TW741 From Liechtenstein, joined Sep 2004, 478 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5641 times:
search didnt bring up anything so I assume not posted so far.
just reborn as "Nuova Alitalia" and obviously still the same old habits - ANPAC "Unione Piloti" started the procedures for the first of a series of strikes by the Alitalia's pilots. The strikes will begin starting from March.
Agreements between CAI and the Pilot Unions are still not signed as "all attempts to restart the negotiations have been refused by the management and this situation is generating a mistrust climate by the pilots, sensed in negative way by the customers that is leaving the Alitalia and AirOne's airplanes".
Full release (in Italian) under the title "Alitalia - CAI: Anpac UP, iniziate le procedure per dare esecuzione ad una serie di giornate di sciopero dei Piloti" on the ANPAC Homepage
Interesting also what ANPAC says: Purtroppo questo clima viene chiaramente percepito in modo negativo anche dalla clientela che, sempre più numerosa, sta abbandonando gli aerei CAI, sia Alitalia che Airone; il coefficiente di riempimento degli aeromobili, punto centrale e qualificante del Piano Industriale CAI, è infatti in caduta libera e si attesta ora intorno al 39% - in short - ANPAC and UP say that the load factor of AZ is only about 39%. People are not "trusting the new AZ and the public is of the opinion that the new AZ is unreliable".
Lufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3224 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5576 times:
So instead of saving AZ... all that may very well happen is Air One, a perfectly functioning company, gets dragged down into this mess as well!
The stupidity of AZ unions never ceases to amaze me. I'm guessing they're figuring now they've absorbed Air One they've got move breathing room... but they've totally forgotten all euroope is full of other high quality viable competitiors!
Well... looks like LH made the right bet by sending their own A319s to milan. How long before we see an LH a346 there? Or even the rumoured 77Ws?
TW741 From Liechtenstein, joined Sep 2004, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5527 times:
Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 2): looks like LH made the right bet by sending their own A319s to milan
and LH Italia pushes extremely a high quality product. According ATW LH Italia and LH/EN have together more than 250 weekly departures out of MXP in summer to European destinations whereas AZ will not even have 100 weekly inner European departures out of MXP (domestic excluded).
And it wouldn't be Italy - LH Italia is obviously fighting for their own AOC but it seems the Italian state "has no rush" issuing one though all necessary steps from LH-Italia have been fulfilled.
Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 1): So we'll go out on strike just to prove Alitalia's really not to be trusted.
you say it - then the ANPAC stated load factor is not 39% but down to 3,9% which means the crew and some nonrevs....
Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5166 times:
If I were running AF/KL, I would pull out my investment in the New Alitalia as fast as I could and let them flounder. A few weeks ago the defenders of Alitalia were defending the new way at the New Alitalia and saying this would not happen as fines would result. Guess what, no fines and it is happening again.. How do they justify this new action?
PGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2834 posts, RR: 45
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5120 times:
That's the Alitalia way to celebrate a new lease on life, I guess. Why this airline has been tolerated by the Italian public and government for so long is beyond me. I hate to see Air One dragged into this pit.
Janmnastami From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 828 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4963 times:
Quoting TW741 (Reply 3): And it wouldn't be Italy - LH Italia is obviously fighting for their own AOC but it seems the Italian state "has no rush" issuing one though all necessary steps from LH-Italia have been fulfilled.
They should obtain it next September or October. For the moment they don't need it, they can fly in Europe and to the USA without an Italian AOC.
DELTA7478 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4835 times:
Don't they have a strike every month now??? It's like a monthly event for them, and the sad thing is that it only hurts them. I can be live that AZ has survive this long, they should of died with PAN AM and Eastern..
Aclco From Italy, joined Jun 2006, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4699 times:
I know, it's really incredible.
And also, just a curiosity for the one who are not italian, here is a photo of a nice F/A during one of the many strikes before the "new" AZ protesting with a loop-rope around the neck..she was on all the national news that day..
yes! she suddenly changed her mind and readily gone at the italian big brother!!
She asked for a holiday period at the "new" AZ entering in the big b.'s house, and after even pretending not to be dismissed from the company!!
I think that's a good representation of AZ's work force..at least a vast majority of..
Airproxx From France, joined Jun 2008, 640 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4347 times:
Quoting TW741 (Thread starter): "all attempts to restart the negotiations have been refused by the management and this situation is generating a mistrust climate by the pilots, sensed in negative way by the customers that is leaving the Alitalia and AirOne's airplanes"
Aah... Ok but I honestly missed the point between unions negotiations and the fact customers are turning away from AZ...! However I can clearly see the link between customers leaving AZ and unjustifiable strikes...!!
In a more serious note, unions, as we define it nowadays, are nothing but the cancer of the airlines... When we'll realise unions have put more people on the dole and made more damages than anything else on our companies, maybe we'll open our eyes... maybe...
If you can meet with triumph and disaster, and treat those two impostors just the same
Art From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3387 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3595 times:
I suspected that the legacy culture of Alitalia might bring down the Air One/Alitalia entity. Now that the market has turned down, I expect it to happen. IMO it is largely a question of how long it will take for Alitalia to burn through its financial injection.
DELTA7478 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2956 times:
[quote=Art,reply=21]Depends on the union. Depends on the country.
I feel sorry for the Air One employees whose future may be ruined by the Alitalia employees who have been taken on board.
You are right Art. al the Unions here in the United States are nothing but Thugs. In Italy I don't
know it that well but you can see the track record of AZ and they have't made any money since the 90's, so how has the union helped the AZ employees ???????