Mke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2309 posts, RR: 5 Posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5109 times:
So anyways, I was planning on doing a daytrip towards the end of April/early May to try out NW for perhaps the last time before they mesh into DL. On the way out I was gonna do MKE-ATL on FL and on the way back ATL-DTW-MKE on NW. Now for the last couple of weeks I had been checking NWA.com to see if the price of my desired flight would change and each night it was still there at $95 price with the seatmaps showing an empty load. Yesterday, I got confirmed and got $300 as a gift from my parents/grandparents. Once again I checked NW's website after I got home and it showed nothing different from the nights before. I woke up this morning intending to drive up to MKE and pay for my flights, but when I go on NW's website today all the NW flights (DC-9s, A320s) that have been there before have disappeared and now it only shows DL flights (757s, MD-80s) for ATL-DTW,MEM, MSP. Its still showing NW flights on the routes for March, but the prices on those are atleast $50 higher. I'm also thinking there's no way ALL THOSE FLIGHTS could have sold out overnight so either there's some kind of glitch in the booking engine or is ATL-DTW,MEM,MSP really going all DL starting April? Thanks!
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AeroHero128 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 28 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4965 times:
Doing a further bit of detective work on nwa.com....
It seems the month of March 2009 marks the end of Northwest ops across the two hub systems. Note the Delta Connection flights operated by Mesaba Aviation [!] between SLC-MEM starting 02 March, replacing Northwest Airlink flights operated by Compass Airlines ending 01 March.
Very similar stories arise in other inter-network hub pairs. Northwest codes still prevail on certain legs (mid-March: NW9300-9400's are CVG-DTW Comair flights), but it seems to be all Delta steel next month.
Former NW-only ops (like your DTW-MKE leg) seem to be immune from this conversion...for now. *thunder* Northwest's days are clearly quite numbered.
Bottom line, Mke717, you may want to hurry up on that daytrip of yours. Like, leave NOW. Anderson seems to be getting impatient.
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4723 times:
Correct Delta is pulling a lot of flying from NW in regards to this, Delta is adding their own metal to these routes, not sure the reason, but I guess they really want to make sure NW doesn't even exist in ATL anymore.
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Mke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2309 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4681 times:
Well right its showing NW planes back on the route in May, but do you think this will last? I don't want to buy it and then have them switch on me down the road...Also, do you think I'll still have a good chance to have NW painted planes for my flights? Thanks!
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TVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2199 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4639 times:
Mke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2309 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4616 times:
Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 4): No. Soon (within a year), everything will be DL and different planes from both airlines will be going everywhere. Fly NW why you can.
I meant for just for May.
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Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21214 posts, RR: 19 Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3679 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 2): Delta is adding their own metal to these routes, not sure the reason, but I guess they really want to make sure NW doesn't even exist in ATL anymore.
...of course, there are corresponding increases in NW flying around that time (e.g. BDL-TPA and FLL-LGA).
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DeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8576 posts, RR: 8 Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3617 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 2): Correct Delta is pulling a lot of flying from NW in regards to this, Delta is adding their own metal to these routes, not sure the reason, but I guess they really want to make sure NW doesn't even exist in ATL anymore
And they are letting NW take over other DL routes. Plus your forget that MSP-ATL and MSP-JFK both will have 333s on them which are NW birds. DL is taking airplanes like the DC9 and the 319 and upgrading them to 737/757/M80......the first two i'd take anyday of the week over the 319 or DC9. They are trying to add more seats between hubs.......thats all it is.....quit with the drama.
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Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3607 times:
DeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8576 posts, RR: 8 Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3395 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 8): On the 737 vs. A319, not a chance, the A319 is wider and more open, a lot more comfortable and the DC-9 is one of the best rides around.
to each his own.....I'd take a Delta 73H or a 73G over the 319 ANYday of the week. more than likely the 73Y over the 319 too.
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 8): those don't account for that many flights.
and NW doesn't have alot of flights into ATL.
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DL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2039 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3301 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 2): I guess they really want to make sure NW doesn't even exist in ATL anymore.
Rather a logical consequence of the merger wouldn't you say?
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 8): On the 737 vs. A319, not a chance, the A319 is wider and more open, a lot more comfortable
A remarkable feat indeed considering that the first class and coach seat widths are exactly the same at both airlines on these two aircraft and the cabin widths are just a few inches in difference.
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 8): the DC-9 is one of the best rides around.
Ah, nostalgia is a wonderful thing and for that reason alone I shall enjoy riding around in some of those old machines once again but "one of the best rides around". Really?
Soxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 854 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3183 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 8): On the 737 vs. A319, not a chance, the A319 is wider and more open, a lot more comfortable and the DC-9 is one of the best rides around
Not to knock against the A319 or DC9, but DL's 737 or 757 do have IFE, on some PTV which could make for a more enjoyable in-flight experience, depending on the passenger. This distinction could change once/if DL puts IFE into the A319, though I doubt into the DC-9 given that there's no IFE in their own MD-88s.
On the other hand, how many more chances will you have to fly a DC-9?
Pilot: "Request push, which way should we face?" JFK Ground: "You better face the front, sir, or you'll scare the pax!"
Before the merger they had 5x MSP, 8x DTW, and 3x MEM I would say that was quite a few, especially for a spoke station. The even used to have more flights back in the days using 757's and what not, at one point it was 6x MSP, 10x DTW and 4x MEM.
Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 10): Ah, nostalgia is a wonderful thing and for that reason alone I shall enjoy riding around in some of those old machines once again but "one of the best rides around". Really?
Yeah, where else can you get 2-3 seating in Coach or a full 16 FC seats which was great NW policy on such short flights of an hour or so, and sometimes even longer flights like MSP-ATL etc. Smooth riding and very quiet if you were in the forward half.
Quoting Soxfan (Reply 11): Not to knock against the A319 or DC9, but DL's 737 or 757 do have IFE, on some PTV which could make for a more enjoyable in-flight experience, depending on the passenger. This distinction could change once/if DL puts IFE into the A319, though I doubt into the DC-9 given that there's no IFE in their own MD-88s.
They will go into the A319's at some point. But people who need a TV in front of them on a flight is pretty bad, how many people take road trips without a screen in front of them, look out the window or read a book, pretty sad these days.
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MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51 Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2778 times:
Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 10): A remarkable feat indeed considering that the first class and coach seat widths are exactly the same at both airlines on these two aircraft and the cabin widths are just a few inches in difference.
Yeah, I agree.
In all my years of flying, I have never noticed a difference in F or Y between a 737/319. Not even remotely. In fact, to me, the MD-80 series beats the pants off of both of those in terms of cabin comfort in Y. But what do I know...I've only be on around 50 A320-series flights before and over 100 737 flights.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51 Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2766 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12): But people who need a TV in front of them on a flight is pretty bad, how many people take road trips without a screen in front of them, look out the window or read a book, pretty sad these days.
I agree with that, especially in terms of the UA 747/DL 763ER loathing which occurs on this board. Heaven forbid you have to look at a movie screen! I guess a good chunk of the people on here have never ridden a long distance train ride before. No PTV's on those, and no one complains. Generally, I think, people are too spoiled when it comes to air travel. Lest they forget 15 years ago, PTV's weren't all that common...and yet, life went on.
Falstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 5670 posts, RR: 29 Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2691 times:
Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 14): I guess a good chunk of the people on here have never ridden a long distance train ride before. No PTV's on those, and no one complains
You have the best PTV of all.... You can look out the window and see all kinds of neat stuff.
Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 14): Lest they forget 15 years ago, PTV's weren't all that common...and yet, life went on.
I still like a book or a few magazines. Then sleep!
Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2604 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12): They will go into the A319's at some point. But people who need a TV in front of them on a flight is pretty bad, how many people take road trips without a screen in front of them, look out the window or read a book, pretty sad these days.
Here we go resurrecting the 'society is crumbling because people can't read a book' again. I find PTVs an added bonus - yeah I could read a book, look out the window, study something, sleep - but maybe I want to explore what IFE has to offer - there is nothing wrong with that. The lack of IFE on Northwest flights for me is always a check in the 'cons' box when you are comparatively priced with carriers that do offer it (amongst many of the other things they offer over Northwest). A couple of weeks ago I flew BNA-MSP-LAS on NW - flights were professional and timely - but other than that, I've been more entertained in my car. Yea I could have read something - but I didn't want to; I do enough reading as it is on the ground.
GSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2745 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2535 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12): But people who need a TV in front of them on a flight is pretty bad,
PTV really helps pass the time on flights. I'd rather have it than not have it.
TVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2199 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2500 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 8): On the 737 vs. A319, not a chance, the A319 is wider and more open, a lot more comfortable and the DC-9 is one of the best rides around.
PGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2511 posts, RR: 45 Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2242 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 2): Delta is adding their own metal to these routes, not sure the reason, but I guess they really want to make sure NW doesn't even exist in ATL anymore.
Yes, I'm sure that's the reason.
Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 4): Soon (within a year), everything will be DL and different planes from both airlines will be going everywhere. Fly NW why you can.
Correct. If you want to fly NW branded as such, there's no time like the present.
Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 7): They are trying to add more seats between hubs.......thats all it is.....quit with the drama.
Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 9): Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 8):
those don't account for that many flights.
and NW doesn't have alot of flights into ATL.
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12): Before the merger they had 5x MSP, 8x DTW, and 3x MEM I would say that was quite a few, especially for a spoke station. The even used to have more flights back in the days using 757's and what not, at one point it was 6x MSP, 10x DTW and 4x MEM.
So five is a lot? Face it: they will all be Delta soon.
Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 13): MD-80 series beats the pants off of both of those in terms of cabin comfort in Y.
Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 16): A couple of weeks ago I flew BNA-MSP-LAS on NW - flights were professional and timely - but other than that, I've been more entertained in my car.
Which, since you were paying for transportation not entertainment, seems fine given the timely and professional service you received.
Soxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 854 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2201 times:
Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 14): guess a good chunk of the people on here have never ridden a long distance train ride before
I don't want to turn this into a pro/anti-IFE thread, but the one difference I want to point out with planes and trains is that, with trains, people get to see a variety of scenery, depending on where their train is headed (i.e. mountains, quaint countryside towns, farmland, etc.) while on planes all you see out the window, basically, is sky.
To keep this on topic, I personally believe that many passengers approve of IFE on flights, and thus will appreciate it when DL puts IFE into the A319s, as it will blend in with their own metal (non-NW).
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GSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2745 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2080 times:
Another point to bring up here is fleet consistency. If an airline offers IFE/PTV, it should be offered consistently across the fleet (mainline anyway).
Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2069 times:
Quoting PGNCS (Reply 19): Which, since you were paying for transportation not entertainment, seems fine given the timely and professional service you received.
So what is the retort to everyone that flies everyone else that pays the same amount and gets IFE? Granted - I got a decent fare on that itinerary so I just brought my laptop etc...so you roll with the punches; but for the same fare - I prefer IFE. I believe in getting the most value for my dollar.
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Once again I checked NW's website after I got home and it showed nothing different from the nights before. I woke up this morning intending to drive up to MKE and pay for my flights, but when I go on NW's website today all the NW flights (DC-9s, A320s) that have been there before have disappeared and now it only shows DL flights (757s, MD-80s) for ATL-DTW,MEM, MSP. Its still showing NW flights on the routes for March, but the prices on those are atleast $50 higher. I'm also thinking there's no way ALL THOSE FLIGHTS could have sold out overnight so either there's some kind of glitch in the booking engine or is ATL-DTW,MEM,MSP really going all DL starting April? Thanks!
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