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AirTran To Announce MKE Expansion Tues (FEB 10)  
User currently offlineVivavegas From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 505 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10470 times:

Per JS Online: AirTran Holdings Inc. (AAI) will announce details Tuesday of its plans to add 11 more daily departures from Milwaukee's Mitchell International Airport, the company said today.

AirTran's current schedule has 19 daily departures from Milwaukee to nine cities. The increase to 30 daily departures will come this summer, during the peak travel season.


http://www.jsonline.com/business/39315572.html

Willing to wager on some or all of the following: MSP, DTW, Branson (2x Week). Bonus would be PWM & San Juan (seasonal?)

What say you?

Craig
MKE


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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10440 times:
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I would be surprised to see FL enter the MSP or DTW market from MKE right now. I would not totally rule it out in the future though. FL should add a seasonal SEA flight for the Summer to get the Alaska cruise traffic. Also a Fri, Sat, Sun and Mon flight to SJU to capture that cruise segment as well. These flights would need little if any sales help as they could sell blocks of seats to various cruise lines right from the start


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User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10418 times:



Quoting Vivavegas (Thread starter):
Branson (2x Week)

Branson, Missouri? Has construction even started on that airport? Or are you suggesting FL will go to SGF?


User currently offlineHermansCVR580 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 509 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10388 times:

So is this where we start saying our good-bye's to Midwest? Look I'm not looking to get flamed here, but Midwest is really hurting and in a way this could be a real kick in the jewels to Midwest.

I do wonder should Midwest ever go under would AirTran move over to the D concourse? Grant it the D-52 old Skyway parking area would be a lost cause unless rumours of Q-400's for AirTran would ever come ture then it would be perfect parking spots for them.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5434 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10385 times:



Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 1):
FL should add a seasonal SEA flight for the Summer to get the Alaska cruise traffic

They've been offering this for at least a year or 2 now, from roughly early May thru Sept or October, 1x daily r/t.

bb


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10379 times:

ATL 5x
BWI 3x
LGA 3x
BOS 2x
MCO 2x
FLL 2x
TPA 2x
RSW 1x
PBI 1x
LAX 1x (maybe 2)
SFO 1x
LAS 1x (maybe 2)
PHX 1x
SAN 1x
SEA 1x

Wildcards:
MSP
IND
CAK
DFW
MSY
MIA



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5434 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10349 times:

The only western FL city that is not currently connected with MKE is DEN and I think that may be one of the new flights announced tomorrow. I would also expect to see at least one new route to Texas.

bb


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10340 times:



Quoting LV (Reply 2):
Branson, Missouri? Has construction even started on that airport? Or are you suggesting FL will go to SGF?

Branson (private airport) is already on FL's routemap, so I hope it's built!



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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10302 times:

well, the June schedule shows this:

MKE to:

ATL 4
BWI 3
BOS 2
SEA 1
SAN 1
LAX 2
SFO 1
LAS 2
LGA 3
PHX 0 (has service now, so must be seasonal)
FLL 0 (same as PHX)
MCO 3
TPA 1
RSW 0 (same as PHX)

thats 23 flights to 11 cities...


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5434 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10257 times:



Quoting PVD757 (Reply 8):
thats 23 flights to 11 cities...

(I've been trying to post for several minutes and couldn't get it through.)

I (too) am a bit unclear here about the announcement. The article is mentioning the "current" FL schedule; does that refer to the currently flown schedule (as in February) or to the currently available summer schedule available now on the FL website, which already includes the summer-only routes to (at least) SAN and SEA? If they are comparing the current winter schedule to the already-existing summer schedule, then a lot of those 11 new flights are already known; and of course there will be more flights in the summer than in the winter...

In other words, will the announcement tomorrow of 11 "new" departures really be "new" or will that number include those seasonal flights already known to be starting in May?

bb


User currently offlineVivavegas From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 505 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10066 times:



Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 1):
I would be surprised to see FL enter the MSP or DTW market from MKE right now.

My birdy has told me ONE city is a new short haul city. Thats why I am leaning MSP.

Quoting LV (Reply 2):
Branson, Missouri?

See http://www.flybranson.com/ - BBG/BKG will have an exclusive for the time being with AirTran, from what people tell me is AirTran will have service to ATL (announced), BWI, MDW and maybe MKE.

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 8):
thats 23 flights to 11 cities...


However you slice it, it will be 30 "daily" departures.

Just back from lunch in the Layton viewing area, sad, sad how MKE has become an RJ Capital. Only "real" plane were a Citrus 717 arrival and departure.

Craig
MKE/UES



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10028 times:



Quoting Vivavegas (Reply 10):
My birdy has told me ONE city is a new short haul city. Thats why I am leaning MSP.

IND might be possible too... If they couldnt make MDW-MSP work, I wonder if theyd try MSP-MKE. it can also help their IND mini focus.



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User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10019 times:

The scuttlebut was that Fl was adding flights to business destinations. My guess would be DEN, IAH, SAT and some more East coast flighs that could connect with a one a day international city as well as the regular summertime cities like SEA which my guess will go to year around now.

MSP and DTW will be later on.

Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineVivavegas From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 505 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9987 times:



Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 12):
My guess would be DEN

Would they want to rock the Frontier love fest they have going?

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 12):

MSP and DTW will be later on.

FL is still looking at giving DL/NW the bird at any time, this would just be another opportunity.

Craig
MKE



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User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9945 times:



Quoting Vivavegas (Reply 13):
Would they want to rock the Frontier love fest they have going?

I would think that the DEN flights would be a bit different flight times mid morning and early afternoon to fill in the missing Frontier flights. Frontier has two flights a day. Early morning and late early evening.

Quoting Vivavegas (Reply 13):
FL is still looking at giving DL/NW the bird at any time, this would just be another opportunity

This is true but I am not sure that this will happen yet. Maybe a bit more passenger base build up first. I will not rule it out but my gut tells me not these two cities just yet.

Something tells me that SAT is on the list, now I have no inside information just a feeling that I have.

Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2389 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9945 times:



Quoting Vivavegas (Reply 13):
Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 12):

MSP and DTW will be later on.

FL is still looking at giving DL/NW the bird at any time, this would just be another opportunity.

As if all those NW elites just can't wait to leave? Why would they?


User currently offlineJlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9923 times:

I know this is from left field, but how about PHL? Midwest seemed to do well on this route for years, and now all non-stops are on CRJs. Just adding to the conversation. John.


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5434 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9777 times:



Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 12):
as well as the regular summertime cities like SEA which my guess will go to year around now.

I would hope and expect that the newly-seasonal service to SAN (from both MKE and ATL) will go year-'round before SEA. I just don't know what the overall winter traffic to/from MKE is really like but I suppose eventually there would be an increase in year-round service.

Quoting Vivavegas (Thread starter):
The increase to 30 daily departures will come this summer, during the peak travel season.



Quoting PVD757 (Reply 8):
The June schedule shows this...23 flights to 11 cities...

So it looks to me like there will really be 7 new MKE flights announced for the summer; 4 are already scheduled and bookable but will be included in the announcement.

I say about 3 or 4 new destinations (from MKE anyway) and the rest will be increased frequency in existing markets.

bb


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3404 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9746 times:



Quoting Jlbmedia (Reply 16):
I know this is from left field, but how about PHL? Midwest seemed to do well on this route for years, and now all non-stops are on CRJs. Just adding to the conversation. John.

I don't know, FL has pretty much all but abandoned PHL with just ATL and MCO left. They are sitting on 3 or 4 gates I believe unless the city has already taken them back. So if they really want to keep the gates from competitors well then PHL could be a long shot but I doubt it.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9728 times:



Quoting Jlbmedia (Reply 16):
I know this is from left field, but how about PHL? Midwest seemed to do well on this route for years, and now all non-stops are on CRJs.

PHL-MKE could very well give FL something it BADLY needs out of PHL... a more logical, alternative connection airport to non-East Coast cities and it accomplishes this WITHOUT getting in WN's shadow (something they seem to be avoiding as of late) with regards to nonstops.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6608 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9678 times:

In the presentation that FL gave last week at the Raymond James investors conference, MKE-CUN was on the route map but I don't believe its been announced yet.

User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9649 times:

MKE CUN is currently operated as charters.

User currently onlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1541 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9527 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 11):
IND might be possible too... If they couldnt make MDW-MSP work, I wonder if theyd try MSP-MKE. it can also help their IND mini focus.

This is what I was thinking too, that they might be a little gun-shy after MSP-MDW failed miserably. But I think MKE would at least do better than MDW. Will MKE have more east coast connections than MDW had?



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User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1142 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9496 times:



Quoting PVD757 (Reply 8):
RSW 0

RSW is 1x week Sat. Only during Summer.

Quoting Jlbmedia (Reply 16):
I know this is from left field, but how about PHL? Midwest seemed to do well on this route for years, and now all non-stops are on CRJs. Just adding to the conversation. John.

I think that could definitely be a possibility. MKE-PHL on YX has been strong for years, and this could start to cripple YX ever more by going after more of their heavy markets (LGA, so on..) . Keep in mind that not only would they be going after YX, US is on that route with I think 2x RJs.



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User currently offlineStarAlliance38 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1445 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9417 times:

How about PHF? The only other two airlines there is US and DL. FL serves FLL, BOS, LGA, ATL, and MCO. I would love for FL to connect MKE and PHF. Also, it is the airport with the lowest airfares in VA. A great alternative to ORF  Sad. Go PHF Big grin


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25 Steeler83 : I don't see how PHL-MKE would not work either. Right now YX and US run the show, but with CRJs primarily. According to faremeasure.com, 380 people O&
26 Vatveng : I would say unlikely unless MKE somehow grows into a full-blown hub, which I don't see happening. I don't see CAK happening either but it's more like
27 Mke717spotter : Excellent, hopefully that will drive down NW's outrageously high fares on those routes to a much more manageable price. As for the rest of the routes
28 OzarkD9S : 2x STL would be nice, but I'm certainly not holding my breath on that one.
29 Mikey711MN : Here's my guesses... (new service in bold) ATL 4x BWI 3x BOS 2x DFW 1x IND 1x - timed for west coast connections LAS 2x LAX 2x LGA 3x MSP 3x - thus se
30 Wedgetail737 : Considering that YX is no longer a player in the SEA-MKE route, I'm still waiting for FL to provide year-round service to SEA.
31 MOBflyer : I wouldn't hold my breath either, but it is one of the highest yielding markets in the country. Might be a consideration if FL actually wants to make
32 MKE22 : The problem YX had is low loads in the winter months. For about 7 months or more, loads are fairly strong, but loads dropped off. Not to say the rout
33 Cubsrule : MSP-MDW connected a lot of people to Boston, Charlotte, and Florida, though. Still, I don't see it. MSP-MDW was an abysmal performer (I'm not sure th
34 MAH4546 : I'll say it then: SEA-MKE is not viable year-round. AirTran doesn't even fly to SEA from Atlanta year-round.[Edited 2009-02-09 17:59:36]
35 Knope2001 : I'll hazard my own guess, just to be on the record before it comes out: New additions: 2 DEN 2 RDU 2 MCI Alerady scheduled for summer 4 ATL 2 BOS 3 LG
36 Mkeflyer717 : My final guess before the official announcement: DEN 2X SAT or DFW 2x MSP 2x RDU 1x Will the addition of these flights mean that FL will acquire more
37 Pilotfox : I've heard talk of MSP and STL. I say MSP STL DEN
38 Legacytravel : What if the State of Wi came forward and offered incentives to open a hub here. Subsidize landing fees etc... With the piss poor economy here any job
39 MKENut : I think MKE - SEA could work year-round if it is timed with connecting traffic from ATL and BWI during the winter months.
40 Legacytravel : What time is the news conference. This is all over the news here in MKE today. Mark
41 MSYtristar : MKE-MSY-CUN...oh yeah. This should be an interesting announcement. Hopefully most of this service will be year-round and not seasonal.
42 Mikey711MN : Just a quick question on the Q400's...can those make the MKE-DEN run? That is, if there is merit to the theory of the Lynx planes flying routes in the
43 PHLBOS : IIRC, the DOA (Division of Aviation) has not yet asked FL to surrender its extra gates (they presently have 4, D12, D14, D15 & D16). However, there's
44 Vivavegas : It is loaded. STL MSP DEN BKG (Branson) TPA ATL SAN SEA LAX BWI LGA BOS LAS MCO
45 Post contains links Mikey711MN : While I was way off, it's good to see STL and MSP make the list. To certain extents, DEN surprises me, but it's not like FL didn't already have a sta
46 MSYtristar : Well, I don't know about BKG, but STL/MSP/DEN seem like good additions. I didn't really expect SAT to be added as some mentioned...not much O&D betwe
47 Mke717spotter : How many flights for each city?
48 Knope2001 : So far I find 2x STL 1x DEN 1x MSP 1x BKG With 23 flights already scheduled for summer, if none of those was scaled back that brings us to 28. That w
49 Legacytravel : Maybe an additional frequency to LAS?? Just a thought. Mark in MKE[Edited 2009-02-10 06:35:20]
50 Pilotfox : Dang, I was one city short. Anyways I guess the announcement will be at 10:30am CST.
51 Knope2001 : I think they have deliberately not updated the MKE schedules yet so as not to lose any of their thunder. So an added MKE-ATL, or MKE-LAS might not sh
52 Legacytravel : I look forward to it. Thanks for the update. Mark in MKE
53 USPIT10L : It's BBG for Branson, MO. Just so we all know.
54 Post contains links Vivavegas : The FAA has assigned BKG to Missouri’s Branson Airport, the first privately developed and operated commercial service airport in the U.S., for thos
55 Cubsrule : Interesting that this is the new route they've tried at St. Louis (after STL-Florida's failure, I didn't necessarily expect anything more), and it'll
56 RL757PVD : 2x for STL isnt bad, but the 1x to MSP suprises me. Best place for a 1x I would think to be PHL.
57 MrSTL : Looks like STL-MCO, goes 1x daily at the end of May. I assume STL-MKE will offer some connecting service opportunites.[Edited 2009-02-10 07:58:03]
58 Knope2001 : Remember that this isn't the official word yet...maybe they have another trip out there someplace. Might be jumping the gun. But so far there's only
59 MKENut : I think MSP needs more frequency to be successful from MKE. Connecting traffic with competitive fares will be key.
60 Mikey711MN : It's 3x daily, which would round out the number to 30 nonstops per day ex-MKE: MKE-MSP 731 6:45 AM 8:00 AM 735 12:15 PM 1:30 PM 599 4:00 PM 5:15 PM M
61 Cubsrule : It will, but (except for Branson), STL has nonstop mainline service to every city that FL serves ex-MKE. That means that if FL connects anyone, the y
62 Post contains links Pilotfox : AirTran to add nonstop flights to St. Louis, Minneapolis, Denver, Branson, Mo. http://www.jsonline.com/business/39370407.html
63 Mke717spotter : It would certainly surprise me if STL ends up having more frequency than MSP. As for Branson, I guess they've got me scratching my head a bit over tha
64 Cubsrule : If Milwaukeeans want that sort of destination, it seems like it's far easier for them to get in the car and drive to Wisconsin Dells. When I lived in
65 Post contains links SANFan : And here's the p r directly from FL (containing more details): http://pressroom.airtran.com/phoenix...-newsArticle&ID=1255082&highlight= While SFO and
66 Quickmover : WN will be starting LGA service soon with the slots FL currently is leasing from ATA (Southwest). How will FL maintain MKE-LGA service when they lose
67 Cubsrule : I don't know how much difference that makes. YX/NW are still at a massive frequency advantage-- what's different from MDW-MSP?
68 Knope2001 : That makes far more sense than 1x. Still will be a challenge versus 12 northbound / 13 southbound nonstops on NW + YX, but a much more workable sched
69 Vivavegas : This should make people happy - "St. Louis $59 $159 $268" I have had clients pay north of $800 for the hour flight on a AE ERJ. Those MKE-MSP fares ha
70 TVNWZ : Didn't know there was any demand. Live and learn.
71 Timaay419 : disregard this post filler[Edited 2009-02-10 09:39:15]
72 Boeing 777-400 : Personally I think its killing two birds with one stone. Seems smart to switch some planes off underperforming routes to take advantage of Midwest's c
73 Timaay419 : When I lived in St. Louis, I didn't know anyone going to Branson. It's the Bible Belt's version of Vegas, from what I understand. I can't seem to und
74 King : I too do not understand the appeal of Branson, but lots of people visit it. It had over 8 million visitors last year. It's not Vegas, and maybe that'
75 Rampart : Probably isn't. Yet. But as exclusive airline to BBG for now, it's in their best interest to promote that demand. I see it as an experiment. Similar
76 RL757PVD : Branson, MO is actually close enough to the XNA area where it may pull some leisure traffic from them, since that region is starved for low fares. Its
77 Timaay419 : Very wise words. A little less nudity and a little more purity? Boring.
78 Mkeflyer717 : Great News! I'll be very satisfied with this new service and may take advantage of the low fares myself to STL and MSP to visit some college friends t
79 Timaay419 : People on the west coast won't be flying to BKG, anyway.
80 Atrude777 : Wow, I actually had a sneaky suspicion that STL-MKE would be started by Air Tran when they announced this MKE expansion. I definetly may try this rout
81 Af773atmsp : Will FL be using a 737 or 717 on MSP-MKE?
82 FlyPNS1 : My take: DEN - should do ok since its only summer peak and if they get closer to F9 (i.e. codeshare), it could feed nicely MSP - this one will be toug
83 FL787 : Right now it's showing 2 717s and 1 73G when it goes to three daily. It starts with two 717s.
84 MKE22 : " target=_blank>http://www.jsonline.com/business/393....html Well not only are they going after the new DL in the way of MSP, but it also mentioned t
85 Atrude777 : Off faremeasure.com... On average, 156 passengers travel the 317 miles between St. Louis, MO and Milwaukee, WI each day. # American Airlines not only
86 MUWarriors : Anyone have a handy link, or be able to post the schedule? I'm on lunch, and would be interested in checking that out. Thanks.
87 Exaauadl : Vegas if Ned Flanders ran it. I would bet that AA pulls out of STL-MKE. They wont respond.
88 MKE22 : Now that you bring that up, it kind of surprises me that FL started MKE-DEN should they do a code-share. There are now 4 airlines on MKE-DEN, so why
89 FlyPNS1 : But this market should be subject to some fare stimulation as average fares right now are ridiculously high for such a short route. Right now, that's
90 Buddys747 : Good to see FL expand, this should make MKE happy! I was hoping to see MDT on the list. It would give good connections to central and the west, since
91 Cubsrule : AA would be stupid to do anything until they see whether STL-MKE lasts past the summer. With the yields they enjoy, they can probably make up quite a
92 FL787 : I've been checking connections MSP-MKE-XXX and I can barely find any. SEA, SFO, and SAN can't connect. BOS, LAX, LGA, BWI, LAS, STL, and MCO all invol
93 Mikey711MN : WN may have beaten them to the punch here, but the yields on STL-MSP are incredible too! (in the presence of both AA and NW/DL offering nonstop servi
94 Cubsrule : Of course, flying people on short flights for $0.16 a mile isn't a good way to make money. The MSP-STL yields are destined to suck, too, since the sc
95 Mariner : I doubt the two airlines are even thinking about coordinating flights yet, but Airtran's MKE-DEN late-morning flight fits in well with the Frontier s
96 Atrude777 : It seems WN offers 107 one way STL-MDW-MSP versus FL's 99 OW. Fares range from 107-248 for the wanna get away fare. So right now FL is cheaper. Alex
97 FlyPNS1 : I doubt that FL is counting on getting a lot of MSP-MKE-STL traffic. Sure they'll publish fares, but it's not the primary goal.
98 Cubsrule : I hope you're right. Considering the load factors at their last midwestern focus city, though, they likely won't be turning many people away.
99 Slcdeltarumd11 : I don't think AA will fight at all. They seem to just not care about STL anymore. Sad but true. Its a real shame they bought TWA.
100 Knope2001 : Connectivity at Milwaukee for STL seems relatively decent and deliberate. But MSP is definitely not timed fur many connections. Considering there are
101 Cubsrule : I have a hard time believing they're really looking for connections to STL; that's a recipe for horrendous yields given the nonstop competition (some
102 YXwatcherMKE : Well Air Tran Grows once again. If NW was still an independent airline they would not be very happy with this news. They were very protective of their
103 YXwatcherMKE : the state of Wisconsin give incentives to business, come on now I know you live in WI you should know better than that. It would be nice but not with
104 TVNWZ : What makes you say that? Since MKE is one of the biggest Elite heavy cities in the system why would they not defend it?
105 MUWarriors : Well there is still the property tax exemption (or decrease) for airlines that have a hub here. The law defines hub as 45 flights per day in the prev
106 MKENut : I was trying to remember the specifics of this also. Midwest was threatening to move HQ's to a different state if Wisconsin didn't come up with some
107 Legacytravel : My whole point exactly. He needs go as of yesterday. I do not know where FL has their mx facilities at but it would be nice if they would approach if
108 Cubsrule : ATL, BWI, DFW, FLL, MCO, TPA
109 TVNWZ : Really? TPA has an empty DL hanger and now Pemco has moved into the old US hanger. Or are you just talking company mechanics?
110 FL787 : I also can't figure out why they are not timing MSP better than this. Its not going to have much of a better chance than MDW with what it has now. It
111 FL787 : It now shows all 717s in case anyone wanted to know.
112 Cubsrule : That's exactly right. I don't know what the hangar situation is; my source (the annual report) didn't get into real estate.
113 Knope2001 : The times on the west coast flights can't move much because the planes fly routes like BOS-MKE-SAN-MKE-BOS. They leave the east coast around 6:30am a
114 FL787 : I found that odd as well. I don't know why you wouldn't at least offer it. Honestly I don't like its chances just on O&D. But that's not going to sto
115 MKENut : It was just reported on the local news tonight in Milwaukee that AirTran is asking for more gates at MKE. Airport officials are going to work with oth
116 Pilotfox : I've noticed the other day they were using C17 for departures.
117 MKENut : I still think they will get Delta's gates when they move to E Concourse.
118 Post contains images Mikey711MN : That makes a lot of sense. For those unfamiliar with the hammerhead in concourse C, that's right next door to their current bank of gates C22-C25: Th
119 Smcmac32msn : Thats pretty impressive they are using a non-existent gate. Gates C9, C11, and C15 are the only 3 gates on the south-east side of concourse C before
120 Mke717spotter : You guys bring up the topic of FL creating a MX base in MKE, what about the old Skyway hanger in Northwest corner of the airport? Now I know that it w
121 Mikey711MN : Good question...but if YX is parting with their 717's, do they need their maintenance facility any more? -Mike
122 Vivavegas : I was just checking that facility up the other day, I do believe it would require some modifications to accommodate 717/737's. Floor space of that fa
123 TVNWZ : apparently, from Cubsrule's research, FL does not need a hanger to have a maintainence base. Light maintainence?
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