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EK Stops Hiring Cabin Crew  
User currently offlineEDGAREN From Venezuela, joined Feb 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 19300 times:

Emirates airlines has brought to a halt the hiring of new cabin crew members. For all of those acquainted with EK hiring procedures this comes as a big surprise since they have been taking in as many crew members as they can throughout the world for many years, in fact their plan was to reach a total of 14 thousand cabin crew members in 2012. Besides that it was of my understanding that they were in need of more cabin crew due to the new A-380 entering operations in the company. The reasons cited for EK to this haltening in hiring is the difficult economic situation worldwide that has finnally come to affect Emirates plans, if you guys ckeck their career search website you'll find that they have suspended most of their Open Days for new joiners. Now my question is: if they no longer plan to hire new cabin crew how are they going to operate the future a-380s they have on order, my two cents is that they didnt count on this worldwide economy downturn when they planned all this big expansion going on in the company. My source of information comes from some FA in EK.


EDGAR.

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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12406 posts, RR: 100
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 19205 times:
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Quoting EDGAREN (Thread starter):
For all of those acquainted with EK hiring procedures this comes as a big surprise since they have been taking in as many crew members as they can throughout the world for many years, in fact their plan was to reach a total of 14 thousand cabin crew members in 2012. Besides that it was of my understanding that they were in need of more cabin crew due to the new A-380 entering operations in the company.

There is a big difference between suspending hiring for a few months to let late 777's and A380's enter the system and truly halting hiring. Its my understanding that EK staffed up in anticipation of the 777's and A380's being delivered on time. Thus, there should be three to four months ahead of the need for FA's. So how far out are they delaying bringing new crew into the system? If its for three to six months...  yawn  That's due to over-hiring for airframes that haven't yet entered the system. If its for more than six months... Yikes!  wideeyed 

There are signs that Dubai is experiencing a horrid credit crunch. But no expansion? That would be amazing. How many surplus FA's were brought into their system for rapid introduction of the A380's/77L's/77W's? Did they just get a few month's ahead of the hiring curve or are they closing down for the year?  scratchchin 

I also expect in this economy cabin crew turnover will be... reduced. So that will cut out a few recruiting classes too.

But it could be more. Is it? We won't know for a few quarters. Or maybe we'll hear about huge Airbus and Boeing deferrals. But with the new bilaterals to India, Australia, and Spain... I think there is room for the low CASM airline to expand.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 19208 times:



Quoting EDGAREN (Thread starter):
Now my question is: if they no longer plan to hire new cabin crew how are they going to operate the future a-380s they have on order, my two cents is that they didnt count on this worldwide economy downturn when they planned all this big expansion going on in the company.

It wasn't just EK, I doubt if any airline could have foreseen this. And if your information is correct and they have halted the hiring of cabin crew, then I would expect deferrals are in the works.



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User currently offlineRuscoe From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1516 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 19196 times:

I guess no new hiring means no new aircraft ecxcept for replacements of retiring aircraft.

Boeing has 38 unfilled 777 orders and 10 unfilled 748F orders.

Airbus has 50 A359 and 20 A350-1000 unfilled, and 54 A380 unfilled

No need to postpone the 350's because they are years away, but 380's could be slowed along with 777 and 748F.

Cheers Ruscoe


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4679 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 18927 times:



Quoting EDGAREN (Thread starter):
Emirates airlines has brought to a halt the hiring of new cabin crew members. For all of those acquainted with EK hiring procedures this comes as a big surprise since they have been taking in as many crew members as they can throughout the world for many years, in fact their plan was to reach a total of 14 thousand cabin crew members in 2012. Besides that it was of my understanding that they were in need of more cabin crew due to the new A-380 entering operations in the company. The reasons cited for EK to this haltening in hiring is the difficult economic situation worldwide that has finnally come to affect Emirates plans, if you guys ckeck their career search website you'll find that they have suspended most of their Open Days for new joiners. Now my question is: if they no longer plan to hire new cabin crew how are they going to operate the future a-380s they have on order, my two cents is that they didnt count on this worldwide economy downturn when they planned all this big expansion going on in the company. My source of information comes from some FA in EK.



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 1):
How many surplus FA's were brought into their system for rapid introduction of the A380's/77L's/77W's? Did they just get a few month's ahead of the hiring curve or are they closing down for the year?



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 1):
I also expect in this economy cabin crew turnover will be... reduced. So that will cut out a few recruiting classes too.

Hmm,
This would raise the question as to what will happen to my g/f who just moved over to Dubai last month to take on a F/A position... Will her training be halted...?
Any information would be great so I can pass on the information....

EK413



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User currently offlineEDGAREN From Venezuela, joined Feb 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 18657 times:



Quoting EK413 (Reply 4):

I also have this aussie friend who just moved to the sandpit and is currently in his second week of training, I'll check with him. From What I was told they havent decided yet if they'll lay off some employees in the future. The decision will only affect prospective recruits al least for the time being.


User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 18369 times:



Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 3):
guess no new hiring means no new aircraft ecxcept for replacements of retiring aircraft.

no hiring could also mean future frequency cuts.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 4):
Will her training be halted...?

If the training is already scheduled then it would go on.


User currently offlineEK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18220 times:

Emirates will not axe any crew. In these times it is difficult to know which routes will have a slowdown and which might actually have extra demand!

Emirates recently added more flights or frequencies to Australia and many cities in Asia, Africa and the Middle East. They also slashed their prices by as much as 50%. Their flights to the popular destination still go full most of the time. But other destinations could suffer

I think Europe will be the hardist hit from the network

But there will be no axing of jobs in Crew


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4679 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18149 times:



Quoting EDGAREN (Reply 5):
I also have this aussie friend who just moved to the sandpit and is currently in his second week of training, I'll check with him. From What I was told they havent decided yet if they'll lay off some employees in the future. The decision will only affect prospective recruits al least for the time being.

Cheers... Your friend was probably part of the same group my g/f joined... Started 25th of Jan...

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 6):
If the training is already scheduled then it would go on.

Well with that in mind maybe she is safe for now...

EK413



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User currently offlineMal787 From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 687 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18121 times:



Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 3):
748F.

Why would you stop hiring for the 748F do they have FA's to check on cargo?

mal787



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User currently offlineRuscoe From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1516 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 17258 times:



Quoting Mal787 (Reply 9):
Why would you stop hiring for the 748F do they have FA's to check on cargo

Good point!

Only because it is a general indication that things are not going well.

Other cargo carriers are reducing frquencies, delaying aircraft.

Ruscoe


User currently offlineAirbus1 From United Arab Emirates, joined Feb 2001, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 17213 times:

Expect a temporary slowdown in recruitment for Q1 - but that is all. Open days have been postponed not cancelled. And some staff upgrade courses postponed.

But EK is already advetising internally for all grades (from Economy to SFS) to apply for transfer to the A380 fleet as new planes arrive in the late spring and summer. That creates vacancies on the main fleet.

There are also new 777s arriving most months. Some A330s might be removed from service - though as a pax they wont be missed - some are looking very dated inside.

What has happened is that less people are leaving - turnover must be far less than this time last year (crew hearsay rather than empirical data). Who wants to give up a well-paying job when there are no other jobs to move to back home?

Expect a few crew may also move to FlyDubai as that starts up - hard to imagine but there must be some people who like to sleep in their own bed every night.

Dubai has slowed down dramatically - a rush hour drive on Sheikh Zayeed road is almost pleasant now. But EK will retain its focus on transit traffic and we will likely still see a number of new routes online later in the year.

Airbus1


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4679 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 16419 times:



Quoting Airbus1 (Reply 11):
Dubai has slowed down dramatically - a rush hour drive on Sheikh Zayeed road is almost pleasant now.

Will the bubble finally boost in the UAE... They have always given the "world" an impression the bubble will not boost... Only time will tell...

EK413



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User currently offlineSwallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15986 times:



Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 3):
No need to postpone the 350's because they are years away, but 380's could be slowed along with 777 and 748F

Luckily for EK, the OEMs are doing the deferrals for them. 777s were delayed by the strike, and 748 delivery has moved to the right. 380 deliveries have been reduced this year.



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User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 15133 times:



Quoting EK413 (Reply 12):
Will the bubble finally boost in the UAE... They have always given the "world" an impression the bubble will not boost... Only time will tell...

EK413

Some people insist that the bubble has already burst.

No one saw the economic crisis coming, but believe it or not, but I always felt that all this expansion was too good to last.


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12406 posts, RR: 100
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 14849 times:
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Quoting EK156 (Reply 7):

But there will be no axing of jobs in Crew

Good to hear.

Quoting Airbus1 (Reply 11):
Expect a temporary slowdown in recruitment for Q1 - but that is all. Open days have been postponed not cancelled. And some staff upgrade courses postponed.

That is what I speculated. Good to get inside confirmation.

This is all rumor at this point, but due to the lack of jobs... anywhere! People want to know.

Quoting Directorguy (Reply 14):
No one saw the economic crisis coming, but believe it or not, but I always felt that all this expansion was too good to last.

Ever read calculatedrisk? Read up on an economist named Christopher Thornberg ex-UCLA now part of Beacon consulting? People saw this coming. Thornberg is a more optimistic economist. He even sees us getting through the worst of this.

But between now and ~18 months from now, that is a lot of flights to cut...  Sad

Lightsaber



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User currently offlinePP705 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 14462 times:

The downfall of every airline starts with the stopping hiring of cabin crew especially when the airline has annouced great plans for increase in routes and capacity. Finally the truth seems to have caught EK. EK always had a doubtful source of funding. Bear in mind that EK is from the same country as Dubai Port. Dubai Port did raise security issues when it bid for the management of some ports in the US.

User currently offlineHAMAD From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1158 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 14409 times:

Emirates have placed a freeze on recruitment on many departments. as for hiring new crew members, receiving new airplanes has nothing to do with it, but it has to do with the accomodation. there are around 500 crew members in temporary accomodations, hotels and apartments hotels all around dubai. the company have placed a restriction on crew wanting to move to another accomodation from their current one, you should see how angry some crew members get at the facitilies department in the company head quarters. the reason for this is that alot of landlords for contracted buildings have not submited the buildings yet for the company so that they can assign the cabin crew to their new appartments


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User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1807 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 14409 times:



Quoting PP705 (Reply 16):
The downfall of every airline starts with the stopping hiring of cabin crew

My girlfriend has put in application forms to plenty of airlines and they arnt hiring yet. Just because an airline stops hiring crew it doesnt mean its starting a long slippery slope.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 14126 times:

Last week they advertised for cabin crew from Pakistan after a very long time, is that off too?

User currently offlineAlianza From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 12141 times:



Quoting EK156 (Reply 7):
Emirates will not axe any crew. In these times it is difficult to know which routes will have a slowdown and which might actually have extra demand!

It's good news that jobs are safe. Is the launch of FlyDubai on schedule?

Quoting HAMAD (Reply 17):
the reason for this is that alot of landlords for contracted buildings have not submited the buildings yet for the company so that they can assign the cabin crew to their new appartments

Thanks for the news. At this time isn't there a large supply of unsold or unleased housing in Dubai? There should be a supply of available housing now.



Regards,


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4679 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 12009 times:



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 14):
Some people insist that the bubble has already burst.

No one saw the economic crisis coming, but believe it or not, but I always felt that all this expansion was too good to last.

Agreed... No one could see it coming and to top it off EK must of been under the impression that they would be invisible to the economic downturn by expanding routes when other lucrative carriers pull back on new routes and downsizing on existing routes...

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 15):
Quoting EK156 (Reply 7):

But there will be no axing of jobs in Crew

Good to hear.

Interesting to see what will happen to the crew with their 3 year contract due to be reviewed...

Quoting PP705 (Reply 16):
Finally the truth seems to have caught EK.

Finally!!!  highfive  Been waiting for the day to come where EK takes a sniff of reality!

Quoting HAMAD (Reply 17):
Emirates have placed a freeze on recruitment on many departments. as for hiring new crew members, receiving new airplanes has nothing to do with it, but it has to do with the accomodation. there are around 500 crew members in temporary accomodations, hotels and apartments hotels all around dubai. the company have placed a restriction on crew wanting to move to another accomodation from their current one, you should see how angry some crew members get at the facitilies department in the company head quarters. the reason for this is that alot of landlords for contracted buildings have not submited the buildings yet for the company so that they can assign the cabin crew to their new appartments

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My g/f' apartment is located approximately 45 minutes away from the college... Not familiar with Dubai as yet but from what she has told me there isn't any buildings in sight so the short fall of accommodations is true... She has requested to relocate closer to her friends whom live next to the Emirates towers, but doubt this will happen anytime soon...
I heard Emirates are building a EK village where ALL the crew will be relocated???

Quoting 777way (Reply 19):
Last week they advertised for cabin crew from Pakistan after a very long time, is that off too?


I believe this would of been put on halt too... EK had an open day here in Sydney, I didn't attend however I believe with the announcement of the halt of hiring new FA this would of been postponed...

EK413



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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 11322 times:

Can't vouch for this site, but here goes:
http://240plan.ovh.net/~redcandy/air...irates-stopped-recruiting-updated/

Quote:
[UPDATE] : I have gathered a little more information. They have halted Open Days and hiring processes for many aspiring Emirates Crew Members for an undefined time period. I understand they will be re-contacting applicants who already went through the whole hiring process as soon as they overcome the current economical downturn and they need new joiners. This is an excerpt from an email sent from HR I got earlier on today…

“The current economic climate has prompted many airlines (including ourselves) to re-assess business strategy and recruitment needs for the future. As a business it is paramount that we ensure that we match our recruitment policy to our actual and anticipated business requirements to enable us to create the right training and career opportunities for all those who wish to join us. This re-assessment has resulted in a decision to significantly reduce the number of new Cabin Crew we are hiring this year.
[...] We would seek to re-contact you when we have our next course start dates confirmed…”




"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
User currently offlinePhilzh From Switzerland, joined May 2007, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 11144 times:



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 14):
Some people insist that the bubble has already burst.

Seen on The Big Picture: Dubai Real Estate Crash.


User currently offlineHAMAD From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1158 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week ago) and read 10929 times:

Quoting Alianza (Reply 20):
Thanks for the news. At this time isn't there a large supply of unsold or unleased housing in Dubai? There should be a supply of available housing now.

you can't just go and buy any available appartments in the market right away! those buildings has been contracted and customily build for Emirates!

[Edited 2009-02-09 06:50:41]


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25 Directorguy : Thanks and will definately do so Emirates' management must have been pretty scared when the entire recession/downturn began. They had had to cope wit
26 RetroLivery : Has Etihad been affected by any of this? I realise that EY is not as large an airline and Abu Dhabi has not been as overdeveloped as Dubai has. I chec
27 BBADXB : If Ek stopped recruiting cabin crew, then it effectively means downsizing, especially now that the nonsense is hitting the fan - it is no secret that
28 Directorguy : EY is a government-financed airline so it doesn't matter if it makes money or not. The Abu Dhabi government is going to back them crisis or not. Real
29 Malaysia : The Saudi thing too SV is always backed by the Royal Family even it suffers
30 Lumberton : How about QR. . . same situation?
31 Ikramerica : No one in power maybe, but plenty of us did here on a.net. Especially in relation to Dubai Inc. and the crazy real estate and airline growth they wer
32 Post contains links Edgaren : Seems like dubai's situation is drawing increasing international attention, check this link out guys: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/12/world/middleea
33 Malaysia : " target=_blank>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/12/wo...l?em. Should have had instructions or kept keys in a magnetic box under car, so I can get a fr
34 Airfrnt : If this recession does in fact degrade to a depression, then Dubai and the middle east and China will be ground zero for the worst effects. I've been
35 EK413 : Any updates as to how long the halt of hiring new F/A... My g/f is 3 weeks away from graduation from day... EK413
36 Lightsaber : Question, why isn't there a link by now on this? With the SQ cuts, its believable, but its interesting there isn't another source yet. Basically the
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