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User currently offlineJU101 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 832 posts, RR: 3
Posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5555 times:

I would also like to ask about the short-lived company, "Greyhound Air"... what forced them to leave the airline market that quickly, and stay to its traditional bus transportation services?

Can someone give information concerning "Greyhound Air", and what were the major problems it faced. As I am aware, that company were operating only second-hand DC-9's.

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User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2461 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5529 times:

Greyhound Air never operated DC-9s at all. It had a few 727-200s, operating mainly on routes such as Calgary-Hamilton, Edmonton-Hamilton, Calgary-Vancouver. It was intended to be a discount airline like WestJet, except it was meant to supplement bus routes since Canada is a very large country to travel across.

Greyhound Air was scrapped by Laidlaw in September, 1997, the same company that owns Greyhound Canada after operating for only a year. And business was brisk. Why? Because Laidlaw's shareholders didn't want to be in the airline business and they felt that this airline was losing too much money despite good load factors and passenger number predictions. Hundreds of passengers got stranded almost without warning. This meant that a discount airline got shot down by a few filthy rich investors who didn't have to worry about AC and CP's high fares at the expense of so many passengers who otherwise cannot afford to fly! The very least that Laidlaw could have done was to sell Greyhound Air to another capable owner.

Fortunately, there already was a new and aggressive Calgary-based discount carrier with an expanding 737 fleet in green, black and white colors...

User currently offlineJU101 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 832 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5523 times:

Thank you for your information. It was interesting that even with fair success the company's airline sector was scrapped, because of investors.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 30408 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5496 times:

They had the greatest paper ad thought.....

That greyhound dog with his leg lifted on the competitors aircraft's nosewheel

 Laugh out loud


User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5472 times:

Laidlaw owns all of Greyhound.

User currently offlinePlanenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5472 times:

Interestingly, Greyhound Air, nor its parent company Laidlaw, owned or operated the aircraft. All of the 727s were owned and operated by a company called Kelowna Flightcraft, based in Kelowna, British Columbia. The pilots and flight crews were all employed by Kelowna Flightcraft. So, essentially, Greyhound Air was never "its own" airline. I always thought that this arrangement was a little bizarre.

There were a couple of great adds though. One, showed a Greyhound dog lifting its leg on the front landing gear of an airplane with the caption: "We're starting to mark new territory." It appeared in newspapers all over Canada and was hilarious.

User currently offlineAC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5451 times:

Greyhound was started in 1996 with Kelowna Flighcraft operating the 727-200 aircraft, and Greyhound Lines of Canada selling the tickets. It was hubbed through Winnipeg, with 4 banks of connecting flights per day (2 westbound, 2 eastbound), and also a small number of other nonstop flights. In addition to Winnipeg they served Vancouver, Kelowna, Calgary, Edmonton, Hamilton, Toronto and Ottawa. In 1997 Laidlaw bought Greyhound Lines, but weren't interested in the airline. This is unfortunate, as for although they were expecting to lose money over the next winter, they were quite profitable in the summertime. I don't have loads for the other stations, but I do know that in the month before they shut down their Hamilton loads were 91%. Essentially it was a good airline that Laidlaw just wasn't interested in continuing (conventional knowledge is that "there's no money in the airline industry" - ironically, although Greyhound is a money-maker, some of Laidlaw's other diversification efforts have been disasters...)

Note that Kelowna Flightcraft is the company that flies 727F's for Purolator Courier in Canada.

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