TimeToFly From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 26 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2438 times:
According to Manuel Borja Chico, MX's CEO, the airline will have a new regional partner operating CRJ-200. The regional carrier will be called Mexicana Inter and will be based in GDL with the inetntion of feeding the main carrier and Click's operations. Info is available only in Spanish in http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/574391.html
Juventus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2418 times:
I wonder if those are ALMA's CRJs??? If they are the must have gotten those airplanes fairly cheaply.
So I'm confused, why start this new "Mexicana Inter" airline, when they have Aeromar already feeding them. Why not just buy and give those CRJs to Aeromar????
LH498 From Germany, joined May 2007, 166 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2386 times:
Interesting move, given the dark clouds on the horizon
It is in fact Alma's rebirth as a MX subsidiary.
In todays Reforma there is a note about this, stating that Alma's personal will be in charge of operations.
They will offer flights from GDL to Puerto Vallarta, Tampico, Veracruz, Torreón, Monterrey and Mazatlán.
Quoting Juventus (Reply 1): So I'm confused, why start this new "Mexicana Inter" airline, when they have Aeromar already feeding them. Why not just buy and give those CRJs to Aeromar????
Perhaps Aeromar feeding in MEX and Mexican Inter only in GDL, but you're right why two airlines if it can be done with one. Although both fleets, by being so different, can offer great flexibility for future regional feeder traffic, even if they operate from the same airport.
What will be the role of Click and Inter be?? There could be some conflicts
TimeToFly From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 26 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2382 times:
Quoting Juventus (Reply 1): I wonder if those are ALMA's CRJs??? If they are the must have gotten those airplanes fairly cheaply
It seems that is actually the case. Borja Chico even said that Mexicana Inter would hire 500 former employees of ALMA -I guess, most of them living in GDL- for Mexicana Inter's startup.
This is an interesting move. It seems MX is trying to expand way more than advisable in times of economic hardship.
Juventus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2361 times:
Quoting LH498 (Reply 2): Perhaps Aeromar feeding in MEX and Mexican Inter only in GDL, but you're right why two airlines if it can be done with one. Although both fleets, by being so different, can offer great flexibility for future regional feeder traffic, even if they operate from the same airport.
But still, not the best time to start a new airline. Again I diagree with "ALMA's rebirth as Mexicana's Inter". my opinion, put those CRJs under Aeromar's Certificate and brand which is now recognized all over Mexico, and carry on.
But what the hell do I know, I only fly airplanes, he's the business man, I guess he knows what he's doing.
AVIOGENEX From Mexico, joined Mar 2002, 65 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2361 times:
Good move for Mexicana, seems like they´re expanding quite rapidly... although lets see how well their plan goes with Mexicana Inter at GDL now that vivaAerobus is entering the GDL market
AM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1312 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2317 times:
Quoting Juventus (Reply 1): So I'm confused, why start this new "Mexicana Inter" airline, when they have Aeromar already feeding them. Why not just buy and give those CRJs to Aeromar????
That would be somewhat difficult seeing that MX and VW belong to different owners. Also, I think that AM and MX have called off many code share agreements with Aeromar and give the routes to AM Connect and Click.
I have a similar question though: Why not give them to Click and call GDL a Click hub? The nation wide brand recognition is already there. I don't see Mexicana Inter becoming widely known all over the country, plus, wouldn't it cause a certain amount of confusion among travelers trying to book a Mexicana regional flight?
N405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1310 posts, RR: 13 Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2246 times:
Quoting AM744 (Reply 6): Also, I think that AM and MX have called off many code share agreements with Aeromar and give the routes to AM Connect and Click.
MX is keeping a wet lease on some routes with VW, like TAM, MTT, VER, BJX flights 7900, operated by aeromar, sold as MX/QA.
Quoting AM744 (Reply 6): Why not give them to Click and call GDL a Click hub?
QA´s base is in MID, also QA is getting new 717´s for the local routes that MX is leaving them.
The idea of a feeder in the pacific (GDL) will cover the gap left by QA and MX in the PVR/CUL/GDL/MZT market, also it can cover more with the MX brand, not only as QA, despite that some routes will benefit from a lower capacity, MTY-GDL is a very competitve market with smaller jets, VIV will enter that market but has it´s own problems in MTY, and MX can offer a really good product to compete mainly against 5D/AM.
Saludos
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MayaviaERJ190 From Mexico, joined Jan 2008, 233 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2228 times:
Way to go Mexicana, MexicanaClick, and now MexicanaInter (back again, obviously their best positioned old brand)!
Small planes for a hard-time small market out of Hub#2, wow! Save the A320 family fleet and move it to high yield international business routes. GDL T2 could now become all MX and then all 1W! Way to go for Guadalajara too as it will be hosting the 2011 Pan Am Games!
In bad times you buy and invest. If you all could get the wide picture, this is the best master chessboard move I've ever seen from Mexicana.
Ghost, next time you call out a surprise like this one, please precede it with a capitalized BIG.
Will this be the very first time of a Mexican Airline commanding a fleet of over 100?, or is AeroMexico now somewhere around 101?
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 5133 posts, RR: 50 Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 days ago) and read 2070 times:
Quoting AM744 (Reply 6): Why not give them to Click and call GDL a Click hub? The nation wide brand recognition is already there. I don't see Mexicana Inter becoming widely known all over the country, plus, wouldn't it cause a certain amount of confusion among travelers trying to book a Mexicana regional flight?
I believe that having a feeder service based out of GDL is a very good idea, but I also have to wonder why MX will now have three separate brands. I am no expert but I share AM744's thought that maybe it would have been a good idea to incorporate these planes and these routes to Click rather than create and all new brand.
Ghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 4638 posts, RR: 55 Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1992 times:
Quoting LH498 (Reply 2): What will be the role of Click and Inter be?? There could be some conflicts
Mexicana Click: focused for Mexico
Mexicana Inter: focused to be a Regional & Feeder
Inter will take the gap left by ALMA, AeroCalifornia and Avolar and they will be based at GDL. The Mexican Pacific Coast is virgin at the moment. And AM Connect flights is not enough to cover all the demand or again, as a good monopoly they charge what they want. I'm not judging AM, I would do it myself, charge as high as possible when you have no competition or when you're the very best doing something.
Quoting AM744 (Reply 6): That would be somewhat difficult seeing that MX and VW belong to different owners.
Keep an eye on Mexicana... MORE things are about to come. As VW has kept some MX flights, it might be possible seeing ATR42s under MX color scheme but flown by Aeromar.
Quoting MayaviaERJ190 (Reply 8): In bad times you buy and invest. If you all could get the wide picture, this is the best master chessboard move I've ever seen from Mexicana.
Totally!! Buy cheap and make the most out of the whole scenario. MX is doing that... Bombardier leasing REAL CHEAP versus and Embraer or A318 at this time. ALMA left pilots, mechanics, f/a's, and many more people with the experience of at least 2 years in this equipments.
I don't like the CRJ's HIGH CASM but what the hell... hope they MX doesn't mess it up and now how to handle well the costs of operating this small machines.
Quoting MayaviaERJ190 (Reply 8): Ghost, next time you call out a surprise like this one, please precede it with a capitalized BIG.
LOL hahaha!!! I wanted to tell you more but I couldn't. I'm sorry I've lower my posting quality and participation's at a.net but I have to give priority to APM Group forum, cause APM is also going for more in 2009 and 2010, we are also launching a few projects .
I also cannot post spanish or official press releases in here, so be confident, that fresh news are at APM Group first now.
Quoting MayaviaERJ190 (Reply 8): Will this be the very first time of a Mexican Airline commanding a fleet of over 100?, or is AeroMexico now somewhere around 101?
AM is right now standing at 97 with AM, Connect and Travel. At some point in 2008, AM reached 108 aircrafts. Not long ago, with the Saab 340s and more MD80s at AMX. AM is only expecting one more B767 which will make 98 plus more jets at Connect at any time they'll be back over 100 frames.
MX has right now 90 active frames plus 3 A319s to be delivered this year... plus possible of a few more widebodies plus the 13 CRJ's 200s on this new start-up, that could make 105-110 active frames by December of 2009.
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 10): I am no expert but I share AM744's thought that maybe it would have been a good idea to incorporate these planes and these routes to Click rather than create and all new brand.
Seems MX will lower costs by eliminating unions in this new airline.
g77
Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
Fly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1776 posts, RR: 23 Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1975 times:
Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 11): Seems MX will lower costs by eliminating unions in this new airline.
Talking about both ASPA (pilots) and ASSA (F/A's) or just the later? Both of which are really strong and might prevent an outsider union get their hands on the new project. From my perspective at least the pilots should come from ASPA which has also agreed to have substancially lower benefits and costs on some airlines (i.e AMConnect, AMTravel and the most rookie group of pilots at Mexicana).
RM
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Juventus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1956 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 10): I believe that having a feeder service based out of GDL is a very good idea, but I also have to wonder why MX will now have three separate brands. I am no expert but I share AM744's thought that maybe it would have been a good idea to incorporate these planes and these routes to Click rather than create and all new brand.
agree
That was what I was trying to say, why the three separate brands, Mexicana, Click and now Inter??? maybe putting those CRJs on Aeromear's certificate as I suggested is not logical seing as they're owned by diferent companies, but definetly adding them to Click.
Oh well it is what it is, let's wish Mexicana good luck on this new venture. I suppose the livery will be same as MX and Click???
Juventus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1920 times:
Also I found this article, Mexicana's CEO made it clear the company "is not interested nor looking to merge or adquire any other airline". apparently he wants Mexicana to go at it alone and unattached..With this new start up, MX will probably be the largest and best positioned airline in Mexico
Ghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 4638 posts, RR: 55 Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1782 times:
Quoting Fly727 (Reply 12): Talking about both ASPA (pilots) and ASSA (F/A's) or just the later?
Hey, how is it going FlyE145 capt???
I was referring to both.
Quoting Fly727 (Reply 12): From my perspective at least the pilots should come from ASPA which has also agreed to have substancially lower benefits and costs on some airlines (i.e AMConnect, AMTravel and the most rookie group of pilots at Mexicana).
Agree, well, both, ASPA and ASSA should try to gain the contract but with lower benefits.
Happy landings my friend!
g77
Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
LH498 From Germany, joined May 2007, 166 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1601 times:
Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 11): Bombardier leasing REAL CHEAP versus and Embraer or A318 at this time. ALMA left pilots, mechanics, f/a's, and many more people with the experience of at least 2 years in this equipments.
Didn't Alma own those airplanes?? (If not, which of the new start-ups owned its airplanes?)
AM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1312 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1537 times:
Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 11): I also cannot post spanish or official press releases in here, so be confident, that fresh news are at APM Group first now.
Great job you are doing there guys. I've taken a look in the past few days and it's looking good.
Plairbus From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 311 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1500 times:
I "love" Mexicana, but I think they are doing mistakes, Me like a coustomer right now, I much prefer Aeromexico. They have brand new 737-700 and 800 for the high density flights, were mexicana use a similar product, but most of the 320 are very old and there is a diffrence between flying an 15 or 18 years old 320 or a new 737.
And also for the flights you do not need a 737 they use the EMB 145 and 190 and both are great aircraft, I do not like turbo prop, and I will never fly with them.
I had a trip this month: CUN-MEX-VER-MEX-CUN with Aeromexico and I have to say what a positive surprise. Nice Crew on all flights, very nice crew!!! Very nice people. Nice plane and yes much better than mexicana. Before I was 100% Mexicana, but since I am SKYteam Elite i Choice Aermexico, and I will fly them in the future.
Juventus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1398 times:
Mexicana just announced they're taking ex-Midwest's 25 717s, and they're already looking for a replacement for when the leases expire. looks like bombardier's CSeries will be the most likely replacement.
Now MX taking these 13 CRJs its starting to make more sence. Mexicana is going Bombardier
Ghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 4638 posts, RR: 55 Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1393 times:
Quoting AM744 (Reply 17): Great job you are doing there guys. I've taken a look in the past few days and it's looking good.
Thanks a lot AM744! We're working hard! We have a great team and we will try to make it the best website, updates are to come and many more things at APM's site!
Out from 29, the French registered, which are 10 are the old ones, the rest are in good shape. The 20 A319s and 10 A318s are new.
Have you tried Click? Don't compare QA with AM. QA is focused to compete with Interjet and Volaris and they got a superb service and leg room.
More over, for intra Mexico there's no more MXA, only for TIJ, MZT, GDL, MTY and CUN, the rest is done with Click and will continue to and now with Boeing 717s, same cabin as the B737NG with 100 seats, one class and lots of leg room.
AM service of course is superior in so many ways if compared to Americans or even LH intra Europe. I've taken LH from FRA to FCO many times and I once even got A340 on FCO-FRA but service in Mexico with MX and AM is way better.
g77
Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
Indeed, it seems they will hire C4´s F/A and Pilots, no union here.
Quoting LH498 (Reply 16): Didn't Alma own those airplanes??
Several, actually 2 are parked here at MTY, 1 will leave to MEX next week for paint and major service, i´ll get some pictures tomorrow and get the rego.
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 10): it would have been a good idea to incorporate these planes and these routes to Click rather than create and all new brand.
Lower cost´s, new investments, no "old" riks , also MX will save a lot of money as their ground staff will be taking care of those flights, the only new staff will be crew´s, also maintenance staff will be an advantage.
Saludos
Life is what happens when you have other plans.....
N405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1310 posts, RR: 13 Reply 22, posted (12 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 879 times:
Just to add about this smart move by MX, as any "new" airline in the market, Inter will get the 2 year "Tax Support" by the goverment, this could be very useful for the new routes and the airline, as it can give very hard competence in the regional market, specially against 5D.
Saludos
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