Brick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9167 times:
UA runs a 757 between DEN and KOA. That route is over 3300 miles.
When UA served Anchorage, the ORD-ANC route was a little under 2900 miles if I recall.
Yes, United could run a 757 across the pond from the east coast, but as you said they will need to have some of the aircraft modified for this. I spoke with an off-duty 757 captain on a flight a month or two ago and asked him about this same thing. He said United has no interest in modifying any 757's for TA service at this time, though market conditions could force a change of thinking at any moment.
United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9131 times:
Quoting Phxmkeflyer (Thread starter): Also, if UA desired would they be able to fly their 752 TATL from their IAD hub? Would there need to be significant modifications in order to do this, is it even possible??
They could operate them from IAD-Ireland/UK/Spain/Northern France if they wanted to. Mods would be simply doing a paper MTOW upgrade, maybe winglets and of course whatever they wanted to do in the cabin.
Quoting Phxmkeflyer (Thread starter): I would imagine it would be either SFO or LAX to one of the Hawaiian destinations, can anyone confirm?
Probably at this point although I think they have done DEN-Hawaii in the past with the 752.
Now, this shows that most of Western Europe is accessible to IAD by 752. The fly in the ointment is the return trip. An A/C's range is the amount of AIR it can fly through, not the amount of ground that it can cover.
Consider the extreme situation of a Mach 0.8 headwind. You could fly the plane at Mach 0.8 straight into the wind until the tanks were empty and you would have moved precisely...nowhere. Winds tend to move from west to east, so that same 752 has to fly into the wind to return and that cuts down on its effective range. Thus, you could fly a 752 nonstop from IAD to MXP (3667 NM) but the trip back might require a fuel stop.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24893 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6572 times:
Quoting Phllax (Reply 7): I believe I read somewhere that UA has insurance restrictions on the 757 fleet stemming from 9/11 which peclude them from flying to Europe.
Quoting DC8Fanjet (Reply 10): not true, but there isn't any reason to insure a/c for routes that the airline has no plans or interest in flying that fleet to.
Actually it is true. UA did for a while post 9/11 and BK have a restriction on the 757 fleet area of operations due to lien holder and insurance covenants.
However at the end of the day, just because either the insurance policy or lease holders says you mush keep the plane in the U.S, if UA truly desired to operate to Europe or any other country, the company would simply negotiate an appropriate amendment or waivers. Its not the end of the world.
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