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JoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5129 posts, RR: 29
Posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3465 times:

I suspect this is just the first wave of cancellations.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ers-at-both-airbus-and-boeing.html

Quote:
Both Airbus and Boeing have dipped into negative net orders for the year to date, having suffered more cancellations than secured sales.

[Edited 2009-02-06 11:18:40]

[Edited 2009-02-06 11:47:19]

What the...?

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757GB From Uruguay, joined Feb 2009, 645 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3414 times:

I'm afraid you're right. Thanks for posting.

Regards,
GB

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FatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2410 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

Unfortunately this fact seems to be true! Anyway hope better days for both of companies, Boeing and Airbus.

By the way how's going with Embraer's deliveries? Better situation for them?

Regards,
Fatmir

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Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11443 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3341 times:

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So after the boom-year arguments about who "won" the sales battles each year, this year we might see arguments about who's cancellations are worth less! Wow!

Four more years!

MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10350 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3296 times:

What happens when an airline cancels an order?
Do they get a partial refund, a penalty? How does it go?
I am asking this question as I have not the slightest idea... Confused

There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde

Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

So who cancelled those Airbusses? I guess I must have missed that being reported... unfortunately, Flight only mentions who cancelled B787 orders.

Smile - it confuses people!

Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26956 posts, RR: 83
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3203 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 3):
So after the boom-year arguments about who "won" the sales battles each year, this year we might see arguments about who's cancellations are worth less!

No thank you.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
What happens when an airline cancels an order?

It depends on the contract and the reason for the cancellation. In general, you can expect loss of deposits and any progress payments made on the airframe if the customer cancels because they don't want the plane.

Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2669 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

Quoting Leskova (Reply 6):
So who cancelled those Airbusses?

AerCap/AerVenture: -2 A319, -3 A320
Kingfisher Airlines: -4 A321
U.S. Airways: -3 A318

Regards,

Hamlet69

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Virginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 836 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3028 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 8):
U.S. Airways: -3 A318

I didnt realise they had the 318 on order?? Did you mean the 319? Or was i just missing something?

Jordan

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Cubastar From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 373 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2955 times:

Quoting Virginblue4 (Reply 9):
I didnt realise they had the 318 on order?? Did you mean the 319? Or was i just missing something?

Go to the Home page of this site....airliners.net and scroll right down to the bottom of the page....under AviationWeek.com.

Gr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 2993 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2761 times:

Isn't this more like a reality check? Both companies will now have more realistic order books to deal with in coming years, rather than coasting along on what was almost like the "sub-prime" version of aviation, with airlines booking large and unsustainable orders, just because everything seemed to be booming....

EBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2610 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 10):
Isn't this more like a reality check? Both companies will now have more realistic order books to deal with in coming years, rather than coasting along on what was almost like the "sub-prime" version of aviation, with airlines booking large and unsustainable orders, just because everything seemed to be booming....

Are we likely to see 748F cancellations in the near future or are worldwide freight operations managing to hold their own?

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Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26956 posts, RR: 83
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 11):
Are we likely to see 748F cancellations in the near future or are worldwide freight operations managing to hold their own?

Some believe all will be canceled and some believe none.

The truth lies somewhere in-between, I imagine, since there are advantages to taking new-build frames to replace older frames which might very well see some customers continue to take (or even advance forward) frames while others choose to defer or even cancel outright.

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