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AA PHX MIA Cut In June?  
User currently offlineRolo987 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 293 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4802 times:

I tried searching for this but didn't find anything. I was just looking for flights PHXMIA nonstop on AA in June, but only saw connections. Is this route being cut for the summer, or permanently?

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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4737 times:

I would not be surprised to see it cut for the Summer.


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13754 posts, RR: 61
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4710 times:
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User currently offlineDoug From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 858 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4334 times:

Discouraging to say the least it has been a real struggle to get some more connectivity to MIA west of the Mississippi SAN,AUS,SEA,SJC hopefully in a better economic climate the flight will be reinstated.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5603 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4263 times:



Quoting Doug (Reply 3):
Discouraging to say the least it has been a real struggle to get some more connectivity to MIA west of the Mississippi SAN,AUS,SEA,SJC

 checkmark  I'll second that... If you don't want to go to LAX, you're going to end up going through there anyway! LAX, SFO, LAS, DFW and DEN are about it, right? (Sure would be nice if AA would get with the program and offer an actual route map.)

SNA is another potential western destination oft mentioned as deserving a MIA n/s...

However, I would bet the PHX-cut is seasonal only -- for this year anyway -- and it'll be back in November or December. (Assuming fuel prices don't go ballistic again.)

bb


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2908 posts, RR: 31
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4231 times:

Does US Airways still fly PHX-MIA, or will this market be completely without any non-stop service now? Surprising that these two important hubs cannot support even just a few daily flights between them.


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User currently offlineRW170 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4198 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 5):
Does US Airways still fly PHX-MIA

No, US only flies to CLT and PHL from MIA. They do fly PHX-FLL, however.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7808 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4197 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):
SNA is another potential western destination oft mentioned as deserving a MIA n/s...

The markets is surprisingly tiny. I dont think MIA-SNA would work. SAN would have a better shot.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33286 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4182 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 7):

Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):
SNA is another potential western destination oft mentioned as deserving a MIA n/s...

The markets is surprisingly tiny. I dont think MIA-SNA would work.

But the fact that AA's average MIA-SNA fare is above that of MIA-LAX, says a lot about traffic leakage to LAX, IMO. You have a lot of higher paying customers that aren't willing to schlep to LAX, and likely a large amount of customers that are going to LAX for the lower fares.

That being said, MIA-SNA isn't happening in this economy.

It's too bad AA isn't able to make this route work year-round. Hopefully it is just a seasonal cut; maybe much of the traffic was flowing to the Caribbean. If AA wasn't getting strong flow traffic to South America/Caribbean, the yields probably weren't that great.

Though at least MIA-LAX gets another 763 flight this summer.

[Edited 2009-02-06 17:37:00]


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User currently offlineMiaami From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 635 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4174 times:

Would love to see MIA-SEA back again too. But seeing that Alaska now serves the market I doubt AA will re-enter that market anytime soon.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5603 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4130 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Though at least MIA-LAX gets another 763 flight this summer

great

bb


User currently offlineKinglobjaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4051 times:

This isn't directly relevant, but after US canned PHX-MIA, it was still available nonstop from LAS, which is pretty neat considering HP always had to fly a route out of PHX before it brought in service from LAS. Same thing with PBI and and BNA; both saw service to LAS (on US), but never to PHX. Unfortunately, both nonstops no longer exist due to the demise of the LAS hub. US did bring back the LAS-DCA red-eye however. OK, now I'm really off topic. Sorry!  Sad

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User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 737 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4000 times:

I have heard MIA-PHX will most likely re-launch next winter, but that is not set in stone. Too bad because the route was finally starting to pick up.

Not sure if the a/c will be placed into another market or not.

When MIA-BNA #2 was downgraded to Eagle, MIA-CUN #5 was added.

AJMIA



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5603 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3775 times:



Quoting AJMIA (Reply 12):
Not sure if the a/c will be placed into another market or not.
When MIA-BNA #2 was downgraded to Eagle, MIA-CUN #5 was added.

Ah, so let me make sure I understand you, AJ': you're saying I can expect the announcement any day now that AA will be starting the SAN-MIA n/s on or about 6/11, right? Excellent!  Wink

(Don't I wish...)  crossfingers 

bb


User currently offlinePanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2693 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3752 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):
LAX, SFO, LAS, DFW and DEN are about it, right?

Don't forget the 3x weekly winter service to EGE! I took it last week, and it was great to go non-stop. They also fly IAH, MSP and a few others. But your point remains, AA is weak to the west out of MIA.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7808 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3738 times:



Quoting Panam330 (Reply 14):
But your point remains, AA is weak to the west out of MIA.

No they arent. AA serves: LAX, SFO, LAS, DEN, DFW, IAH, MSP, and they have a codeshare on AS's MIA-SEA. I would hardly call that weak. Theres no other market that really warrants service except maybe SAN.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33286 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3700 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 15):
No they arent. AA serves: LAX, SFO, LAS, DEN, DFW, IAH, MSP, and they have a codeshare on AS's MIA-SEA. I would hardly call that weak. Theres no other market that really warrants service except maybe SAN.

They're weak, IMO.

Based on load factors, SFO warrants a fourth flight. Not only does it average 90%+, but it is also a really strong performing yield-wise.

PHX should be able to work year-round, though in this state it's understandable it is being suspended (it should be back next winter); DEN really needs a second frequency; SEA could really use a second frequency too, one that connects to the Caribbean bank as opposed to the AS flight (which averages 92%+ LF) that connects to deep LatAm. LAS could use a third daily.

Though, yes, other than SAN, there isn't another market that is crying for non-stops.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7808 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3643 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
Based on load factors, SFO warrants a fourth flight. Not only does it average 90%+, but it is also a really strong performing yield-wise.

PHX should be able to work year-round, though in this state it's understandable it is being suspended (it should be back next winter); DEN really needs a second frequency; SEA could really use a second frequency too, one that connects to the Caribbean bank as opposed to the AS flight (which averages 92%+ LF) that connects to deep LatAm. LAS could use a third daily.

MIA-SFO could use another flight and I would love to see MIA-SEA being flown by AA.

As for MIA-LAS, im not so sure it needs more. Las Vegas has a really hurting economy right now.



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3607 times:

If Virgin America decides to fly to Miami, I expect AA to respond with a 4th to SFO.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5603 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3587 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 15):
Theres no other market that really warrants service except maybe SAN.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
Though, yes, other than SAN, there isn't another market that is crying for non-stops

Well, I'm certainly not going argue with either of you guys... Enough said; let's get SAN started with our first n/s, and then add frequencies to some of the other markets later on.

(By the way, I hear there's a nice 738 available after June 10...)

So who wants to make the call to DFW?  Wink

bb


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33286 posts, RR: 71
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3575 times:

MIA-LAX has almost as many seats as JFK-LAX this summer (1,375 v. 1,485). I think AA could stand to move some capacity over to another California market, but AA is obviously intent on serving MIA-LAX in high frequency and, based on MIA-LAX's financial performance, I can't blame them for playing it safe, although I wish they wouldn't.


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5603 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3543 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):
I think AA could stand to move some capacity over to another California market,

Well sure, you and I both know that a good number of those LA-MIA passengers are coming up from San Diego County (and not necessarily by flying) and I continue to believe that many from Orange and Riverside Counties would be happier going down to Lindbergh to catch a MIA n/s as opposed to fighting their way to LAX.

IMHO, the majority of business travelers anyway, probably take Eagle, or surface transporation, from SAN to LAX and catch one of the n/s (wide bodies) to MIA (and beyond), rather than fly a Mad Dog from SAN to DFW and (probably) another MD on to MIA. (AA must have the numbers of how many pax riding LA-MIA originate in SD zip codes; if not, they need to find out...)

Be assured that unless someone needs a very specific departure time that's different than that offered on THE n/s flight, or an arrival airport other than MIA, 80%+ of the daily traffic between SAN and S Florida, would be on that n/s AA flight! (Even if it's a 738.)

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 18):
If Virgin America decides to fly to Miami, I expect AA to respond with a 4th to SFO.

I would also like to think, BigG', that if VX started serving MIA, a SAN-flight would be a priority for them, especially if no one else is yet flying from SAN to S Florida!

bb


User currently offlineAA757MIA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3505 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
DEN really needs a second frequency

Definitely! The only DEN-MIA non-stop flight departs at 8:25. Very inconvenient for people like me living 2+ hours from the airport.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 21):
and (probably) another MD on to MIA

It would be either a 738 or a 757. I've flown the route on 763s and 777s as well.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7808 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3499 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 21):
Well sure, you and I both know that a good number of those LA-MIA passengers are coming up from San Diego County (and not necessarily by flying) and I continue to believe that many from Orange and Riverside Counties would be happier going down to Lindbergh to catch a MIA n/s as opposed to fighting their way to LAX.

Daily there are 267 passengers from FLL to SAN and from MIA there are 114. That could probably fill a 738 from MIA to SAN nonstop.

As for Riverside and OC passengers, some will favor SAN some will favor LAX. I can tell you most OC passengers will favor LAX over SAN especially since northern OC is more populated and only 25-30 minutes from LAX. I know this because I work in Garden Grove and live in El Segundo, so I drive it every day and it takes 30-35 minutes. For the most part people in Orange county have much easier access to LAX than SAN (maybe excluding people in Dana Point, San Clemente, and San Juan Cap).

Riverside county on the other hand probably would favor SAN (if SNA or ONT werent options) over LAX.



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User currently offlinePanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2693 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3483 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 15):
I would hardly call that weak.

You may not, but I do.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 23):
Daily there are 267 passengers from FLL to SAN and from MIA there are 114. That could probably fill a 738 from MIA to SAN nonstop.

MIA would still be the best option for non-stop service. A decent amount of O&D, plus the obvious connections that wouldn't be possible from FLL make it the better. A 738 would be a great fit for MIA-SAN.


25 SANFan : And we generally include the PBI-bound travelers as well; in this case, (2Q'08) that adds 80 pax/day for a total of 461 a day total between SAN and S
26 MAH4546 : And furthermore, the fares on MIA-SAN are very respectable. AA's average one-way fare is $361. Compare that to $288 on JFK-SAN, $268 on BOS-SAN, and
27 OB1504 : Any chance of US reinstating the route now that the competition is gone?
28 MAH4546 : I'd say no. Though, apparently, for now the suspension is seasonal through 15DEC09,
29 Tommy767 : I agree. Kind of like UA at SFO and starting more routes in the midwest, AA could have a few more frequencies out west from MIA. DEN could use a seco
30 SANFan : One thing to keep in mind: US does still fly PHX-FLL (2x daily) so they are still in the "s Florida" market from PHX -- there is at least n/s service
31 Hondah35 : Wow, this is really disappointing since I fly this weekly. Loads seem to be picking up although I haven't quite figured out a rhyme or reason to them.
32 MAH4546 : Loads aren't a problem. It averages 82%.
33 LAXdude1023 : Then I guess yields were the problem?
34 MAH4546 : $0.178/mile in 2Q08. The weakest of the MIA-West Coast routes, although better than ORD-PHX's yields. My guess is that it under-performs in the summe
35 Rafabozzolla : Well, Oneworld interactive route map works just fine. You can set it to display AA only and non-stop only and there you have it. The way I see it...
36 SANFan : How long has the PHX-MIA flight op'd; maybe a year and a half? Has it just run thru one summer so far? Just curious about the history of the flight. I
37 Rafabozzolla : Oneworld website. Main screen... Once you launch the map, under "settings" or something you can choose a bunch of things (type of lines, route types,
38 Rafabozzolla : So SANFan, Found it?
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