse reopens.

A-Concourse
No Mainline

B-Concourse
Delta/Northwest
Continental
US Airways
Shared Services (BP/ConocoPhillips)
American (Seasonal)
Frontier Airlines (Seasonal)
Air Canada (Seasonal)
Sun Country (Seasonal)

C-Concourse
Alaska

North Terminal
China Airlines
Condor (Seasonal)
Any other international operators

Regionals airlines will pretty much remain where they are.

I have a few questions for you:

1. What will become of A concourse? That's a pretty big remodel, only to have nobody use it. Any chance it could become a "seasonal" concourse for AA/F9/AC/SY?

2. Who's ground handling AC now? UA did AC's ramp and customer service work here previously, and as we all know UA is no longer in town.

3. Will AS get any gates back in the B concourse? Before it closed, AS had C1-C9 and B3/4/6 for 12 gates total. If NW goes back to B and AS doesn't get any extra gates, that's obviously only 9 gates instead of the 12 previously; even now it's 10 gates total if you were to count the C0A/B/C as three gates, which you might as well since that set up takes up ramp space on the B concourse.

4. Any plans to update the North Terminal? That's going to be a lonely building after the domestics go back to the South Terminal.



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User currently offlineAnonms From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 620 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2585 times:

Quoting Chugach (Reply 11):
Any plans to update the North Terminal? That's going to be a lonely building after the domestics go back to the South Terminal.

Well, given that the only regular carrier there would be CI and XF (according to WIkipedia, but the maps on ANC's website don't have any indication of XF), I don't really see the point in investing in updating the North Terminal. More space for CI passengers transiting to/from JFK, I guess (unless they're not allowed off the plane; that would suck).

[Edited 2009-02-03 14:55:10]

[Edited 2009-02-03 14:57:13]


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User currently offlineAzncsa4qf744er From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2421 times:



Quoting Anonms (Reply 12):
Well, given that the only regular carrier there would be CI

I always wonder about CI at ANC, are their passengers only transiting to/from JFK or are they dropping/picking up local traffic out of ANC?


User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2399 times:



Quoting Azncsa4qf744er (Reply 13):
I always wonder about CI at ANC, are their passengers only transiting to/from JFK or are they dropping/picking up local traffic out of ANC

They have local ANC-TPE-ANC traffic rights, but not ANC-JFK-ANC.



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User currently offlineAzncsa4qf744er From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2360 times:



Quoting Chugach (Reply 14):
They have local ANC-TPE-ANC traffic rights, but not ANC-JFK-ANC.

I knew about the ANC JFK but I wasn't sure on the TPE ANC sector. I'm amazed that there's a demand for passenger traffic between the city pair, other than the usual freighter.


User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2318 times:



Quoting Azncsa4qf744er (Reply 15):
I'm amazed that there's a demand for passenger traffic between the city pair, other than the usual freighter.

I don't think there's much if any in the way of actual O&D demand. I think it's more CI thinking that if they stop there every day, they might as well pick up a few people to fill up the plane.



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User currently offlineGRRTVC From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 275 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2292 times:



Quoting Chugach (Reply 11):
1. What will become of A concourse? That's a pretty big remodel, only to have nobody use it. Any chance it could become a "seasonal" concourse for AA/F9/AC/SY?

2. Who's ground handling AC now? UA did AC's ramp and customer service work here previously, and as we all know UA is no longer in town.

3. Will AS get any gates back in the B concourse? Before it closed, AS had C1-C9 and B3/4/6 for 12 gates total. If NW goes back to B and AS doesn't get any extra gates, that's obviously only 9 gates instead of the 12 previously; even now it's 10 gates total if you were to count the C0A/B/C as three gates, which you might as well since that set up takes up ramp space on the B concourse.

4. Any plans to update the North Terminal? That's going to be a lonely building after the domestics go back to the South Terminal.

1. A will still have Frontier, Hageland, and Grant operating from the lower level. Between the B & C concourses there will be little need for A-Concourse for mainline service; at least in the near future. Plus with the new baggage system serving B the users will be better off using the new system.

2. Haven't heard.

3. The plan was for AS to have three gates on B but that may be changing.

4. There has been talk to renovate the North Terminal but it can't really be justified at this time. I.e. a lot of money for little bang sort to speak. With the domestics moving out later this year the only airlines that will be using are those I noted earlier in the post. The North Terminal was a great asset back in the day when Soviet airspace was closed but now is a shell of its former self. Probably some interim improvements but I would hold your breath for any major project in the near future.

Quoting Anonms (Reply 12):
Well, given that the only regular carrier there would be CI and XF (according to WIkipedia, but the maps on ANC's website don't have any indication of XF), I don't really see the point in investing in updating the North Terminal. More space for CI passengers transiting to/from JFK, I guess (unless they're not allowed off the plane; that would suck).

XF (Vladivostok Air) is anticipated to resume service this summer. CX was also doing passenger tech stops but they stopped about 2 or 3 months ago. Passengers were allowed off the aircraft while it was being fueled but there was no O&D on CX. CI does, as noted above, some O&D.

GRRTVC


User currently offlineDingDong From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2280 times:

Haven't been paying close attention but is there an approximate time frame for reopening B concourse? I heard sometime this year or next?


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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5831 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2273 times:



Quoting Azncsa4qf744er (Reply 15):
I knew about the ANC JFK but I wasn't sure on the TPE ANC sector. I'm amazed that there's a demand for passenger traffic between the city pair, other than the usual freighter.



Quoting Chugach (Reply 16):
I don't think there's much if any in the way of actual O&D demand. I think it's more CI thinking that if they stop there every day, they might as well pick up a few people to fill up the plane.

Are you kidding? Have you SEEN the north terminal when CI comes in? The line at check-in is so long, it stretches to the furthest entry doors on the north end!
They move A LOT of people through here, which surprises me as much as it apparently does you.

Quoting Chugach (Reply 11):
2. Who's ground handling AC now? UA did AC's ramp and customer service work here previously, and as we all know UA is no longer in town.

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd guess NAAS. But Pegasus might get it too, considering they somehow got Delta, in the face of this being a Delta Global Services fortress airport.

Quoting Anonms (Reply 12):
Well, given that the only regular carrier there would be CI and XF

Don't forget Eva and JAL. Eva drops in a 777-3ER in the wee hours sometimes, and JAL does charters both summer and winter these days!
And there's always the odd United or American 777 dropping in with medical or mechanical... or a Continental 777 coming in with a crazed senior in BusinessFirst who is throwing her dentures at people...


User currently offlineGRRTVC From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 275 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2273 times:



Quoting DingDong (Reply 18):
Haven't been paying close attention but is there an approximate time frame for reopening B concourse? I heard sometime this year or next?

Plans are for late this year.


User currently offlineAnonms From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 620 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2162 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 19):
Are you kidding? Have you SEEN the north terminal when CI comes in? The line at check-in is so long, it stretches to the furthest entry doors on the north end!
They move A LOT of people through here, which surprises me as much as it apparently does you.

If that's the case, I guess CI is ANC's only convenient link to Asia, then, because I highly doubt the majority of those people are trying to get to Taiwan.



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User currently offlineCws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1176 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2107 times:



Quoting GRRTVC (Reply 17):
1. A will still have Frontier, Hageland, and Grant operating from the lower level. Between the B & C concourses there will be little need for A-Concourse for mainline service; at least in the near future. Plus with the new baggage system serving B the users will be better off using the new system.

Pardon my ignorance, but will the "L" gates still be used? As far as I can tell, Era and PenAir, with all of their flights, each use only 1 gate, while Frontier Flying Svc and Grant each use only 1 of the lower-A gates, leaving some vacant. Is there any talk of moving the L1/2 operations to the A concourse? According to the terminal map L1/2 seem to be in the middle of the baggage claim area.



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User currently offlineGRRTVC From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 275 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2019 times:



Quoting Cws818 (Reply 22):
Pardon my ignorance, but will the "L" gates still be used? As far as I can tell, Era and PenAir, with all of their flights, each use only 1 gate, while Frontier Flying Svc and Grant each use only 1 of the lower-A gates, leaving some vacant. Is there any talk of moving the L1/2 operations to the A concourse? According to the terminal map L1/2 seem to be in the middle of the baggage claim area.

Era and PenAir will will remain where they are currently.

GS and 2F will continue to use the lower level A gates.


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