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LH Cancels 2nd Daily FRA-BOS (April)  
User currently offlineEnginebird From United States of America, joined May 2007, 342 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7133 times:

Just got a call from LH that the later of the two daily flights BOS-FRA has been cancelled effective in spring and that I will have to be rebooked.

Why did they cancel the later of the two flights (2100ish) instead of the earlier (1600ish) flight? This does no longer allow for a full day of work/business/whatever in BOS.

Has LH cancelled other TATL flights to downsize?

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User currently offlineCyba From Cape Verde, joined Nov 2005, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7070 times:

Probably because the late flight operates in summer only. So they must have decided to postpone the introduction of the 2nd flight (still showing in Amadeus for the summer) and maintain the year-round flight as is. Makes sense to me esp as this flight allows more connections in FRA.

User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8360 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6701 times:



Quoting Enginebird (Thread starter):
Why did they cancel the later of the two flights (2100ish) instead of the earlier (1600ish) flight? This does no longer allow for a full day of work/business/whatever in BOS.

The early flight operates year round so clearly it is the preferred flight. It may not allow you for a full day in Boston but it provides far more and better connecting possibilities at FRA. I suspect that the O&D traffic between FRA and BOS is minor and that most passengers on that flight are connecting in FRA to some other destination. Also, in the Summer we get an A330 to MUC which in itself has a lot of connections to European destinations. So although BOS is losing 1 flight when compared to previous Summers, it's really not losing much compared to the Winter season.


User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6504 times:

So the flight that operates year round is B747 right? And the second one during the summer will be A346?

Last summer (probably late august I think it was) both were A340s, I took the earlier flight which ended up being the A346.

I personally hope the B747 stays year round. (for nonrev reasons of course  Wink)



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User currently offlineCaspritz78 From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6409 times:

No, in the winter FRA-BOS is served by a 747-400. In the summer the early flight was a A340-600 and the later one was a A340-300.

I fly this route regulary and last summer both flights plus the MUC-BOS flight were almost ervery time overbooked and they had to look for people to VDB. During the summer the number of people flying for vacation to Boston, New England Area and East Coat is unbelievable high but it seems LH already noticed a decline in bookings and that's why they probably canceled the second flight.

Anyway this really s**ks. I hate the early flight. It leaves BOS too early to get some sleep during the flight and arrives around 5am at FRA when you just start to get tired. The late flight is way better. You get dinner somewhere downtown BOS so you can skip dinner on board, go to the airport, sleep on the plane and arrive at a decent time in FRA.


User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4022 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6223 times:



Quoting Enginebird (Thread starter):
Why did they cancel the later of the two flights (2100ish) instead of the earlier (1600ish) flight? This does no longer allow for a full day of work/business/whatever in BOS.

Not to mention you arrive in Frankfurt at a really bad hour. Way too early. I guess if I want Star Alliance miles I must now take Swiss (much nicer service, anyway, although pricier).

Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 3):
So the flight that operates year round is B747 right? And the second one during the summer will be A346?

As someone said, during the summer first one was an A340-600, second one a A340-300.



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User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 790 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6209 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 2):
I suspect that the O&D traffic between FRA and BOS is minor and that most passengers on that flight are connecting in FRA to some other destination.

I think this is incorrect - BOS has a bunch of O&D from FRA and Germany overall. If not, then you would not have ever seen doubly daily LH flights from FRA and a MUC flight, as well. There is financial O&D between the cities and, as stated above, Germans love the Boston and New England areas.


User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3242 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6150 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 2):
The early flight operates year round so clearly it is the preferred flight.

...and it's a pain in the a$$!!! It leaves BOS at 430pm, which is too early and doesn't allow me to catch it after work (and it leaves too early to actually get any sleep on it). Also, it gets into FRA at 530am local, which is before midnight on the east coast, i.e., it arrives when I'm supposed to be going to bed but I have to survive a full day without having slept much on the plane. It always gives me the jetlag from Hell. I have been known to fly BOS to FRA on either Swiss (via ZRH) or AC (via YYZ and/r YUL) to be able to catch a later flight (sadly, AC just cancelled the 10pm YYZ -> FRA flight too).

I used to love the late LH flight to FRA in the summer and been on it many times; it's unfortunate they canned it.

Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 3):
So the flight that operates year round is B747 right? And the second one during the summer will be A346?

They keep changing it... Originally (at least since I moved to the Boston area in 2002) the early flight was A340 and got changed to two A340s in the summer. Then, the early flight in the winter became B744, with two A340s in the summer. But, since then I've seen B744 / A340 / A346 in the summer. And B744 (with the occasional A340) in the winter. It's actually hard to predict some times.

Quoting Caspritz78 (Reply 4):

Anyway this really s**ks. I hate the early flight. It leaves BOS too early to get some sleep during the flight and arrives around 5am at FRA when you just start to get tired. The late flight is way better. You get dinner somewhere downtown BOS so you can skip dinner on board, go to the airport, sleep on the plane and arrive at a decent time in FRA.

I so agree with you... I'm glad I'm not the only one who's annoyed with the early flight (at least LH recently changed the FRA to BOS time to leave at 1230pm instead of 1030am).

Tony



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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3242 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6135 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 2):
I suspect that the O&D traffic between FRA and BOS is minor and that most passengers on that flight are connecting in FRA to some other destination.



Quoting Bartond (Reply 6):
I think this is incorrect - BOS has a bunch of O&D from FRA and Germany overall.

I think Airbazar is more right here. Once after flying BOS to FRA (on a totally full B744) I went to collect my luggage in FRA and there were about 15-20 at the luggage reclaim area (the luggage took about an hour to arrive so, yes, I think I saw everyone who waited for their luggage that day). I assume that some passengers had just carry-ons (I usually do!), but I'd guess that most passengers were connecting...

Tony



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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6093 times:

Not to split hairs, but the flight hasn't been cancelled, only delayed by roughly a month. LH420/421 will begin ops for the season on 2 May 2009 and operates until 23 October 2009. So, while not operating the entire summer schedule that begins usually on the last weekend of March, it will start about 5 weeks later and run until the introduction of the winter 09/10 schedule.

The current schedule for most of the summer is as follows according to info on LH's website:

LH422
Depart: FRA 12:45
Arrive: BOS 14:30
Equip: 747-400

LH424
Depart: MUC 15:50
Arrive: BOS 18:15
Equip: A340-300

LH420 (Effective 2 May 2009)
Depart: FRA 18:10
Arrive: BOS 20:15
Equip: EQV
________________________________________________________________________
LH423
Depart: BOS 16:30
Arrive: FRA 05:20
Equip: 747-400

LH425
Depart: BOS 20:01
Arrive: MUC
Equip: A340-300

LH421
Depart: BOS 22:00
Arrive: FRA 11:05
Equip: EQV

LH423



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User currently offlineDABVF From Germany, joined Sep 2004, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5991 times:



Quoting LH423 (Reply 9):
LH420 (Effective 2 May 2009)
Depart: FRA 18:10
Arrive: BOS 20:15
Equip: EQV

EQV = 2/7 A333 + 5/7 A343


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8360 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5153 times:



Quoting Caspritz78 (Reply 4):
Anyway this really s**ks. I hate the early flight. It leaves BOS too early to get some sleep during the flight and arrives around 5am at FRA when you just start to get tired. The late flight is way better. You get dinner somewhere downtown BOS so you can skip dinner on board, go to the airport, sleep on the plane and arrive at a decent time in FRA.

I hate the early departure too. That's one reason why I've been taking NW lately. I love NW's late AMS flight.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 5):
I guess if I want Star Alliance miles I must now take Swiss

You'll have to pay for it though. In my experience LX is typically the most expensive of the TATL carriers from BOS.

Quoting Bartond (Reply 6):
I think this is incorrect - BOS has a bunch of O&D from FRA and Germany overall. If not, then you would not have ever seen doubly daily LH flights from FRA and a MUC flight, as well. There is financial O&D between the cities and, as stated above, Germans love the Boston and New England areas.

It would make absolutely no sense to have such an early departure from BOS other than connections in FRA. That early in the morning not only do you get really good intra-Europe connections but there is also a good selection of Asian departures.


User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4022 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5054 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 11):
Quoting Pyrex (Reply 5):
I guess if I want Star Alliance miles I must now take Swiss

You'll have to pay for it though. In my experience LX is typically the most expensive of the TATL carriers from BOS.

Yep (or at least one of them). You can try booking through United, though - not only are they sometimes cheaper than anyone else on the route (including LH and LX!) but given that they don't actually operate it with their metal you don't take the risk of actually having to fly them. Big grin If you choose your times correctly you might sometimes find cheap LX flights (works with LIS sometimes, anyway).



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8360 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4425 times:



Quoting Pyrex (Reply 12):
Yep (or at least one of them). You can try booking through United, though - not only are they sometimes cheaper than anyone else on the route (including LH and LX!) but given that they don't actually operate it with their metal you don't take the risk of actually having to fly them.

Know it too well. I've done that with LH a few times: fly with LH but booked on a UA flt# for a lot less money  Smile


User currently offlineLufthansa411 From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 692 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3784 times:



Quoting LH423 (Reply 9):
Not to split hairs, but the flight hasn't been cancelled, only delayed by roughly a month. LH420/421 will begin ops for the season on 2 May 2009 and operates until 23 October 2009. So, while not operating the entire summer schedule that begins usually on the last weekend of March, it will start about 5 weeks later and run until the introduction of the winter 09/10 schedule.

Actually that makes a lot of sense. The summer loads do not really pick up in Boston until the "commencement" season at the universities begins. Starting the flights a month later will allow the parents of the international students from abroad to get to Boston/leave Boston, but because the loads are so seasonal, it will allow all 3 of the flights from day 1 to be full, instead of a month or so of flying 3 half empty a/c to Boston.



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User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2386 times:



Quoting Bartond (Reply 6):
I think this is incorrect - BOS has a bunch of O&D from FRA and Germany overall. If not, then you would not have ever seen doubly daily LH flights from FRA and a MUC flight, as well. There is financial O&D between the cities and, as stated above, Germans love the Boston and New England areas.

There is good demand between BOS and MUC, and good premium demand, which is why the flight went year round and it operated with a premium 737.

So essentially LH is just pushing back the start of the 2nd daily BOS-FRA flight from early April to early May?


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