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User currently offlinePhxmkeflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 291 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9268 times:

Just out of my own personal curiosity, I was wondering what UA's longest 757 route is? I would imagine it would be either SFO or LAX to one of the Hawaiian destinations, can anyone confirm?

Also, if UA desired would they be able to fly their 752 TATL from their IAD hub? Would there need to be significant modifications in order to do this, is it even possible??

Thanks for your insights!

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User currently offlinePanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2671 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9179 times:

BOS-SFO, at 2704mi/2350nm.

User currently offlineBrick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9167 times:

UA runs a 757 between DEN and KOA. That route is over 3300 miles.

When UA served Anchorage, the ORD-ANC route was a little under 2900 miles if I recall.

Yes, United could run a 757 across the pond from the east coast, but as you said they will need to have some of the aircraft modified for this. I spoke with an off-duty 757 captain on a flight a month or two ago and asked him about this same thing. He said United has no interest in modifying any 757's for TA service at this time, though market conditions could force a change of thinking at any moment.

[Edited 2009-02-07 09:47:02]


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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3194 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9159 times:



Quoting Panam330 (Reply 1):
BOS-SFO, at 2704mi/2350nm.

Incorrect.

The DEN-Hawaii routes are much longer, north of 3000mi. DEN-KOA, DEN-LIH are often (if not always) run with 757, typically Sat-only service.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9131 times:



Quoting Phxmkeflyer (Thread starter):
Also, if UA desired would they be able to fly their 752 TATL from their IAD hub? Would there need to be significant modifications in order to do this, is it even possible??

They could operate them from IAD-Ireland/UK/Spain/Northern France if they wanted to. Mods would be simply doing a paper MTOW upgrade, maybe winglets and of course whatever they wanted to do in the cabin.

Quoting Phxmkeflyer (Thread starter):
I would imagine it would be either SFO or LAX to one of the Hawaiian destinations, can anyone confirm?

Probably at this point although I think they have done DEN-Hawaii in the past with the 752.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9102 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 3):
The DEN-Hawaii routes are much longer, north of 3000mi. DEN-KOA, DEN-LIH are often (if not always) run with 757, typically Sat-only service.

I'm not seeing any 752s on the DEN-Hawaii runs this summer its all 777/763 service.

Although it looks like DEN-KOA is operating as a 752 as we speak so that should be UAs longest 752 route.

[Edited 2009-02-07 09:54:41]


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19419 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9068 times:

I'll teach you how to answer your second question; I don't know how to answer the first.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757family/pf/pf_200tech.html

So this states that the maximum range of a 757-200 is 3,900 NM. With winglets it might go up to 4,000.

Now you Google "Great Circle Mapper." And your first link is:
http://gc.kls2.com/

So you enter "3900NM@IAD" into the second field and tell it to crunch away and you get:
http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=&...STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=&MAP-STYLE=

Now, this shows that most of Western Europe is accessible to IAD by 752. The fly in the ointment is the return trip. An A/C's range is the amount of AIR it can fly through, not the amount of ground that it can cover.

Consider the extreme situation of a Mach 0.8 headwind. You could fly the plane at Mach 0.8 straight into the wind until the tanks were empty and you would have moved precisely...nowhere. Winds tend to move from west to east, so that same 752 has to fly into the wind to return and that cuts down on its effective range. Thus, you could fly a 752 nonstop from IAD to MXP (3667 NM) but the trip back might require a fuel stop.


User currently offlinePhllax From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9002 times:

I believe I read somewhere that UA has insurance restrictions on the 757 fleet stemming from 9/11 which peclude them from flying to Europe.

User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3194 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8963 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 5):
I'm not seeing any 752s on the DEN-Hawaii runs this summer its all 777/763 service.

During the summer it is a 100% widebody service. HNL is typically daily 777, OGG daily 763, and KOA & LIH are weekend-only 763 (typically).

During the off-seasons, UA will have a Sat-only or weekend-only serivce to KOA and sometimes LIH (very rarely, it seems). Those are usually done with 757.



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User currently offlinePhxmkeflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8818 times:



Quoting Phllax (Reply 7):
I believe I read somewhere that UA has insurance restrictions on the 757 fleet stemming from 9/11 which peclude them from flying to Europe.

that's interesting, the first i've heard of that

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
Now you Google "Great Circle Mapper." And your first link is:
http://gc.kls2.com/

Great link and very helpful, Thank You!

seems as though DEN-LIH/KOA are the longest and are both operating today!
UA 1041 DEN-LIH
UA 1053 DEN-KOA


User currently offlineDC8Fanjet From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7862 times:



Quoting Phllax (Reply 7):
I believe I read somewhere that UA has insurance restrictions on the 757 fleet stemming from 9/11 which peclude them from flying to Europe.

not true, but there isn't any reason to insure a/c for routes that the airline has no plans
or interest in flying that fleet to.


User currently offlinePanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2671 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7818 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 3):
Incorrect.

Whoops! For some reason, I thought all DEN-Hawaii service was widebody. Thanks.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24917 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6719 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 4):
Quoting Phxmkeflyer (Thread starter):
I would imagine it would be either SFO or LAX to one of the Hawaiian destinations, can anyone confirm?

Probably at this point although I think they have done DEN-Hawaii in the past with the 752.

Unless I'm missing something, UA's only current DEN-Hawaii nonstops are 763s to both HNL and OGG.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24893 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6572 times:



Quoting Phllax (Reply 7):
I believe I read somewhere that UA has insurance restrictions on the 757 fleet stemming from 9/11 which peclude them from flying to Europe.



Quoting DC8Fanjet (Reply 10):
not true, but there isn't any reason to insure a/c for routes that the airline has no plans or interest in flying that fleet to.

Actually it is true. UA did for a while post 9/11 and BK have a restriction on the 757 fleet area of operations due to lien holder and insurance covenants.

However at the end of the day, just because either the insurance policy or lease holders says you mush keep the plane in the U.S, if UA truly desired to operate to Europe or any other country, the company would simply negotiate an appropriate amendment or waivers. Its not the end of the world.



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User currently offlineEgcarter From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6572 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):
Unless I'm missing something, UA's only current DEN-Hawaii nonstops are 763s to both HNL and OGG

You're missing something! UA 1053 (DEN-KOA, 752) just landed here on the Big Island 6 minutes ago. (4:31 HST)

UA1052 returns to DEN from KOA later tonite at 9:30PM HST.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24917 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6415 times:



Quoting Egcarter (Reply 14):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):
Unless I'm missing something, UA's only current DEN-Hawaii nonstops are 763s to both HNL and OGG

You're missing something! UA 1053 (DEN-KOA, 752) just landed here on the Big Island 6 minutes ago. (4:31 HST)

UA1052 returns to DEN from KOA later tonite at 9:30PM HST.

Thanks, found it (Saturday only). According to the UA PDF schedule it changes to a 763 on April 4.


User currently offline757ops From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4315 times:

I think that an IAD to MAN daily service would be perfect for UA to operate TATL with a 757 and its a route that was busy for BD and now has no service!

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