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Colombia Airport Traffic 2008  
User currently offlineClo1973 From Colombia, joined Apr 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3463 times:

Colombia´s airport figures for 2008 (millions of pax) were:

Bogota 10.1 (+4%)
Cali 2.2 (-3%)
Medellin 2.1 (-7%)
Cartagena 1.3 (+4%)
Barranquilla 1.1 (+1%)

Highlights:

- BOG for the first time surpassed the 10 million mark
- CLO traffic remained stagnant in 2008 after two years (06-07) of double digit growth in
int´l traffic
- Traffic in MDE decreased basically due to the use of EOH for national / regional routes. The latter increased pax movement in 19%.

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User currently offlineDanimarroquin From Colombia, joined Jan 2005, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3436 times:

well is good for BAQ and CTG to have theyre numbers up , so they can justify the construcction of the new mega ariport betwen them .

User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3408 times:



Quoting Clo1973 (Thread starter):
BOG for the first time surpassed the 10 million mark

Very happy to see BOG gradually coming up in pursuit of the majors !!!

... Now, how is the expansion work going at BOG... Any insights ???

... Bogotà is a great city that deserves a wonderful, state of the art airport !!!

Best regards



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User currently offlineAvianca707359b From Colombia, joined Oct 2005, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3398 times:



Quoting Danimarroquin (Reply 1):
good for BAQ and CTG

I had no idea that a new airport was even being considered.....

More info here:

http://www.eltiempo.com/colombia/car...barranquilla-y-cartagena_4785529-1

http://www.caracol.com.co/nota.aspx?id=756254



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User currently offlineAvianca707359B From Colombia, joined Oct 2005, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3389 times:



Quoting Danimarroquin (Reply 1):
good for BAQ and CTG to have their numbers up , so they can justify the construction of the new mega-airport between them

Wow, I had no idea this was even being considered!

More info here:

http://www.caracol.com.co/nota.aspx?id=756254

http://www.eltiempo.com/colombia/car...barranquilla-y-cartagena_4785529-1



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8374 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3328 times:
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This would be great not only for teh jobs it would create but for the efficiency of Colombian coastal to Interioir flights, no more duplication of BOG to CTG or BAQ flights, an hourly shuttle could actually fly.


International flights could also benefit, Avianca double daily to Miami and daily to JFK. AA too could, for the third time being the charm, fly back to BAQ as well as satisfy the goal of flying to Cartagena in one flight or two. Regularly scheduled Flights to Madrid could go daily with IB or AV, if AV can do it from Cali why not the new BAQ/CTG gateway. The airport could have efficient 4000 meter runway(s). Uts win-win-win, when can construction start, if I have to fly to the current BAQ airport I am going to think of Angola 20 years ago.


User currently offlineAlianza From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3304 times:

Thanks for posting Clo1973. Good to see the industry developments in Colombia!!

Do you know the pax count at EOH ?


Saludos,


User currently offlineTavong From Colombia, joined Jul 2001, 836 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3301 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 5):
This would be great not only for the jobs it would create but for the efficiency of Colombian coastal to Interioir flights, no more duplication of BOG to CTG or BAQ flights, an hourly shuttle could actually fly.

Not true, what about the jobs lost in CTG and BAQ? I mean, why you build an unneeded airport where you can use that money to enhance the ones you have? they can surely be improved and put at a true international level. That really would create more jobs instead of slashing two airports to create just one in the middle.

About the hourly shuttle, it has been tried before and doesn´t works here, people prefer to fly directly to CTG and BAQ. The main reason is that the time difference between going by air or cab/bus is not that great, and the cost differente doesn´t justify the small time gained, so that service doen´t make any economical sense (don´t forget that if the new airport is built BAQ and CTG would be closed). Maybe the BOG-CTG nd BOG-BAQ routes are somewhat "duplicate", but people prefer to fly that way, and that still makes the "new" (and unneeded airport) unnecessary.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8374 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3230 times:
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The new airport would also develop a lot of farm land, something Colombia has no shortgae of, and drive out whatever undesirable element, guerilla & drugs, for a better integrated mega-city on the Caribean coast. Whatever jobs are lost at the old BAQ airport, why can't Avianca, Aerocivil and other firms have buses for their people.

How many jobs can the passenger terminal at BAQ have, AV has only one major flight daily, Miami, no AA anymore, and Copa is the only foreign airline with an E-195 to Panama. Domestically AV has 6 flights to BOG last time I checked. The major restaurant has closed and the porters have tenure so they are all nearing or o er retirement age.


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4014 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3211 times:

We are talking about consolidating two airports that now have a total 2.4 million passengers per year. If located right in between the two cities, it is going to be about 50 km to each city, right? That is a very big distance.

I've used CTG and even though it has a few issues, it seems adequate for the traffic it is carrying. I have not used BAQ but it seems a very good airport. This project, at this point, seems a waste of government money.

In the long run it may make sense, but the project should not start with the airport. It should start with a rail link between the two cities with a provision for a station in the middle at the future airport site.



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User currently offlineTavong From Colombia, joined Jul 2001, 836 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3188 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 8):
The new airport would also develop a lot of farm land, something Colombia has no shortgae of, and drive out whatever undesirable element, guerilla & drugs, for a better integrated mega-city on the Caribean coast. Whatever jobs are lost at the old BAQ airport, why can't Avianca, Aerocivil and other firms have buses for their people.

You seem to forget the people that works at CTG. No matter what people are "choosen", the main problem is that you will be firing at least the people of one airport, the people are losing jobs with this project. In other hands and how exactly you think a new airport would drive guerrilla and drugs? I don´t understood that argument.


On other hands, i´ve looking for information about distances and other related data, unfortunately i could´t find how may jobs each airport has (directly or indirectly), but the infor i found is that the new iarpot would be at 30mins from Cartagena and 50mins to Barranquilla, airlines surly would have busses for their people (same CLO, MDE) but the cabs to go to these points will be a compleyle rip-off has already is in CLO, MDE, BAQ and BUC.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 8):
AV has only one major flight daily, Miami, no AA anymore, and Copa is the only foreign airline with an E-195 to Panama. Domestically AV has 6 flights to BOG last time I checked

AV has 9 daily fligth BOG-BAQ, 3 MDE-BAQ and 1 CLO-BAQ, P5, has 3 daily BOG-BAQ.

In the CTG side AV has 11 BOG-CTG fligths, 3 MDE-CTG while P5 has 4 BOG-CTG.

I don´t know if this doesn´t sound "major" for you.

IMHO, these "new" airpoirt is uneeded, you can modernize BAQ and CTG with a lot less money and put them at top notch levels. A new airport would be a waste of money.

Gus
SKBO



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3167 times:
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Quoting Clo1973 (Thread starter):
Bogota 10.1 (+4%)
Cali 2.2 (-3%)
Medellin 2.1 (-7%)
Cartagena 1.3 (+4%)
Barranquilla 1.1 (+1%)

Thanks for the info. If we have to create a Latin American ranking, it should be:

1- MEX
2- GRU
3- CGH
4- CUN
5- BSB
6- GIG
7- BOG
8 , 9 ,10 - CCS (?) LIM (?) / GDL (?)



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User currently offlineClo1973 From Colombia, joined Apr 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3156 times:



Quoting Alianza (Reply 6):
Do you know the pax count at EOH ?

Yes I do, aproximatelly 950K pax. in 2008

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 11):
Thanks for the info. If we have to create a Latin American ranking, it should be:

Yes, that is something I want to work in. I do not know if people in other countries can post the pax count for 2008 in its airports. So far I´ve seen the count for Mexico and Brazil. The idea would be to do the Top 30 or 50 for airports in Latam.


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4014 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3118 times:



Quoting Clo1973 (Reply 12):
The idea would be to do the Top 30 or 50 for airports in Latam.

Then you should go after
MEX
GRU
CGH
CUN
BSB
GIG
BOG
CCS
LIM
EZE
GDL
SCL
MTY
SSA
AEP
TIJ
POA
CNF
REC
CWB
UIO
FOR
PTY
SJO
GYE
SDU
MBJ
NAS
CLO
SDQ
SAL
PVR
MDE
SJD
FLN
GUA
BEL
MAO
VIX
HAV
BGI
POS
SXM
KIN
GYN
NAT
VVI
HMO
AUA
CTG
CPQ
MVD
CGB
ANU
CUZ
PMV
MID
CBB
CGR
MGA
CUL
SLZ
BAQ
BJX

I am thinking that for 2008 LIM might have passed CCS because the Peruvian economy was doing so well.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8374 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3046 times:
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Quoting Tavong (Reply 10):
AV has 9 daily fligth BOG-BAQ, 3 MDE-BAQ and 1 CLO-BAQ, P5, has 3 daily BOG-BAQ.

In the CTG side AV has 11 BOG-CTG fligths, 3 MDE-CTG while P5 has 4 BOG-CTG.

Shuttle from BAQ/CTG to BOG, why couldn't it work from one common airport ?


User currently offlineErikgnoha From Venezuela, joined Jun 2006, 214 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3032 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 14):
I am thinking that for 2008 LIM might have passed CCS because the Peruvian economy was doing so well.

CCS had 8.8 million pax with a 7% growth.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3003 times:
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Quoting Clo1973 (Reply 12):
Yes, that is something I want to work in. I do not know if people in other countries can post the pax count for 2008 in its airports. So far I´ve seen the count for Mexico and Brazil. The idea would be to do the Top 30 or 50 for airports in Latam.

I believe we shall have others very shortly.



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User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4014 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3000 times:



Quoting Erikgnoha (Reply 15):
CCS had 8.8 million pax with a 7% growth.

If that is the case then CCS is still larger because FraPort says LIM had 8.3 million.



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User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2869 times:



Quoting Clo1973 (Thread starter):
Colombia´s airport figures for 2008 (millions of pax) were:

Bogota 10.1 (+4%)
Cali 2.2 (-3%)
Medellin 2.1 (-7%)
Cartagena 1.3 (+4%)
Barranquilla 1.1 (+1%)

AM is planning to start MEX-MDE, what do you guys think?

This is the numbered list for better reading:

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 13):

1. MEX
2. GRU
3. CGH
4. CUN
5. BSB
6. GIG
7. BOG
8. CCS
9. LIM
10. EZE
11. GDL
12. SCL
13. MTY
14. SSA
15. AEP
16. TIJ
17. POA
18. CNF
19. REC
20. CWB
21. UIO
22. FOR
23. PTY
24. SJO
25. GYE
26. SDU
27. MBJ
28. NAS
29. CLO
30. SDQ
31. SAL
32. PVR
33. MDE
34. SJD
35. FLN
36. GUA
37. BEL
38. MAO
39. VIX
40. HAV
41. BGI
42. POS
43. SXM
44. KIN
45. GYN
46. NAT
47. VVI
48. HMO
49. AUA
50. CTG
51. CPQ
52. MVD
53. CGB
54. ANU
55. CUZ
56. PMV
57. MID
58. CBB
59. CGR
60. MGA
61. CUL
62. SLZ
63. BAQ
64. BJX

OTOH, how many flights has AV to Spain (MAD, BCN)?

Thanks,

Fyano


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2860 times:



Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 18):
AM is planning to start MEX-MDE, what do you guys think?

MDE had negative numbers because Medellin has 2 airports, and EOH, the domestic/regional airport, grew 19% and has stolen domestic traffic from MDE.

In international passengers, MDE grew 6.8%.

That said, I don't see any logic behind AM's interest in starting MEX-MDE. The market seems extremely thin and I don't see how they plan to make it work.


SA.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8374 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2820 times:
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Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 19):
In international passengers, MDE grew 6.8%.

MDE has really come into its own as a large second force with BOG. Attracting good foreign airlines and potentialy IB from Madrid nonstop. AA generally does double daily to Miami and Avianca does JFK as well as the 757 to Miami.


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2729 times:



Quoting Clo1973 (Thread starter):
Colombia´s airport figures for 2008 (millions of pax) were:

Bogota 10.1 (+4%)
Cali 2.2 (-3%)
Medellin 2.1 (-7%)
Cartagena 1.3 (+4%)
Barranquilla 1.1 (+1%)

Highlights:

- BOG for the first time surpassed the 10 million mark

These figures are incorrect. Did you get them from Aerocivil Origin & Destination statistics by airport? If so, they do not include connecting passengers, which in the case of Bogota add a substancial number to the total.

I would suggest waiting a few days until the official figures are realeased, but I understand that BOG will be 13.4 million pax for 2008, with a growth of 5.1%, making it 4th busiest in LatAm. Jan to Nov 08 pax figues is 12.3m.

We must also remembr that Bogota is top for cargo in LatAm (even if Worldcargo ignore its figures altogether!)

For data up to Nov 08, see http://portal.aerocivil.gov.co/porta...pob_page.show?_docname=6704999.XLS

Data for the full year will be available within days


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2651 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 21):
We must also remembr that Bogota is top for cargo in LatAm (even if Worldcargo ignore its figures altogether!)

I read this morning that SQ Cargo will start 1x weekly BRU-BOG-BRU.......Any info on this?? I'm still a bit incredolous on this..........


777jaah



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2517 times:



Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 18):
how many flights has AV to Spain (MAD, BCN)?

At this time:

AV BOG-MAD 7x weekly with 330.
AV BOG-BCN 4x weekly with 762.
AV BOG-CLO-MAD 6x weekly with 763.

Regards.



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2451 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 19):
MDE had negative numbers because Medellin has 2 airports, and EOH, the domestic/regional airport, grew 19% and has stolen domestic traffic from MDE.

Actually, it turns out that for the full year, MDE han an overall growth of 1.36%. December shows a good trend with a 7.07% growth over the same month of 2007.

If we take the 2 airports combined, the figures are of a 8.1% growth for December and a 9% growth for the full year. This is very positive considering the global economic climate. International traffic alone grew 32% in December.

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 18):
AM is planning to start MEX-MDE, what do you guys think?

I should think they would do OK. Medellin and its surroundings are an important powerhouse for Colombia. An example is non-traditional exports (that excludes mining, coffee, oil), of which 20% originate in Medellin and surrounds, compared to Bogota and its surrounds that account for 30% -which is alreadu served with 21 weekly frequencies. Most importantly, the figures show that growth is above average for MDE and its region. So I think AM is doing well on betting on MDE.

Unfortunately, Colombia's Aerocivil seem to have arbitrarily torpeadoed AM's plans (which had already programmed flights starting 15th Feb, and had to remove them from the system) after said authority first delayed the approval, and then seems to have conditioned it to a codeshare with Aerorepublica (This airline complained that mexican authorities had not given it permission to fly MDE-MEX -which they want to do with fifth freedom rights via PTY -something that is not contemplated in te bilateral treaty and thus Mexico does not have to accept). I would not blame AM for being put off altogether.

Quoting Clo1973 (Thread starter):
Colombia´s airport figures for 2008 (millions of pax) were:

Are, in fact:

Bogota 13.4 (+4.9%)
Cali 2.4 (-0.7%)
Medellin 2.3 (1.36%) 3.5m (+8.1%) for both of Medellin airports.
Cartagena 1.4 (+4.3%)
Barranquilla 1.2 (+2%)



[Edited 2009-02-10 05:31:33]

25 RCS763AV : What about the middle-size airports? BGA CUC PEI SMR ADZ And the smaller ones? AXM MZL IBE etc...? I seriously don´t know how BOG is handling so much
26 Nitepilot79 : Quien saber? En America, es lo mismo! LAXvsA380 Just on a slightly larger level of chaos!
27 Summa767 : The reason is that they need to move the cargo terminal, as that's where the new passenger terminal will be. So once the new cargo terminal is finish
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