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UA SFO-SYD-SFO Downgraded To 777  
User currently offlineSkytony From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 145 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 19689 times:

Hello,

I just wanted to read reaction to the news that United's SFO-SYD service will be downgraded to 777 XP configuration from the 747-400 OC.


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User currently offlineRaffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 19656 times:

The 777 is more than capable of operating the route and if that is the only aircraft they can operate whilst making a profit, then good on them. We would rather have the route operating with a 777 than no route at all.


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User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 19611 times:

I think it'll be great to see a UA 777 in SYD on a regular basis.  Smile

User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 19552 times:

Usually you complain at a downgrade, but not at this one!

User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 19504 times:

Are there any ETOPS limit to a B777 operating to SYD? Does UA have ETOPS 207 on its T7 fleet.


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User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3181 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 19471 times:

Do the 747's have PTV's in Y yet? If not, the 777 is much better for the passenger experience!


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User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3504 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 19287 times:
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I do not consider the 777 as a downgrade.It's a great plane and it will be more profitable than the 744.Wise move from UA


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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 19226 times:

With 3 carriers now operating the T7 between the US and Australia, the traditional thinking about twins over the S. Pacific is falling.

While the 777 is a newer plane and lots of people prefer it, UA is reducing capacity just as competition increases.


User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 19223 times:

what UA's 777 be more weight restricted out of SFO than their 744's?

User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5053 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 19171 times:



Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 4):
Are there any ETOPS limit to a B777 operating to SYD?

No . The only part of the S.Pacific that exceeds ETOPS180 is between LAX-PPT

Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 8):
what UA's 777 be more weight restricted out of SFO than their 744's?

Can someone refresh my memory on which MTOW versions of the 777 UA operate.


User currently offlineFun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 19126 times:

Certainly and upgrade from an economy class passenger perspective, but the new lie flat business and first seats are not on the route so that's a downgrade.

With V Australia and Delta entering the market, and the economic downturn, prices for business class has plummeted. Prior $12-16k. Now search any website and you'll see $5,600 (UA) to $9000 (DL). UA's move allows them to put a premier First/Business aircraft on a route that might fill it up. I bet it stays 777.


User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 19100 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 7):
While the 777 is a newer plane and lots of people prefer it, UA is reducing capacity just as competition increases.

& that mkaes perfect sense !!!

QF unfortunately can'

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 7):
While the 777 is a newer plane and lots of people prefer it, UA is reducing capacity just as competition increases.

& that makes perfect sense.

AIRLINE MANAGEMENT 101 - don't use too big an aircraft on a route or you'll end up dumping some seats, which in turn might make another carrier do same & hey presto u have a price war !!!

QF is caught between a rock & a hard place.

It can't downgrade it's 744's on BNE-SYD-MEL/LAX or SYD/SFO as it doesn't have any smaller aircraft that can do routes nonstop.

Only option is to reduce frequency - not good at somewhere like BNE/LAX where already the daily has not been daily for quite a few weeks (eg. no BNE/LAX 24DEC, 31DEC & other dates).

Once u lose daily service start losing the business types to other carriers, altho until 8APR no other nonstops, but then VA finally starts.

Also busines types who are loyal to QF but wnt to avoid awful SYD like the plague, will look at NZ via AKL. Via AKL much better options than via SYD.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 19056 times:



Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 11):
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 7):
While the 777 is a newer plane and lots of people prefer it, UA is reducing capacity just as competition increases.

& that makes perfect sense.

AIRLINE MANAGEMENT 101 - don't use too big an aircraft on a route or you'll end up dumping some seats, which in turn might make another carrier do same & hey presto u have a price war !!!

but the cost comes in market share for UA and market share translates into pricing power. QF is going to stay put on capacity because it wants to remain the market leader - and it has the financial strength to stick it out. For UA, they are allowing the new entrants to command a much higher percentage of the market than they would have if UA retained all 744 service.

there were those who predicted that UA was the most vulnerable player in Australia and given the reduction of seats and the fares, UA is likely to take a big hit in revenue to the S. Pacific which will affect its entire Pacific operation.


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3700 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 19016 times:



Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 3):
Usually you complain at a downgrade, but not at this one!

Downgrade implies replacing something with something that's perceived to be worse. I don't know that a 777 is so much of a downgrade as it is a downgauge.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 19008 times:

while the 777 is a higher quality airplane for UA, remember that every other carrier between the US and OZ is still using airpllanes that are much newer and more capable.

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8425 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 18904 times:
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Logical step going into the slower winter Australian season. Wher is United getting the two 777 it will need for this ?

User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 18796 times:

Just my opinion, but I for one consider it a downgrade. I've been in Y on the 744 and 777, and except for a small PTV with an average selection of videos, there's not much of a difference. I mean we're not talking about a spanking new 77L here with new seats in Y and AVOD. Give me a ride on the 744 any day of the week. And this is especially true if you are in C or F. I realize that UA has to do what it has to do to remain competitive on the route with QF, but I never like to see 747's get replaced by anything. Call me old fashioned, I guess.

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31110 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 18619 times:
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Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 8):
what UA's 777 be more weight restricted out of SFO than their 744's?

It may not be an issue with whatever passenger and/or belly loads UA is seeing on the route.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17659 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 18619 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 14):
while the 777 is a higher quality airplane for UA, remember that every other carrier between the US and OZ is still using airpllanes that are much newer and more capable.

DL probably has the highest CASM aircraft in the market



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 18592 times:

It makes sense - in a downturn it is easy to have too much capacity - there are capacity cuts everywhere. UA's 744 does not have a modern enough Y product to really be competitive here anymore - and they aren't really making much of an investment into the 747s. Plus, with two new airlines joining the US-oz market and AC taking the Canada market, it only makes sense.

I'm glad. The 777 is a much nicer bird than UA's 744s at the moment.

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 5):
Reply 5, posted Thu Feb 5 2009 06:17:41 your local time (2 hours 55 minutes 19 secs ago) and read 809 times:

Do the 747's have PTV's in Y yet? If not, the 777 is much better for the passenger experience!

Sure is! PTV in Y, roomy, airy, nice and pleasant. They'll be state of the industry when the upgrades are done too!

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 7):
With 3 carriers now operating the T7 between the US and Australia, the traditional thinking about twins over the S. Pacific is falling.

3 and soon 4.

The notion about needing 4 engines is dated. An ETOPS bird has never gone down due to simultaneous and independent failure of both engines. It's much more likely that any issue that would cause both engines to shut down would be systemic, such that a 4 engine aircraft would be just as likely to have it (fuel or electronic issues, etc).

We've got Air Canada, V Australia, Delta, and now UA that are going to fly to OZ on the mighty 777 - additionally, Air New Zealand does AKL-SFO on the 777 and Qantas sometimes operates AKL-LAX with the A332.

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 9):
Can someone refresh my memory on which MTOW versions of the 777 UA operate.

UA's 77E's are 640k MTOW (lower than the max available 656k) and are powered by 90,000lb class PW4090 engines.

Before someone says anything - yes, UA's 77E's can do this route without restrictions. No, they do not have down-rated engines. In fact, UA could (and may, looking at their new portfolio of 77E routes and how long they are) have some or all of their 77E's paper-uprated to 656k MTOW. KE and OZ both have PW4090 powered 77E's which are 656k MTOW.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31110 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 18587 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 20):
DL probably has the highest CASM aircraft in the market

A 777-200LR will have lower CASM then a 777-200ER on that mission...


User currently offlineLH417AF025 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 18445 times:

is this being done so that a 744 can have the new interiors fitted?

User currently offlineDCAjet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 18318 times:



Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 9):
No . The only part of the S.Pacific that exceeds ETOPS180 is between LAX-PPT

And EZE-SYD, EZE-AKL and SCL-AKL.

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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6006 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 18256 times:

So any news on which route the 777 and 744 are swapping?


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17659 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 18223 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 21):
A 777-200LR will have lower CASM then a 777-200ER on that mission...

How so?



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25 Stitch : It's more efficient. Somebody posted a long treatise explaining how it was so.
26 LAXintl : Yes the proper term is indeed downgauge. I guess it must be result of American slang or something that way too many a.net posters improperly refer to
27 United1 : Its more efficient to use on a LR on routes over 5500 miles or so that's about when you have to start trading payload for range on the ER. Of course
28 MaverickM11 : Any idea where? Which has lower ownership costs--UA post BK 772s or DL new build 77Ls?
29 Olympic472 : It is quite obvious that UA is running lean but efficiently. They are rotating their aircraft to match seasonal loads. The SYD 744 will probably go ba
30 United1 : I would have to know how much UA and DL paid for their 777s to tell you that as well as what amount, if any, was left on the mortgage. If I had to of
31 Kiwiandrew : I am surprised that UAs older PW powered 777s actually have the performance for this sector - they must be pretty marginal in terms of payload/range ,
32 ADent : What are the seating capacities on the relevant UA 747 and 777 models?
33 Jacobin777 : Regardless, for UA, I think it will be the best plane... Besides QF, UA is the only game in town for that route. Adjusting amount of seats is a smart
34 RwSEA : Have you seen the fares to Australia lately? Usually it's hard to find a roundtrip to SYD for less than $1,500 US from the west coast. This spring I'
35 WorldTraveler : in addition to the comments about a newer aircraft having lower CASM in part due to the warranty on the aircraft, the LR and VA's 773ERs have much mo
36 LACA773 : This is a good thing for UA, not just financially but competitively. Yes. Their 744 are ancient and way behind the times. There's no comparrison to th
37 Jacobin777 : 1-Because of the amount of pax (baggage), the A380 isn't going to do too well on pax+cargo. 2-Cargo the past number of months has taken a huge hit wo
38 United1 : Considering that DLs and UAs (and presumably QFs) cargo has been down double digits lately I'm not sure that its going to make that big of a differen
39 WorldTraveler : and the assumption is that it will remain down for years? no, it won't. An airplane is a 20 year plus investment and int'l routes are developed with
40 Trojanclipper : I agree...Once UA upgrades the premium interiors, it won't be a downgrade. NZ occasionally operates a 777 on the route for special occasions (i.e. las
41 Trojanclipper : When is this downguage scheduled? I am still seeing a 744 through the end of the year. Maybe the downgauge isn't loaded in the system yet.
42 Jacobin777 : Of course it won't, and while I know not all routes make money all year round (some routes are even consistent money losers) carriers can't afford to
43 RwSEA : We'll see how these others new entrants do. LAX-SYD might be highly profitable in good economic times - although evidence suggests otherwise - but th
44 LAXintl : A few points to add. -UA 777 are more premium configuration birds then the post conversion IPTE 744s which have heavier economy cabin emphasis. With O
45 YULWinterSkies : Except that QF does fill up on these routes, otherwise they would not be indroducing the A380...
46 Panam330 : Well, I'm surprised nobody asked where the 744 was going. I think this is a great move, especially from a Y pax perspective. Now you have your own TV,
47 Jacobin777 : One thing UA should do is add power ports in both Y and Y+. It makes a huge difference to pax, especially those who are flying >6 hours and who bring
48 WorldTraveler : I'm sure that's true.... and I have looked at the numbers. putting 2 full passenger decks on top of one cargo deck obviously changes the ability to c
49 REALDEAL : typo/deletion ... should have said QF unfortuntunately can't downgrade 744 on say BNE/LAX (they don't have any smaller aircraft that can do it nonsto
50 YVR1968 : I wouldn't fly UA transpacific ever again, or any longhaul for that matter. 2 of my worst flights ever. That was 3 years ago, and I am sure their prod
51 SFOHORIZON : Ummm? They do? None of their 777s are upgraded with the new business class. And their IFE entertainment in the back is probably the oldest, most prim
52 Viscount724 : I make the 3 current/fututre US-Australia 777 operators as UA, V-Australia and DL. Who is the 4th 777 operator from the US? Or do mean North America
53 REALDEAL : thinking about it, it's all about reducing capacity to survive or make less of a loss per flight. (think all carriers need to reduce capacity & still
54 Sydscott : If they can't fill the plane profitably everyday then it makes sense to cut the service back. In these times of recession, when demand for premium cl
55 YVR1968 : And a rather nasty toilet. What a conundrum to be in. To make it a decent airport would require knocking the whole thing down and like that is going
56 SunriseValley : Below is a quote of the treatise by Widebodyphotog that Stitch refers to: Quote......Without spewing out strings of calculations and rather obscure d
57 REALDEAL : Yes but for busines types, go non-daily is a big deal. Don't u think NZ would be crowing if QF announced quietly that BNE/LAX/BNE would no longer be
58 SunriseValley : Oops..my bad ! Overlooked these ! Thanks for the correction DCAjet.
59 LAXintl : Why. Hawaii-Australia travel is not only small, its primary lesiure. Anyhow why would anyone want to detour via Hawaii, when there are ever more main
60 FL787 : Did I miss the original announcement? When does the change occur?
61 REALDEAL : because airlines fly there. It's a me too scenario. R we talking Disneyland ? Pretty awful place. The worst of Americanisms. 2. again, me too. If I h
62 Philly65 : Just curious as to the source of this news. When will it occur? Seasonal capacity shift? Sorry haven't read all the replies.
63 Viscount724 : To many US points, AC SYD-YVR nonstops aren't much further. SYD-YVR-ORD is only 270nm further than SYD-LAX-ORD, and you pre-clear US customs/immigrat
64 WorldTraveler : HNL has been shown time and time again to be an unsuitable gateway to Australia because 1. it is a high volume destination from the US which books fa
65 LAXintl : Its not a me too scenario. The reason airlines fly to Los Angeles over lets say San Francisco is because of demand. If anyhing this UA move shows tha
66 MSYtristar : Yeah, it's not that great....it was in the late 90's, not 2009. Hopefully UA will speed up the refurbishment process for the T7, at the very least. S
67 WorldTraveler : the reason why UA is reducing its SFO capacity to OZ is because it is not a competitive market and they are trying to limit their exposure to the low
68 ADent : From seatguru it looks like 747: 12F 52C 70Y+ 240Y 777: 10F 45C 84Y+ 114Y So mainly a loss of 112 Y/Y+, plus a loss of 2F and 7C.
69 MSYtristar : Yeah, that's why I said it's mostly a psychological thing for me. Would I fly a 777 to Australia? Sure. But I'd look for a 747/380, something along t
70 LAXintl : Thanks for the insight. What UA they are doing is reducing overall capacity - changing its mix of seats they offer to a heavier premium mix, and proj
71 WorldTraveler : you do realize that there is virtually no (perhaps none if you look at local traffic rights) tri or quad jets flying between the US and Hawaii which
72 ATTart : So, I am curious when the switch is suppose to happen. The, people I have spoke too at United know nothing about it.
73 MSYtristar : I was talking specifically about the U.S-Australia route.
74 Airbazar : Certainly but one thing is obvious: UA can't fill a daily 744 from one of its hubs and that is bad news no matter how you slice it. To me this is jus
75 FlyDreamliner : Well, the cause of that is still pending, but my understanding is that it is just as likely to be a control issue as anything. I don't think anyone s
76 Jacobin777 : Hence my comments......the A380 is a "people hauler" and for many carriers such as SQ and EK which have a separate cargo dept, it is doing well for t
77 LAXintl : March 29th Obviously not in the know.
78 LAXintl : There are a few changes across the system, however In this case, SFO-PEK upgauges to 744.
79 REALDEAL : yep makes lots of sense.
80 MSYtristar : At least they are still using the airplane. Exactly, that's why I was just talking about my personal preference. I'm well aware that most people don'
81 ATTart : I have spoke with my supervisor and friends who put the crew lines together.. They, are not aware of the change..
82 Sydscott : Quite frankly no becuase those some business types are probably on Corporate contracts with Headquarters in MEL or SYD. So they'd be told to fly to o
83 LAXintl : The March lines are not out yet, and anyhow are built from what is in the computer. The changes have not been loaded in the system yet. However I assu
84 ATTart : Oh, crap.. My, friends base there are not going to be happy with that.. With, the reduce crew on the 777. They, won't be able to hold SYD any longer.
85 FlyDreamliner : Fair enough - I'm a bit of a 777 nut myself, so it's all good. Right now, yes - the 77W would be the perfect aircraft for UA, and seemingly almost ev
86 WorldTraveler : but corporate customers aren't immune to competition. airlines win corporate business because of being competitive. and even if the pricing environme
87 YVR1968 : Yes, but being the premiere West Coast gateway to the USA, the greatest country in the world......, it is downright horrible. Will definitely avoid i
88 GARUDAROD : The A380 is horrible for cargo, especially on the LAX-SYD route. It is limited to only 500kgs or less on each flight. This comes from a highly respect
89 Sydscott : Well it depends what the growth projections are. There was an interview here last night with an economist that is advising Obama and he said that a r
90 United Airline : Is this a seasonal move? Or will this last forever? Wonder when/if they will place the B 747-400 on SFO-SYD once again Where will they place the two B
91 Cws818 : Well, which one is it? Is UA reducing capacity in the face of new competition, or is UA reducing capacity in what "is not a competitive market"? If i
92 WorldTraveler : no we are not including NW because the same mgmt team did not make the same decisions regarding LAX and NRT-SYD. those are stunning stats on the 380'
93 NorthstarBoy : As it stands right now UA pretty much has a monopoly on daily nonstop service between SFO and SYD so i'm not sure where this talk of VA is coming from
94 Viscount724 : Traffic is down worldwide due to the economic meltdown. Why should SFO-SYD be immune? BA has far more empty seats than usual from its hub also, as do
95 Sydscott : That doesn't change that fact that the merged Delta has flown to Australia before. Like it or lump it, it's a fact. Give it time and QF will be daily
96 Viscount724 : I disagree. When airlines merge, one airline disappears. Air Canada merged with Canadian Airlines. CP served BKK and MNL at one time but suspended se
97 United1 : Thanks for the information, upgauging PEK makes since since China is one of the few markets where UA hasn't seen much of a decline. Not at all, UA is
98 Mariner : I agree. Going in to southern winter. That makes sense. mariner
99 AussieItaliano : I live in L.A., and I love this city, but I can't stand LAX. You don't have to love LAX to love L.A. Well, let's be fair. After 9/11/01, the SFO-SYD
100 Redcenterflyer : Just flew SYD-SFO in Jan, and really enjoyed the new business seats, and to me, the upgrade in crew attitudes and service. Flying 4 more times this ye
101 Jacobin777 : That's incorrect. If they weren't making money, they might as well have ended the route-or cut frequency. UA is good at doing that lately. Shifting t
102 SurfandSnow : I'm somewhat surprised UA is downgrading SFO and not LAX. I would think UA has a much more loyal following in San Francisco than LA, not to mention th
103 QF108 : So is this a full change coming up at SYD as well, currently UA840 operates as the 744 SYD-MEL (although I understand they do sometimes change 744's
104 UnitedTristar : Agreed....where is the source for this? whats the source? when will this be loaded....according to the online agencies (orbits, travelocity) its a 74
105 WorldTraveler : UA is reducing capacity in SFO, its stronger market and the one where it is not facing competition while keeping capacity up in LAX where the game is
106 Joeljack : If you still wanted to compare, you could fly SFO-LAX-SYD. Really wouldn't add that much time, plus it would get you an extra few miles for elite sta
107 Ocracoke : I know that you mean regularly scheduled flights, but since you capatalized NEVER, I do have to point out that DL metal has indeed been in Australia.
108 Jacobin777 : A race to the "bottom" won't help anyone and will only thrash yields. UA is established and will fight hard to keep it. I have no problems with DL wa
109 WorldTraveler : interesting.. I did not know. But if it was for testing, I'm sure there were no passengers onboard. no one said it is a race to the bottom. DL and VA
110 Jacobin777 : Of course no one is saying there should be one..but with 3-5 carriers on the route, its going in that direction. Right now, both DL and VA have to pr
111 RJpieces : How so (in terms of Y)? Economy seats will be getting AVOD? Just on the 777s and not the 767s/747s? What is the timeline for this? They don't have an
112 Jacobin777 : Not according to seatguru.com they don't. Too bad, as it would make it a much better product.
113 Transpac787 : Not a dumb question. UA has several 777 sub-fleets. The XP is the model with bunkrooms for both pilots and FA's. They are the birds always scheduled
114 Jacobin777 : Thanks for the info. . Interesting they are adding Y at the expense of F and C..... ..do you have the breakdown between Y and Y+?
115 United1 : I haven't seen the seat map for the 3*3*3 plan yet however from what I was told Y will be about the same size as in the current configuration with an
116 ANstar : It will be interesting to see how it pans out. The majority of passengers on this route are Ex Australia so that would naturally give the Aussie carr
117 Transpac787 : Do you know the tail#'s to be converted?? 204 and 206, I would guess. Then 6x more of the N7XXUA birds??
118 Viscount724 : Personally, I consider carriers with 10-abreast Y class seating on 777s like EK (and AF/KL on 777-300ERs only) to be at the bottom of the barrel.
119 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Interesting.. ...adding extra Y+ seats is a good deal! I find it to be the "Goldilocks" of seating...not too expensive, but good enough seat pitch to
120 REALDEAL : Qantas dumping seats again to many destinations in USA. (see other new thread) This time it's take a kid for free, which probably will mean the busine
121 FlyDreamliner : I would say that on the whole, EK is middle-of-the-road. Their service can be good, but is generally inconsistent. The idea is that their tight-pack
122 Post contains links LAXintl : Here is a good one -- Branson Predicts United (or Delta) Failure on US-Australia Route Full Story; http://business.smh.com.au/business/...n-pacific-ro
123 Smi0006 : I'm not sure how much lower they're cost will be in comparison to the QF A380 fleet the cabin crew are on a lot less money than mainline cabin crew I
124 Jacobin777 : I guess you are right....their "overall services is good' relative to to other carriers, but I do admit its gone down the past 10-12 years when I fir
125 United1 : Exactly...SRB better be careful on making predictions like that the entire Virgin franchise isn't exactly a poster child for financial stability righ
126 FlyDreamliner : Hey, if they can sell more Y seats than they have - and they can't fill all of C and J with full fare passengers (that is to say, people who aren't m
127 ANstar : I doubt VA will eb going anywhere. They are working on closer relationship with United which I'm sure an announcement is imminent. Just go to united.
128 Bjwonline : Will the 777 likely do the MEL tag-on too or will they continue to send the 744?
129 LAXintl : 777 will do the MEL tag.
130 747400sp : A 777 is a good plane, so if the route can not fill a 747 anymore, then a 777 will do. PS: I hope the LAX-SYD-LAX stay a 747.
131 Chase : UA SFO-SYD n/s on the 744 started in what, about July or August 1995?
132 ANstar : I'd also like to know when this is supposed to be announced? I thought the LAX flight currently went to MEL? LAX-SYD-MEL and the SFO flight just did
133 OH-LGA : The flight number does go LAX-SYD-MEL - but usually the airframe in question comes in from SFO as UA863 before operating the SYD-MEL-SYD sectors.
134 LAXintl : This was shared with pilots last week.
135 CX747 : With the information above being shared, does this have more to do with a fleet swap than actual aircraft profitability on certain routes?
136 ANstar : The 777-200er will have a heavy payload restriction on this route - so it must.
137 DocLightning : Why so much? I mean, the 744 flight out of SFO was pretty impressive. We were at over 200 MPH at take-off (I had my GPS out ). When we finally did li
138 Gigneil : Why? UA's might... but most wouldn't. NS
139 Flydreamliner : The 744's have a 7,200nm range (UA's are max possible MTOW), 77E's with 656k MTOW have a roughly 7,800nm range, so at 640k MTOW it is reduced, but no
140 LAXintl : Lets put it this way. United as with any company only has so many chess pieces to play with. So what the company is doing is moving its aircraft reso
141 Lufthansa : There's something you guys are all forgetting here. Nearly 200 000 people a year fly this route via Japan/korea/Tiapei. There's also a great deal of b
142 Jacobin777 : Talk about adding a lot of extra miles to a route... That being said, if I saved that much money, I probably would as well.
143 Ual777 : UAs new C and F blows DL out of the water. DL doesn't even offer F class. When it does begin to recover who says they can't bring the 744 back? Jeez.
144 RJpieces : United's J is nicer than Delta's F/J hybrid?
145 Skytony : I just got word that United has changed plans and its keeping the 747 on the route for now.
146 REALDEAL : UA, NZ, FJ, JL, CI flights to USA all appear to be very empty this month, but that's Feb + people not wanting to spend. Reason I guess QF has adult &
147 Joeljack : That'll make Redcenterflyer happy!
148 LAXintl : Schedules got published internaly on the crew bid packages which came out yesterday. Eff March 29th UA863 SFO-SYD 2228-0725 777XP UA839 SYD-MEL 0905-1
149 REALDEAL : NZ just released AUD$969 return fares SYD/SFO/SYD inc all taxes/charges, all obviously via AKL & sounds like same fare from BNE, OOL & MEL as well. Se
150 Ikramerica : That number seems high. Over 500 people a day do this?
151 6thfreedom : No... it's great publicity... and they'll probably just sell 10 tickets at that price, but in the meantime they got someone like you to puplicize it
152 REALDEAL : over routes 1) SYD/NRT on QF & JL 2) BNE/NRT on JL 3) BNE/TPE on CI & BR 4) SYD/TPE on CI 5) BNE/ICN on KE 6) SYD/ICN on KE & OZ 7) MEL/ICN on KE + p
153 Gigneil : It is... to a fault. You're tall, and depending on the size of your feet, they might not fit quite as well in the UA C class as they do in J on DL, b
154 Jacobin777 : I've been looking for various tickets/fares and I've seen loads of them at < $1000. It's bad out there..
155 REALDEAL : People out there are holding off booking for the dates they want to go. They don't understand that at certain times of year fares will be higher due
156 UAL777 : I believe thats the first time we have agreed on anything Gigneil....lol
157 RJpieces : What about compared to AA's J or CO's BusinessFirst? Nice. What routes have you flown it on? How does it compare to AA's Flagship Suites on the 777?
158 ANstar : Is this still going ahead? I heard on another site it has now been canned?
159 FlyDreamliner : You know, as much of a stink as we are making about this - it could just as easily be that the 77E is filling in here because they are trying to get a
160 Post contains images Ocracoke : That's quite a comparsion....considering of course that the new DL "F/J hybrid" has not even entered service yet and not a single person has taken a
161 Post contains links MaverickM11 : Speaking of which... Lie-Flat to the Land Down Under http://finance.yahoo.com/news/LieFla...the-Land-Down-prnews-14341327.html "United Bolsters its Se
162 ANstar : SYD-SFO is apparently staying as a 747-400 now.
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