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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3374 posts, RR: 9
Posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9598 times:

Sorry if this has already been discussed!

Airbus' Jan order update can in late last week and included 4 A321s for TK and 12 cancellations:

3 A318
2 A319
3 A320
4 A321

Anyone with a better memory for me identify any of the cancellations - didn't US have some A318s on order that have now gone?

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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9281 times:

Let's hope net orders for the year are positive for both Airbus and Boeing. However, with the huge order backlogs, it would not be a surprise if net orders for the year end up negative for Airbus or Boeing or both.

User currently offlineJdevora From Spain, joined Aug 2006, 351 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9264 times:

Hi,

After comparing the Dec and Jan spreadsheets those cancellations are:
AERVENTURE 2 A319 3 A320
US Airways 3 A318
Kingfisher Airlines 4 A321

Cheers
JD


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3374 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8999 times:

Thanks - thought that the A318s were for US.

I think that there's probably a 50:50 chance of one of them ending up negative the year - hope not !


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2735 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7653 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 3):
I think that there's probably a 50:50 chance of one of them ending up negative the year - hope not !

I don't know if we'll see a Net Negative from either manufacturer, but it's definitely not going to be a good year for either. Heard an interview from John Leahy a few days ago were he is only predicting @ 300-400 gross new orders this year for Airbus, max. So net, we could be in the 200 range. I'd imagine Boeing will be in the same boat.

What we will definitely be seeing is a lot of deferrals, which could very well turn into some white tails or aircraft stored by the manufacturers until such time as the customer can afford to take delivery.

If you've got money, now is the time to buy. Once ILFC's ownership situation gets settled, I'd expect a large order from them for both A and B.


Regards,

Hamlet69  profile 



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 960 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7653 times:



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 1):
Let's hope net orders for the year are positive for both Airbus and Boeing



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 3):
I think that there's probably a 50:50 chance of one of them ending up negative the year - hope not !

Has there ever been a year of negative orders in the past?

The economy is bad no doubt, but we're hardly on the edge of oblivion. Airlines are still going to keep planning for the future. FedEx placed an order just a while ago after deferring their 777F deliveries. RyanAir is looking at a massive expansion order. Things aren't as bleak as they seem, IMO.


User currently offlineFLALEFTY From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 440 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7532 times:

The US Airways A318 cancellations were hold-overs from the before the merger. As 737-300s/400s get taken out of service I expect they will order more A319/20s to replace them.

As for Kingfisher, they are just trying to stay afloat during this global economic recession. I hope they make it.


User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7497 times:



Quoting Jdevora (Reply 2):
Kingfisher Airlines 4 A321



Quoting FLALEFTY (Reply 6):
As for Kingfisher, they are just trying to stay afloat during this global economic recession. I hope they make it.

These 4 A321's are the ones that TK is taking delivery of now, isn't it?



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User currently offlineFLALEFTY From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 440 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7441 times:



Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 7):
These 4 A321's are the ones that TK is taking delivery of now, isn't it?

I think you are correct. Which shows that Airbus still has options to place cancelled planes (for now).


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6663 times:



Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 5):
Has there ever been a year of negative orders in the past?

No, but I don't believe the order backlogs have ever been so large.


User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9976 posts, RR: 96
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5622 times:
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Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 4):
If you've got money, now is the time to buy.

As evidenced by MOL coming off the pot....  Smile
Although "now is the time to buy" as a phrase implies that we are pretty near the bottom of the cycle.
And I'd have to say that MOL coming off the pot is possible reasonable evidence that he thinks the bottom of the market is close. Otherwise he (MOL) would still be sitting on his hands, I would have thought.  scratchchin 

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 5):
The economy is bad no doubt, but we're hardly on the edge of oblivion

FWIW I agree with you. I think that there's a strong risk that we all join the gross media in actively promoting a doomsday scenario to the point of self-fulfillmant.
I've seen several bits of evidence this month that the credit situation is already easing in the UK - some of which have affected me personally (to the good, I might add..).

 crossfingers 

Rgds


User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4624 times:



Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 4):
I don't know if we'll see a Net Negative from either manufacturer, but it's definitely not going to be a good year for either. Heard an interview from John Leahy a few days ago were he is only predicting @ 300-400 gross new orders this year for Airbus, max. So net, we could be in the 200 range. I'd imagine Boeing will be in the same boat.

The Paris Air show will not be that exciting as it was earlier. So this time around many of us can work with full concentration during the Air Show.  Big grin


User currently offlineMSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2280 times:

IIRC US has been converting the A318 deliveries to A320/321 aircraft.

MD


User currently offlineMSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

Meant to say orders not deliveries.

User currently offlineArabAirX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1919 times:



Quoting Aviationbuff (Reply 11):
The Paris Air show will not be that exciting as it was earlier.

I wonder how the Dubai Air Show later this year fares as well. In 2007, it did some record business.


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1907 times:



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 10):
I've seen several bits of evidence this month that the credit situation is already easing in the UK - some of which have affected me personally (to the good, I might add..).

But probably not from the Bank of England?? Or not yesterday at least.

I wonder how many roasted bankers it takes to buy one A320.


User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9976 posts, RR: 96
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1598 times:
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Quoting Baroque (Reply 15):
I wonder how many roasted bankers it takes to buy one A320.

You did say "bankers", didn't you?  Smile

Rgds


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