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User currently offlineClipper707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5919 times:

Anyone know when the Saab's will be repainted in the New Delta colors?


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5789 times:

Probably not for a while, supposidly one of the reason's that they didn't do more in the NW NC was because on the planes they found some corrosion and if they found more they would have to ground the entire fleet. If thats true or not, I don't know.


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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7711 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5736 times:



Quoting Clipper707 (Thread starter):

Anyone know when the Saab's will be repainted in the New Delta colors?

I have heard no mention of any date or schedule regarding painting of the Saab fleet, or any of the Mesaba, Compass, or Pinnacle "Airlink" planes.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 1):
Probably not for a while, supposidly one of the reason's that they didn't do more in the NW NC was because on the planes they found some corrosion and if they found more they would have to ground the entire fleet. If thats true or not, I don't know.

Not true, you're confusing two seperate issues.

#1 The primary reason no more planes were repainted was due to money. Prior to NW and XJ's subsequent Ch. 11 filing, there was a repaint program schedule established for the Saab and ARJ fleets. Once they filed Ch. 11, the painting program was halted, hence only 1 Saab got repainted and ~3 ARJ's.

#2 The Saab requires special care when being repainted, due the bonded primer undercoat. There was a second-hand A model Saab that had been improperly repainted by a previous operator which led to an excessive amount of corrosion. The aircraft was deemed too costly to repair, so Ship 106 was removed from the fleet. All of the current B+ Saabs were delivered new to Mesaba and have never been repainted (other than 407 into the new livery). Thus, they are exempt from this issue.


User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5729 times:

In an earlier thread, I read that the Saabs were supposed to start getting painted in June.


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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6517 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5533 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 1):
Probably not for a while, supposidly one of the reason's that they didn't do more in the NW NC was because on the planes they found some corrosion and if they found more they would have to ground the entire fleet. If thats true or not, I don't know.

Burnsie, are you even hinting that Northwest or Mesaba hid the corrosion on Saab's from the government to prevent grounding the fleet? Sounds to me like you are. If so, nothing could be further from the truth.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5520 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 1):
upposidly one of the reason's that they didn't do more in the NW NC was because on the planes they found some corrosion and if they found more they would have to ground the entire fleet.

Not true... that issue is ONLY applicable to aircraft that have been re-painted since leaving the factory. None of the Mesaba Saab's have been.... Also.... no where in the SB or AD does it state a fleet must be grounded if corrosion is found.. Each aircraft is handled on a case by case basis.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12263 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5432 times:
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Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
I have heard no mention of any date or schedule regarding painting of the Saab fleet

In our last newsletter they said April... I'll believe it when I see the first one roll out in white and blue  Smile I hope one of the birds with the new interior will be first to get painted



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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5310 times:



Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 6):
In our last newsletter they said April... I'll believe it when I see the first one roll out in white and blue Smile I hope one of the birds with the new interior will be first to get painted

And I hope that 407XJ is the last.



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User currently offlineMetJetCEO From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5266 times:

I think it was this month's issue of Airliners or in one of the threads, but I believe Delta has plans to have the entire NW and subsidiary fleet repainted by mid 2010.

User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3304 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5149 times:



Quoting JBo (Reply 7):
And I hope that 407XJ is the last.

Best looking Saab ever!

Yep, I've heard that the painting will start this year as well. Seems like DL wants everything changed over as quickly as possible. Probably trying to get as much done in one fiscal year as possible.


User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2025 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5071 times:



Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 9):
Probably trying to get as much done in one fiscal year as possible.

Either that or trying to take advantage of a slow down in traffic to get the brand changed over before things start to pick up again and it makes it difficult to rotate aircraft through,


User currently offlineNWA320 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4956 times:

When were the Saabs first delivered to Mesaba?

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4909 times:



Quoting NWA320 (Reply 11):
When were the Saabs first delivered to Mesaba?

I want to say 1995 through 2000. Mesaba took most of the last Saab 340 aircraft produced.



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User currently offlineSYfan100 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 590 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4717 times:

What is wrong with the current colors on the Saabs?  stirthepot 
When Sun Country was flying Dc-10s, one of them I do believe was found to have a case of corrosian so they got rid of that Dc-10. Then later on they got rid of the rest of the Dc-10s since that was around the time when they were getting their first Boeing 737-800.
My guess is Delta will have all the Saabs painted before the middle of January 2010.


User currently offlineSuisjes From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4620 times:

I saw a painted SAAB in Mena Arkansas at Chrighters that place is really scary but does good paint!!

User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4614 times:



Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 6):
I hope one of the birds with the new interior will be first to get painted

So that is to say that some of Mesaba's Saabs have had their interiors refurbished? For some years I have wondered when Mesaba would do something about the very well-worn interiors of their otherwise trusty, reasonably comfortable Saabs. Seems from what I have observed (as a pax on Saab flights opb Mesaba) that interiors were overdue for replacement as much as 5 years ago or more.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7711 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4599 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 12):
I want to say 1995 through 2000. Mesaba took most of the last Saab 340 aircraft produced.

The current B+ fleet was delivered between 1996-1998. Correct, they were most of the last Saab 340's off the line.

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 15):
So that is to say that some of Mesaba's Saabs have had their interiors refurbished? For some years I have wondered when Mesaba would do something about the very well-worn interiors of their otherwise trusty, reasonably comfortable Saabs. Seems from what I have observed (as a pax on Saab flights opb Mesaba) that interiors were overdue for replacement as much as 5 years ago or more.

Similar to the repaint program, there were plans to refurb the interiors, that also was shelved when XJ filed Ch. 11. There are two aircraft out there that had the dyed blue seat covers. They are now going to be refurbed though and long over due. XJ was also looking into weight-saving seats as well as a way to cut weight from an aircraft that is prone to w/b issues.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12263 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4444 times:
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Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 15):
So that is to say that some of Mesaba's Saabs have had their interiors refurbished?

414 and 430 I believe are the ones with new seats. New (comfier) leather seats and new carpet. Still grey interior, just much better quality,.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4412 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 4):
Burnsie, are you even hinting that Northwest or Mesaba hid the corrosion on Saab's from the government to prevent grounding the fleet? Sounds to me like you are. If so, nothing could be further from the truth.

I'm just saying what I heard a while back.



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User currently offlineSYfan100 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 590 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4377 times:



Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 17):
414 and 430 I believe are the ones with new seats. New (comfier) leather seats and new carpet. Still grey interior, just much better quality,.

One thing I have to give Northwest credit is they really new how to keep their old planes and now airlink partner planes looking nice on the inside.
During a flight on a Dc-9-51 you could tell Northwest did something to the inside of it because it looked like the brand new Boeing 757-300 I was on for a different flight.


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4351 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 16):
XJ was also looking into weight-saving seats as well as a way to cut weight from an aircraft that is prone to w/b issues.

Another detail I have noticed with regard to weight & balance issues with XJ's Saabs is that some MSP-BJI and v.v. flights on which I have been a pax over the past 3 months have apparently been limited to 30 pax (on aircraft configured with 34 seats). Inasmuch as the distance between the two cities is 199 air miles and flying time is under one hour ...just curious... why the need to limit pax boarded to less than capacity on this route? Does the same restriction sometimes/often apply with XJ Saab flights on routes of similar distance...and is the decision as to whether to restrict number of pax based only on seasonal and/or day-to-day considerations? (ie weather conditions and/or cargo volume?)


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12263 posts, RR: 35
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4336 times:
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Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 20):
Another detail I have noticed with regard to weight & balance issues with XJ's Saabs is that some MSP-BJI and v.v. flights on which I have been a pax over the past 3 months have apparently been limited to 30 pax (on aircraft configured with 34 seats). Inasmuch as the distance between the two cities is 199 air miles and flying time is under one hour ...just curious... why the need to limit pax boarded to less than capacity on this route? Does the same restriction sometimes/often apply with XJ Saab flights on routes of similar distance...and is the decision as to whether to restrict number of pax based only on seasonal and/or day-to-day considerations? (ie weather conditions and/or cargo volume?)

To put it bluntly....people have gotten fatter  Smile It was designed when the average pax weight was lower. So right now only 30 seats are available for use on the Saab. However, as weather and other factors permit, this number can go up or down. I've seen a Saab weight restricted to 14, and I have seen several go out with 33. Too much fuel, less pax. Lots of kids, more pax.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7711 posts, RR: 27
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4202 times:



Quoting SYfan100 (Reply 19):
One thing I have to give Northwest credit is they really new how to keep their old planes and now airlink partner planes looking nice on the inside. During a flight on a Dc-9-51 you could tell Northwest did something to the inside of it because it looked like the brand new Boeing 757-300 I was on for a different flight.

Well the Saab isn't an old aircraft. They're 11-13 years old, more middle-aged than anything.
The DC-9's all received new interiors and were extensively overhauled in the late 90's.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 21):
To put it bluntly....people have gotten fatter It was designed when the average pax weight was lower. So right now only 30 seats are available for use on the Saab. However, as weather and other factors permit, this number can go up or down. I've seen a Saab weight restricted to 14, and I have seen several go out with 33. Too much fuel, less pax. Lots of kids, more pax.

The FAA raised the average passenger weights after the issue that caused the Air Midwest B1900 to crash in CLT a few years. Effectively, the Saab is now a 30 seat aircraft. As Kai said, it can go up and down based on a number of factors.
-Fuel requirements
-# of Adults vs. Children
-En-route weather / winds
-Destination weather
-Diversion airports

If the weather is bad, sometimes the diversion airport can even be the departing airport. It is not uncommon to weight restrict down to 25-26 pax in poor weather.


User currently offlineAviatortj From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4153 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 16):
Similar to the repaint program, there were plans to refurb the interiors, that also was shelved when XJ filed Ch. 11. There are two aircraft out there that had the dyed blue seat covers. They are now going to be refurbed though and long over due. XJ was also looking into weight-saving seats as well as a way to cut weight from an aircraft that is prone to w/b issues.

412 is sporting the new grey interior with new carpeting. It is identical to the blue except it looks like they gave the FA jumpseat a little love this time around. The padding on the seat is still next to none, but it feels much less worn than the previous seat cover.


User currently offlineKatwspotter From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4150 times:



Quoting Aviatortj (Reply 23):
412 is sporting the new grey interior with new carpeting. It is identical to the blue except it looks like they gave the FA jumpseat a little love this time around. The padding on the seat is still next to none, but it feels much less worn than the previous seat cover.

Correct so is 402 and 425...you can tell as soon as the FA opens the door it smells fresh



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25 KaiGywer : And out of MSP (and I would assume DTW/MEM as well), this is the case almost every time there is an alternate. If an alternate is filed, it will be M
26 Bobnwa : And you thought it was a legitimate statement? Do you still think so? You might want to verify claims of faulty maintenance etc. before repeating the
27 Azjubilee : Burnise - you're wrong... once again PSU is correct regarding the repaint and 106. Kai is right... April is when the first saab will go to paint for t
28 SYfan100 : That will really be fun to see what it looks like when it is all completed. What is a lav deep clean? Is it just like the rest of the plane where you
29 Azjubilee : SY - I'm not sure but I think they actually steam clean or something like that... a true cleaning, not just a wipe down with chemicals.
30 SYfan100 : Well non the less it sounds interesting with what they do to the Saabs.
31 Katwspotter : I completely disagree with you here...I believe there are going to be even more problems now. We have already had a few hiccups with the -200s saying
32 IRelayer : Wow that is not a comforting thought if true. Lets not strip the paint off because we might find some massive problem! I don't go into my closet anym
33 Azjubilee : IRelayer - did you read the thread? Burnsie posted heresay and it was squashed by at least two posters including myself as being FALSE. What he said w
34 AviatorTJ : Typical ground handling procedures place the marshall on a walkaround while the wingwalker chocks the aircraft and places appropriate cones on the cap
35 DurangoMac : OO has the FA count the passengers and figure out the passenger index. Sometimes there is a problem with the FA's count or the gate agent's count. OO
36 KaiGywer : "Ops, can we get a jumpseater?" "No." I bet you guys are excited Just don't go overboard now, remember we have limited ballast Well, the gate agent s
37 KingAir200 : Thanks, but I'll take WorldFlight over having to bring you guys paperwork.
38 Azjubilee : Bring us paperwork? All you have to do is fill out a tiny little form... and tell us how many bags you put onboard... just like you do for Pinnacle. I
39 KingAir200 : It's really not less work. Before, we filled out the same card we did for mainline and the ops agent uploaded the information. Now we have to fill out
40 Azjubilee : It was my understanding that Worldflight, while a better system is to be replaced by Deltamatic or whatever they call it. Apparently it would cost too
41 KingAir200 : Hmmm. I know they said that about PARS, but I wasn't aware they had decided the same about WorldFlight. Agreed, although, from a station ops perspect
42 Heathrow : are there any airlink saabs in new colours? I haven't seen any.... I'm not sure how it would look in DL colours, but I'd love the new NW scheme!
43 Pilotboi : Yes, one, N407XJ.
44 Burnsie28 : Did either of you really read what I said at the end? More specifically bob:
45 PSU.DTW.SCE : Haha, thats rediculous. What caused it to be restricted to 14????? The shorter hops that is true. When I was in SCE, SCE-DTW never had SCE has the di
46 Azjubilee : A numbers game... as well as the control center and agent not wanting to deal with the situation. The problem has always been for the jumpseater to ge
47 TDubJFK : Is it just me or do the Saabs look tail heavy?
48 PSU.DTW.SCE : They're actually the opposite - nose heavy. On flights with light loads, they move all the passengers to the rear of the aircraft. Even so much on fe
49 KaiGywer : I don't remember but I think it was a plane fueled for something far away like PIA, being sent to STC or something. Because we're not allowed to let
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