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Boeing And Airbus Suffering...  
User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5435 posts, RR: 30
Posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4383 times:

I suspect this is just the first wave of cancellations.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ers-at-both-airbus-and-boeing.html

Quote:
Both Airbus and Boeing have dipped into negative net orders for the year to date, having suffered more cancellations than secured sales.


[Edited 2009-02-06 11:18:40]

[Edited 2009-02-06 11:47:19]


What the...?
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User currently offline757GB From Uruguay, joined Feb 2009, 676 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4332 times:

I'm afraid you're right. Thanks for posting.

Regards,
GB



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User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4313 times:

Unfortunately this fact seems to be true! Anyway hope better days for both of companies, Boeing and Airbus.

By the way how's going with Embraer's deliveries? Better situation for them?

Regards,
Fatmir



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12502 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4259 times:
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So after the boom-year arguments about who "won" the sales battles each year, this year we might see arguments about who's cancellations are worth less!  Wow!


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4214 times:

What happens when an airline cancels an order?
Do they get a partial refund, a penalty? How does it go?
I am asking this question as I have not the slightest idea...  Confused  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4196 times:

So who cancelled those Airbusses? I guess I must have missed that being reported... unfortunately, Flight only mentions who cancelled B787 orders.


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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30908 posts, RR: 87
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4121 times:
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Quoting Scbriml (Reply 3):
So after the boom-year arguments about who "won" the sales battles each year, this year we might see arguments about who's cancellations are worth less!

No thank you.



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
What happens when an airline cancels an order?

It depends on the contract and the reason for the cancellation. In general, you can expect loss of deposits and any progress payments made on the airframe if the customer cancels because they don't want the plane.


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4072 times:



Quoting Leskova (Reply 6):
So who cancelled those Airbusses?

AerCap/AerVenture: -2 A319, -3 A320
Kingfisher Airlines: -4 A321
U.S. Airways: -3 A318


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User currently offlineVirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3946 times:



Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 8):
U.S. Airways: -3 A318

I didnt realise they had the 318 on order?? Did you mean the 319? Or was i just missing something?

Jordan



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User currently offlineCubastar From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 407 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3873 times:



Quoting Virginblue4 (Reply 9):
I didnt realise they had the 318 on order?? Did you mean the 319? Or was i just missing something?

Go to the Home page of this site....airliners.net and scroll right down to the bottom of the page....under AviationWeek.com.


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3679 times:

Isn't this more like a reality check? Both companies will now have more realistic order books to deal with in coming years, rather than coasting along on what was almost like the "sub-prime" version of aviation, with airlines booking large and unsustainable orders, just because everything seemed to be booming....

User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3528 times:



Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 10):
Isn't this more like a reality check? Both companies will now have more realistic order books to deal with in coming years, rather than coasting along on what was almost like the "sub-prime" version of aviation, with airlines booking large and unsustainable orders, just because everything seemed to be booming....

Are we likely to see 748F cancellations in the near future or are worldwide freight operations managing to hold their own?



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30908 posts, RR: 87
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3459 times:
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Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 11):
Are we likely to see 748F cancellations in the near future or are worldwide freight operations managing to hold their own?

Some believe all will be canceled and some believe none.

The truth lies somewhere in-between, I imagine, since there are advantages to taking new-build frames to replace older frames which might very well see some customers continue to take (or even advance forward) frames while others choose to defer or even cancel outright.


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