ERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1041 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8686 times:
My brother whome is a CHQ E-175 Captain was forwarded the following email.
Quote: New Rumor
“My good friend a manager there at YX, told me that yesterday the company let go of 60+ management positions. He had a meeting about it as soon as I learn more I will share the info. He said, many different positions have been cut in management, and he believes that YX will go under very shortly and the certificate will then go to RAH, and that was the plan for the RAH's management team to get the certificate and operate bigger metal under the MIDWEST name. No one knows who Republic Airways is, but people know who Midwest Airlines is. Very sad news to many of the employees there who have been let go of, after many years with the company.:”
Smcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2206 posts, RR: 6 Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8378 times:
The part of this that is actually true is 59 managers and their support staff. Most of the 59 are on the Skyway (ground-handling) side and there is officially no more Skyway. Their employees are now full-bred YX employees and everything is ran under 1 umbrella now.
Hey Obama, keep the change! I want my dollar back.
JBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1658 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8118 times:
Quoting Smcmac32msn (Reply 6): The part of this that is actually true is 59 managers and their support staff. Most of the 59 are on the Skyway (ground-handling) side and there is officially no more Skyway. Their employees are now full-bred YX employees and everything is ran under 1 umbrella now.
Precisely. Skyway has more or less become a department of Midwest rather than a separate subsidiary. Considering all that Skyway does now is customer service (ramp, counter/gate, commissary, etc.), it makes no sense to keep that as a separate company with all that overhead.
I saw this one coming as soon as Skyway Airlines flight operations shut down.
It makes sense considering Midwest itself is now smaller than Skyway was ... however, I wouldn't put any faith into the RAH side of the rumor just yet. Besides, wouldn't some of the scope restrictions with RW/RP/S5 prohibit RAH from operating Midwest Airlines as a fourth subsidiary?
I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
IndyWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 241 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8068 times:
I wouldn't put too much into this...I work there myself and have no knowledge of this. Pilots are the worst at rumors, believe me.
I don't think there is anything stopping them from buying another airline. Shuttle was bought to get around scope clauses from CHQ operating the 170's, so what's to stop them from buying Midwest to get around more scope clauses?
ERAUgrad -- your brother doesn't fly for CHQ if he's on the 175. Either Republic or Shuttle. (BTW - there is no designated 175 Captain slot, pilots can go 170 to 175 and back again on any single given day)
DashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 498 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8003 times:
A lot of people don't get this, but pilots and flight attendants are the LAST to know what's going on with a company. They are the first to start BS rumors though (ask me how I know that....:D) Take anything you hear along those lines from said people with a grain of salt.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 3955 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7930 times:
I don't know anything about this rumor, but in my opinion Midwest jumped the shark when they dumped all of those 717s and replaced them with RW flights. Airlines shrinking themselves into profitability rarely works.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
Quickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2373 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7864 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10): I don't know anything about this rumor, but in my opinion Midwest jumped the shark when they dumped all of those 717s and replaced them with RW flights. Airlines shrinking themselves into profitability rarely works.
Absolutely right.
Even more so when you shrink AND hire someone else to do your flying for you. The subcontractor has to make money too and there isn't enough margin to go around for everyone.
N917me From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 704 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7783 times:
Quoting Quickmover (Reply 12): Even more so when you shrink AND hire someone else to do your flying for you. The subcontractor has to make money too and there isn't enough margin to go around for everyone.
Yes, it makes sense to subcontract work out and shrink as you can cut your costs.
If people don't think that companies can shrink to profitability think again.. hundreds of companies are shrinking every day due to the economy. You would be suprised at how little some subcontractors make, but getting the contract and exposure is great.
YX is in the process of obtaining the certificate and negotiating contracts with the unions.
I agree with many posters.. Pilots are GREAT at starting Rumors.. only to be outdone by FA's!
Yes, 59 people were let go due to the size of the airline and combining Skyways operation with Midwest.. do they need 2 HR departments? Do they need 2 Training Departments? 2 Directors of various overlapping departments?
Globalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 175 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7765 times:
I do know that a good friend of mine was head of eCommerce with over 20 years at the Company and that position was eliminated...this was YX side of the house.
Are you referring to the HP 747 service? That was overexpansion and shouldn't have happened. I don't think that undoing mangement mistakes really counts.
CO had to digest all of the acquisitions from degregulation. Their turnaround had less to do with shrinking and more to do with better management. I think I even read an interview with Gordon Bethune where he remarks about the stupidity of shrinking to become profitable.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
USPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2791 posts, RR: 8 Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6997 times:
Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Thread starter): My good friend a manager there at YX, told me that yesterday the company let go of 60+ management positions. He had a meeting about it as soon as I learn more I will share the info. He said, many different positions have been cut in management, and he believes that YX will go under very shortly and the certificate will then go to RAH, and that was the plan for the RAH's management team to get the certificate and operate bigger metal under the MIDWEST name. No one knows who Republic Airways is, but people know who Midwest Airlines is. Very sad news to many of the employees there who have been let go of, after many years with the company.:”
I just spoke with a friend of mine who works for Skyway at PIT and he said they had a meeting about it on Monday. He was told in six months Skyway will be no more and YX will take over. The rest makes sense as well.
Sideflare75 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 542 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6802 times:
Quoting N917me (Reply 13): YX is in the process of obtaining the certificate....
Not any more. That project has come to a screeching halt and all people who were working on it have been let go.
I for one never believe anything that I hear from any member of a flight crew but this rumor has been around for awhile and I for one think that this is what the plan is for the future of Midwest. There will still be a Midwest, it will just be owned by Republic Holdings. Think about it. An all E-Jet fleet, operating the Midwest brand, but with Republic size payscales. I think if that were the case they could compete with anyone in MKE.
All these "restructurings" have just been to set it up for a sale. Just my $.02 though.
Sideflare75 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 542 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4320 times:
Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 22): If true I will not not sell another YX ticket unless explictly told to. I also said that this would probably be the case.
Its true. The one guy in the maintenance department who was only working on this project has been let go. Same with at least one of the pilots who was also working on it. I'm not saying it won't start up again. The word we got was it was being suspended for now. This is mostly due to the pilot/ flight attendant contract negotiations. Midwest is not going to keep working on something and spend money on it until they know it will actually happen.
25 JBo: If RAH can operate E-190/195s on the Midwest certificate without upsetting their scope clauses with RP/RW/S5, this could work. But Midwest won't surv
26 Mke717spotter: Is it too late to get Boeing back on the phone and ask for them back?
27 Sideflare75: Also true. We were told that Republic is going to do a mod sometime this spring to up the payload capacity, but you are right, it sound like the E-17
28 N917me: This should help: To: All Midwest and Skyway Employees Date: February 2, 2009 From: T.E. Hoeksema Subject: Reorganization In the course of our ongoing
29 NWAESC: So does that mean that Skyway employees will all now be YX employees, or is Skyway an "integrated subsidiary" (my term)?
30 USPIT10L: It appears they will become YX employees, as Skyway will cease to exist. I never thought Skyway had much of a future as a service company anyway. I a
31 DLX737200: What does this mean for skyway employees who handle other airlines in other cities? Will it now be XY handling other airlines or will those contracts
32 Cubsrule: A bit off topic, but someone here will know.... what happened to the AL certificate? Did they sell it to someone?
33 Smcmac32msn: Here's a big one..... FL. Didn't they pretty much die out for a year after the ValuJet crash to only come back and now look what they are doing.
34 L4DashTrash: Well just to stir the pot, hoping not to get flamed to bad does any one think, a midwest take over would get republic the 717's to operate in Hawaii f
35 N917me: Yes, after the transition, Skyway employees will become YX employees. Hire dates/pay and benefits are all being worked out now. Same response as abov
36 Smcmac32msn: Here's a question........ does anybody know if the AL IATA code is a particular reference to a certain Milwaukeean in 1977?
37 BMI727: This is going to go one of two ways. They reorganize but dont really change and the airline goes under or they find what's wrong and fix it like Conti
38 USPIT10L: I doubt it's any reference to Al McGuire, the great Marquette basketball coach, as in 1977 AL was Allegheny Airlines. USAir didn't change the code fr
39 TZTriStar500: There is no way RAH or YX could get E190/195s within a year except possibly on the used market since the remaining 9 717s start leaving next year. Gu
40 ERAUgrad02: Its the same company period just like Chevy/Buick/Saturn are all GM. You understand my point in the end. Desmond in ILM,
41 Rjnut: You mean LA for Lew Alcindor , right? or that must have been in 1975.
42 Enilria: It takes a lot of people to manage an airline. There is HR, legal, safety, crew planning, route planning/scheduling, pricing, revenue management, ope
43 Luv2fly: Obviously I "do" know of what I speak or they would not be now letting go of 59+ people. It is painfully clear that they are top heavy and are cuttin
44 Smcmac32msn: No...... AL as in Al McGuire, the coach of the 1977 NCAA National Champion Marquette Warriors. You can see the AL on Jerel's jersey in this picture.
45 JBo: They must have figured they would have been able to get rid of the 328's all quick-like. Other than the corporate costs to keep the airline running,
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