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United Adds DEN-YOW, SFO-GEG And Other Changes  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26128 posts, RR: 50
Posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8092 times:

Some new markets, resumptions and international equipment changes from previously published schedules.

Eff June 4th new route

UA7706 DEN-YOW 1655-2230 E70
UA7707 YOW-DEN 0750-0949 E70


Eff June 4th, resumption after 8 year hiatus.

UA6154 SFO-GEG 1254-1451 CR7
UA6166 SFO-GEG 2200-2357 CR7
UA6167 GEG-SFO 0600-0755 CR7
UA6157 GEG-SFO 1522-1711 CR7


Eff June 4th resumption

UA854 SFO-YYZ 1055-1856 319
UA855 YYZ-SFO 0700-0941 319


Eff June 4th as previously reported in its own thread.

UA94 SFO-MSP 1250-1833 319
UA817 MSP-SFO 0720-0920 319


Eff June 4th resumption

UA6138 LAX-TUL 1140-1641 CR7
UA6139 TUL-LAX 1712-1828 CR7


Eff March 3rd

IAD-GIG-IAD terminated 3 weeks early, GRU-GIG tag commences. IAD-GRU will remain on 777 for S09.

IAD-FCO upgauged to 777, 3 weeks early.


Eff March 28th.

ORD-MUC upgauded to 777
IAD-AMS downgauged to 763


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User currently offlineIndyWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7931 times:

Hopefully the people on the DEN-YOW route won't whine as much as the people on the DEN-YYZ route do. I didn't decide not to put PTV's on..don't b!tch at me about it! But I LOVE YOW, the people are nice, the city is beautiful!

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25687 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7924 times:
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Quoting IndyWA (Reply 1):
Hopefully the people on the DEN-YOW route won't whine as much as the people on the DEN-YYZ route do.

As long as United wasn't flying the route, I always hoped it was one that Frontier would start - I would have preferred that to DEN-YYC.

Now that United is flying it, of course, that dashes my hopes.  Smile

I would expect United will do quite well.

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7896 times:

SFO-GEG...it's about time!

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5592 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7865 times:

It is good to see UA doing some expanding; there continue to be some signs of optimism from US air cx. (Let's just hope the oil prices don't repeat last year!)

Maybe UA isn't done yet... it's still early February.

bb


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26128 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7772 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):
Maybe UA isn't done yet... it's still early February.

I believe we will indeed see further changes as advance schedules get massaged including potential new international flying which needs to be decided on very soon.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25983 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7533 times:



Quoting IndyWA (Reply 1):
Hopefully the people on the DEN-YOW route won't whine as much as the people on the DEN-YYZ route do. I didn't decide not to put PTV's on..don't b!tch at me about it!

If you want PTVs, fly AC (UA codeshare) connections DEN-YOW via either YYZ or YUL. I think AC DEN-YYZ and DEN-YUL flights are both A319.


User currently offlineJamincan From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7497 times:

I've been expecting UA to add YOW for awhile now. I don't think the O&D is too high between the two markets, but the YOW-LAX and YOW-SFO markets are quite large and would both be well served via DEN.

User currently offlineDoug_or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3441 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7445 times:

It's a bout time they started GEG-SFO, I was always kind of baffled why they didn't fly that one.


When in doubt, one B pump off
User currently offlineIndyWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7409 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):

If you want PTVs, fly AC (UA codeshare) connections DEN-YOW via either YYZ or YUL. I think AC DEN-YYZ and DEN-YUL flights are both A319.

Exactly! And when they see that UA doesn't have them, they complain to us...like we can do anything about that.


User currently offlineDia77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 706 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7377 times:

I'm happy about DEN-YOW. I think it will do great, but to echo Mariner's comments, I would have preferred F9 starting the route. Although, it seems that UA and AC fare better in the DEN-Canada markets than F9.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5592 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7321 times:

I wonder if there's any chance that UA could do something in the SAN-HNL market again this summer? (Heck, I'd even settle for the weird Saturday-only service they ran for the last couple of years -- on and off.)

I suppose the Hawaii market is still pretty depressed this year so I'm not going to hold my breath...

bb


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2907 posts, RR: 31
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6251 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):

Are you implying additional transborder flying - United's recent expansion into Canada seems to be a slam dunk success (just a few years ago the airline only served YVR, YYC and YYZ) - or perhaps some long-haul routes? Any news on the SFO-CAN service? If NW's daily NRT-CAN 757 service failed, could this route really have any potential?
I see LAX-TUL is making a return. Could we see LAX-AUS, LAX-DSM, or LAX-ICT come back as well?



Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1834 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6190 times:

LAXIntl,
I keep hearing more expanded flying out of LAX for UA mainly on the Explus side. Did you hear something along those lines?



Earthbound misfit I
User currently offlineJAXFLL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5724 times:

Which United Express company will be flying LAX-TUL? I know AA flew that route for maintenance flexibility, but why does UA fly it? What business is supporting that flight?

User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1834 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5705 times:



Quoting JAXFLL (Reply 14):
Which United Express company will be flying LAX-TUL? I know AA flew that route for maintenance flexibility, but why does UA fly it? What business is supporting that flight?

In the past it was SkyWest and i think they are going to get OO again.. As far as why UA is flying, you may not know but UAL has a hub in LAX.



Earthbound misfit I
User currently offlinePhllax From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5601 times:



Quoting JAXFLL (Reply 14):
Which United Express company will be flying LAX-TUL? I know AA flew that route for maintenance flexibility, but why does UA fly it? What business is supporting that flight?

I believe OO (SkyWest) has an exclusive contract for United Express flying on the West Coast. Unfortunately, these long thin routes like LAX-TUL see the CR7 instead of the E70.


User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5252 times:

I personally would like to see UA expand some flying out of the IAD hub, especially to some of their midwest markets (i.e. OMA, DSM, CID, MLI, etc). Would allow some bypassing of the busy ORD hub, not to mention some built in O/D to the DC area with a nonstop flight.

User currently offlineKGAIflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4324 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5148 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
UA7706 DEN-YOW 1655-2230 E70
UA7707 YOW-DEN 0750-0949 E70

Who saw this coming? Nevertheless, in theory it could work.

When AC was running YOW-SJC, ostensibly to connect two top high-tech centers, some who rode that flight expected to connect to other cities in the western states--plus Hawaii. Those connections existed at SFO but not at SJC, and SJC-SFO transfers at the time were a bit awkward.

YOW-DEN allows connections to ABQ, PHX, SAN, SNA, TUS -- nice places where the weather is moderate in the winter (compared to Ottawa) -- plus LAX, SEA, SFO and SJC for business. Then with the right timing, there is DEN's 763 to HNL for those who really want that.

All this while earning Aeroplan points.  Wink

[Edited 2009-02-08 10:38:19]

User currently offlineKGAIflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4324 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5060 times:
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Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 17):
I personally would like to see UA expand some flying out of the IAD hub,

Perhaps using some of their ETOPS-certified 757s.

BSB-IAD with a tag-on to YOW could work with a weight-restricted plane. Or perhaps a 757 to LIS with a tag-on to FAO. Maybe a follow-up to BD's leased IAD-MAN 757.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26128 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4900 times:



Quoting Dia77 (Reply 10):
Although, it seems that UA and AC fare better in the DEN-Canada markets than F9.



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 12):
United's recent expansion into Canada seems to be a slam dunk success

Yes and it certainly helps that UA-AC are the respective home carriers in the cities covered and things like MIleagePlus and Aeroplan further aid in keeping people loyal.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 12):
Any news on the SFO-CAN service?

One way or the other, United must pull the trigger on CAN very soon.

Their DOT route deferral was for one year and July is fast approaching if they plan on marketing the route. In the long run, I have no doubt it would be succesfull as the Pearl River Delta and cities of Guangzhou & Shenzhen are becoming China's prime manfuacturing and economic center after Shanghai. Its just a matter of how long UA is willing to nurse the route in today's economy.

Quoting JAXFLL (Reply 14):
Which United Express company will be flying LAX-TUL?

OO

Quoting JAXFLL (Reply 14):
but why does UA fly it? What business is supporting that flight?

Well it seems the folks in TUL are happy to have their sole link to Los Angeles back.
http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0209/592105.html

Quoting Bahadir (Reply 13):
I keep hearing more expanded flying out of LAX for UA mainly on the Explus side. Did you hear something along those lines?

Have not heard anything firm, but would not surprise me to see frequency build up, and resumption of previous markets. UA is after all getting additional 70 seaters this year.

Quoting Phllax (Reply 16):
I believe OO (SkyWest) has an exclusive contract for United Express flying on the West Coast.

No such thing.

What United does have, and might be called are 'spheres of operations'. Basically it keep things easier and less costly to segregate operators to their own regions instead of them all having to set up their infrastructure and staff across the entire nation.

Quoting Phllax (Reply 16):
Unfortunately, these long thin routes like LAX-TUL see the CR7 instead of the E70.

Unfortunately? the 66 seat ExPlus CR7 is everyway as comparable for the E70 in my book.

The CR7 is very different from is predecessor CRJ in cabin comfort.



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User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3152 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4858 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 20):
What United does have, and might be called are 'spheres of operations'. Basically it keep things easier and less costly to segregate operators to their own regions instead of them all having to set up their infrastructure and staff across the entire nation.

Hmm, they don't seem to follow that outside of DEN. Take a look at IAD or ORD sometime.



DMI
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26128 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4820 times:



Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 21):
Hmm, they don't seem to follow that outside of DEN. Take a look at IAD or ORD sometime.

Sure they do. Does a UAX carriers at IAD operate at SFO for instance?

United keeps UAX partners limited in geographic regions and respective hubs.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6131 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4732 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):
Sure they do. Does a UAX carriers at IAD operate at SFO for instance?

No but for fairness sake OO is everywhere except IAD but of course they are UAs largest Express partner.

Skywest at SFO, LAX, DEN & ORD (PDX and SEA as well)

Mesa at DEN, ORD & IAD

GoJet at ORD & IAD

Trans States at ORD & IAD

Colgan at IAD

Chautauqua at IAD

Shuttle America at DEN, ORD and IAD



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User currently offlineDurangomac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 743 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4451 times:



Quoting JAXFLL (Reply 14):
Which United Express company will be flying LAX-TUL? I know AA flew that route for maintenance flexibility, but why does UA fly it? What business is supporting that flight?

Maybe it's a way to transfer an aircraft from the LAX system to the ORD system.


25 Goldenshield : It's one of many ways. However, the general flow is that an aircraft will center on one hub or another as it needs MX. One day, it may be centered on
26 Olympic472 : ORD-MUC upgauge to the 777 SUCKS! Especially when UA just upgraded all their 763s on ORD-MUC with the new First and Business seats. With this switch t
27 Dfanucci : Wow, GEG-SFO returns. I remember when they cut that flight 8 years ago. There was some very negative United press up here. Glad to see it return. -D
28 FL787 : I have a United question. I see they switched ORD-PVG to a 772. Where did the 772 come from and where did the 744 go? I can't figure it out.
29 LAXintl : Last fall there were several international route changes. LAX-HKG, LAX-FRA, SFO-NGO, SFO-TPE, DEN-LHR got dropped, while some 744s got parked, and air
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