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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8946 posts, RR: 10
Posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

I am not sure if this is #9

Latest article on PVD and the Intermodal Station. This article explains the progress so far on the new Station at PVD. How it started off small and now how it has grown in size and expense.


http://www.projo.com/news/content/Pe..._02-08-09_65D7J7B_v23.3c91227.html


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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

Yeah, I don't know if it is #9 either, if there was then call it #9 continued, since the one before didn't last very long anyway.

It's nice to see the Intermodal station at PVD coming along. I hope to take some pictures next time I'm there, which will probably be when my grandmother flies up for the summer in late April/early May. I think PVD should be considered Boston's second airport, which it is already, but it should have a lot more service than it does, and thanks to the rail it will. If only they could get people to realize it's potential as an alternative to BOS. Business travellers tend to stick to the major airports, however, and the leisure crowd has B6 and FL and to a smaller extent NK already at BOS, with WN rumored to start service there.



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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2678 times:

here is another related article:

http://www.projo.com/news/environmen..._02-08-09_QUD3UM3_v33.38461d2.html

Also of some significance. The south concourse (US, CO, AC, 9K) has new retail options. The retail component opened this past week and has a NY Times bookstore, Explore RI, and Federal Hill news. US has also installed gate readers at each gate, which seems to speed up boarding a bit.

Borders Bookstore also opened in the north concourse between gates 10 (UA) and 11 (NW).

Now that the new baggage screening system is in use, the lobby based x-ray machines have been dismantled and await removal from all ticketing areas. I hear that will happen over the next couple of weeks.

No more having to wait to have your bags x-rayed at PVD!!!

Now that volumes are lower than past years, it really is great to use PVD from a customer perception. No lines, new food options, new shops, all new flight displays and they've improved parking options, pricing and service.

Maybe PVD can a bit of the lost air service back...


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8946 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2598 times:



Quoting PVD757 (Reply 2):
Now that the new baggage screening system is in use, the lobby based x-ray machines have been dismantled and await removal from all ticketing areas. I hear that will happen over the next couple of weeks.

No more having to wait to have your bags x-rayed at PVD!!!

That should be an improvment, I last used PVD in the warmer weather, the old system was in use then, how long has the new system been working? I cannot recall any news about it being changed. Probably short memory.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8946 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2566 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 1):
It's nice to see the Intermodal station at PVD coming along. I hope to take some pictures next time I'm there, which will probably be when my grandmother flies up for the summer in late April/early May. I think

If you do, put them on, there ought to be something more substantial by then. If I see anymore articles about progress, I will put them on.



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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2522 times:



Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 3):
how long has the new system been working?

About a month or so.


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8946 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2413 times:

This is a view of the garage section at PVD. I may not have done this correctly, first time I have tried.


http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/images.inc



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8946 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2410 times:



Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 6):
This is a view of the garage section at PVD. I may not have done this correctly, first time I have tried.

Obviously a very small photo, I will have to try a new way.



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User currently offlineBTVB6Flyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

Sense this whole thread has been about PVD (sarcastic, dont get on me). Ill bring in some other airport news from BTV. It looks like the airport is looking to expand again with a new 2-story, 1400 space parking lot. Now this has been long needed, as the old one was always full. Im not sure where this one is going, if its going on top of the one they have now or across the street, were I know the town of Burlington was trying to sell those houses so the airport could use the space?

On a side note looks like 2008 traffic was up again almost 8%, most likley with the addition of FL.

Link: http://www.burlingtonintlairport.com/GarageExpansionNews.htm


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8946 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2388 times:



Quoting BTVB6Flyer (Reply 8):
Sense this whole thread has been about PVD (sarcastic, dont get on me). Ill bring in some other airport news from BTV. It looks like the airport is looking to expand again

I read about that today in our newspaper, welcome to all news by the way, PVD is a little controversial, as is all in R.I.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8946 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2357 times:

Just another example of the ongoing arguments over PVD


http://newsblog.projo.com/2009/02/speaker-murphy.html#449045



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User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1844 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2349 times:

I've driven past the new train station a few times over the past month. Looks like the garage is now going up?

RI really needs a light rail system.. maybe MBTA could take care of that as RIPTA is a joke. Also, any news if there is still going to be a Cranston (Elmwood/Edgewood) stop along the MBTA route to PVD?



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8946 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2337 times:



Quoting TUNisia (Reply 11):
I've driven past the new train station a few times over the past month. Looks like the garage is now going up?

RI really needs a light rail system.. maybe MBTA could take care of that as RIPTA is a joke. Also, any news if there is still going to be a Cranston (Elmwood/Edgewood) stop along the MBTA route to PVD?

Yes, they are assembling the garage piece by piece. I believe there was an article about the Cranston station just about a week ago, so far all plans as far as I know. There is plan for a station in East Greenwich also in the future.



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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2313 times:



Quoting TUNisia (Reply 11):
RI really needs a light rail system.. maybe MBTA could take care of that as RIPTA is a joke.

There are plenty of places where I've heard they could bring rail to Providence- Woonsocket/Worcester is often mentioned, and I think expanding towards Westerly/New London is possible as well. I'd like to see them use the rail lines off the NEC going through Southeastern Massachusetts towards the Cape as well as towards Framingham. That's most likely fantasy though. Would you want the MBTA to do it? They're not exactly the best run system.

So with WN now at BOS I wonder if it will affect PVD and MHT. It shouldn't though.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4678 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2310 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 13):
So with WN now at BOS I wonder if it will affect PVD and MHT. It shouldn't though.

BOS has had more low fares for a while, and chances are the flights will be to places already served by WN at PVD/MHT. The only place WN could add that might lure some pax away is PHL, where PVD/MHT have the low fare advantage.

BOS is going to experience a yield bloodbath, which could encourage some of the legacy airlines at PVD/MHT to keep some capacity in place, since they may actually generate a premium at PVD rather than BOS for once.

BOS-MDW is a given with FL having just a couple nonstops
BOS-BWI is probable, and FL has 7x

I can think of a place where Id love for FL to send those planes if WN drives them off...



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8412 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2270 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 13):
Would you want the MBTA to do it? They're not exactly the best run system.

Public transit in the US in general is not a "best run system" but that stems from the reluctance to subsidize public transportation with tax money, and not from any organization's inability to do the job. Which when you think about it, it's an oxymoron. The word "public" in public transportation stands for where the money comes from. Efficient public transportation is very expensive. I don't find the MBTA to be any worse than in other cities. At least we have something we can use  Smile There are far bigger cities in the US with worse or no usable public transit at all.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 14):
BOS is going to experience a yield bloodbath, which could encourage some of the legacy airlines at PVD/MHT to keep some capacity in place, since they may actually generate a premium at PVD rather than BOS for once.

I don't agree at all. BOS is already a low fare airport due to the fact that it does not have a predominant carrier and it has plenty of competition from both Legacy and Low Cost carriers. WN may be a LC carrier but it sure as heck isn't a low fare carrier (except for last minute fares). Sure, there may be some routes where legacies have no competition and charge high fares but those are too few and there's no guarantee that WN will enter those routes either.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4678 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2268 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 15):
I don't agree at all. BOS is already a low fare airport due to the fact that it does not have a predominant carrier and it has plenty of competition from both Legacy and Low Cost carriers. WN may be a LC carrier but it sure as heck isn't a low fare carrier (except for last minute fares). Sure, there may be some routes where legacies have no competition and charge high fares but those are too few and there's no guarantee that WN will enter those routes either.

Im also factoring VX into that equation. WN is always highly competititive at the start, then slowly rachets up the fares over time. There wont be a massive "southwest effect" because low fares already exist, but general yeilds will suffer.



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User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2252 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 14):
BOS has had more low fares for a while, and chances are the flights will be to places already served by WN at PVD/MHT. The only place WN could add that might lure some pax away is PHL, where PVD/MHT have the low fare advantage.

BOS is going to experience a yield bloodbath, which could encourage some of the legacy airlines at PVD/MHT to keep some capacity in place, since they may actually generate a premium at PVD rather than BOS for once.

BOS-MDW is a given with FL having just a couple nonstops
BOS-BWI is probable, and FL has 7x

I can think of a place where Id love for FL to send those planes if WN drives them off...

No way WN drives FL out of BOS. They have a solid network here and they serve their purpose.

When WN starts service, it is not going to be that large. I foresee service to BNA, MDW, BWI, PHL and maybe PHX and LAS. MDW is currently not served non-stop out of BOS and neither is BNA. PHL needs to competition to lower the fares, which is why PVD and MHT both have higher O&D numbers than BOS.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4678 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2245 times:



Quoting B752OS (Reply 17):
No way WN drives FL out of BOS. They have a solid network here and they serve their purpose.

I was refering solely to BOS-MDW, I dont even think WN could drive FL out of BOS-BWI, but they may end up reducing the frequency a little.



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User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2243 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 18):
I was refering solely to BOS-MDW, I dont even think WN could drive FL out of BOS-BWI, but they may end up reducing the frequency a little.

Does FL even offer BOS-MDW non-stop anymore? I thought they cut the flights last year.

In general I don't think the entry of WN into BOS is going to have too large of an adverse effect on both MHT and PVD. I can see some passenger drops between PVD/MHT-PHL and PVD/MHT-BWI. But other than that, MCO, FLL, BNA, MDW, et.c should all be just fine.


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8946 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2174 times:

Another example of R.I. projects. Putting the horse before the cart???? Imagine how the guy feels who owns the land at Wickford Junction, Eureka ! I have found the Mother Lode.

http://warwickonline.com/?_session_id=3b4a2e9a33ad6996b41c5a4397b1e464



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8946 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2165 times:

There is another story farther down from the one about the new Intermodal station. That is about the improvments in baggage handling at PVD


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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4120 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2150 times:

As a related question to the excitement about Southwest coming to Boston, what's the timetable again for the ability to serve Dallas-Love? Is the restriction partially lifted now and fully lifted some years down the road? How many?

User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2099 times:

Here is the one regarding getting rid of the need to wait for your checked-baggage to be screened and moving the x-ray machines.

http://warwickonline.com/printer_friendly/1971930#1


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4678 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2096 times:



Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 20):
Another example of R.I. projects. Putting the horse before the cart???? Imagine how the guy feels who owns the land at Wickford Junction, Eureka ! I have found the Mother Lode.

Hardly, they actually do have an agreement for the PVD airport station. they just might not be able to start wickfoard at the same time like they wanted. A signal improvement for Warwick wouldnt be that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things, and can probably pay for it from cost savings on the project  Wink



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25 WarRI1 : In that case, is the Beacon wrong? I can only go by the article, the Beacon says no agreement with the MBTA.
26 Post contains links WarRI1 : Here is the latest, right from Kevin Dillon of RIAC, on his take on South West going to Logan. Optomistic? We shall see. http://bizblog.projo.com/2009
27 RL757PVD : There's a reason why the Beacon is only published twice a week....and its not becuase of their quality journalism One only has to read the "letters t
28 WarRI1 : Is the Beacon wrong? Not I believe they are wrong. I would also ask why someone who left R.I. makes a judgement about people who are living near the
29 WarRI1 : There is an agreement, dating back several years with the MBTA called the Pilgrim Partnership. This concerns service to Providence and use of the ove
30 Post contains links RL757PVD : http://www.warwickonline.com/pages/f...secondary_story_left_column&open=& I rest my case...
31 WarRI1 : I do not really understand, what am I looking for? Is it the letter from the woman about the dog? The three comments? I know her slightly, a local ch
32 ChrisNH : LMAO...you guys never 'rest your case.' Some other phrase would have been more appropriate.
33 WarRI1 : I do not know that one "LMAO" I have a feeling, I may not want to know, tell me anyway. Maybe I can then use it on you know who.
34 BOStonsox : I think it will be great when we can take the train to PVD. The busses are expensive from South Station. Maybe some day MHT will get rail service as w
35 WarRI1 : The concept is good, hopefully it will all come to some good in the future, if they start taxing driving by the mile as has been suggested, maybe tha
36 BOStonsox : So here's a few interesting things I've learned just looking at today's issue of the Today In The Sky blog: First, BOS has raised parking fares. Now p
37 WarRI1 : The increase in parking fees does not surprise, what is the artificial turf for, no mowing, less maintanance?
38 BOStonsox : Part of it is getting the wildlife off the runway area, another is that it improves visibility (less dirt in the air).
39 WarRI1 : I understand, especially about the dust, makes sense. I guess geese do not like artificial turf to dine on either.
40 WarRI1 : I was out in my yard this morning at 10:50 AM, two military aircraft, fighter type screamed over my head, I could not get the type, too fast, they wer
41 RL757PVD : They will not show up on any kind of flight tracking software
42 WarRI1 : Ok, thanks, I had a feeling that was the case.
43 Boslax : Not true, BOS-PHL is slightly higher, and that's with an average one-way fare that is nearly three time higher than PVD and MHT. BOS, 264,850 O&D, fa
44 RL757PVD : FYI Delta has some good fares out there, I get to use PVD for the first time in several years $249 ATL-PVD in June Hopefully Delta sees that I paid th
45 Post contains links WarRI1 : Another view of the possible affects of Southwest going to Boston. How it may impact Prov. http://www.projo.com/business/conten..._03-01-09_8VDF78U_v1
46 RL757PVD : Its just a commentary from someone not in tune with aviation. He's assuming WN wants to do a DEN style ramp up. He is forgetting that BOS does not ha
47 WarRI1 : I know he is the Business Editor, and I thought it was an interesting take on the subject. I have read some of the opinions about SouthWest's move in
48 Boslax : The major piece of traffic that Southwest does not carry in Southern New England is the business traveler who is destined for Boston. For example, a
49 WarRI1 : Ok, I am not that familiar with it. I just put in on to see what the opinion was on the possible impact. We shall find out eventually. With this econ
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