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BOB On All AA Flights To South America?  
User currently offlineLDIkaros From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 181 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 11088 times:

According to a thread on Flyertalk AA seems to discontinue free Y class meals on flights to South America, starting in March. There is some confusion, though, whether 'deep' South American countries such as Chile and Argentina are included.

Can somebody from AA provide some clarification? I have a trip to EZE coming up later this year and I would very much like to get a hot meal on the long US-EZE flights.

Thanks

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32776 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 11115 times:

Another huge step backwards for AA. No surprise there.

It is short-haul only. Does not include Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia, Chile, Peru and Uruguay.

[Edited 2009-02-10 18:22:08]


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User currently offlineLDIkaros From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 11084 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Another huge step backwards for AA. No surprise there.

It is short-haul only. Does not include Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia, Chile, Peru and Uruguay.

Thanks, MAH4546.

That's a relief.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8815 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 11082 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
It is short-haul only. Does not include Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia, Chile, Peru and Uruguay.

I do not think that CCS and MAR are going BOB as well.


User currently offlineAsuflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 11054 times:

Hopefully this will go a la United, that planned for BOB for Europe but it never when into effect after receiving many complaints from customers, so hopefully this will happen and AA will realize this change is a mistake.

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8368 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 10952 times:
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I can appreciate the food service to northern Latin america and at the fares AA charges. Pulling it is a real stinky move, after all these are still international flights.

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8815 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 10931 times:
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Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 5):

AA already sells BOB on some flights to Hawaii and plans to go cashless on board soon.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25321 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 10898 times:

I find it amazing many are crying about loosing a meal which just about every one agrees sucks anyways.

I'll happily take BOB, or ability the purchase my own food in the terminal any day.

Anyhow many of the flights in Latin America are shorter in distance then a US transcon which have had BOB for over 4 years now.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32776 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 10877 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):
I find it amazing many are crying about loosing a meal which just about every one agrees sucks anyways.

I'll happily take BOB, or ability the purchase my own food in the terminal any day.

Anyhow many of the flights in Latin America are shorter in distance then a US transcon which have had BOB for over 4 years now.

It is nonetheless a step below the competition. Every major South American carrier at MIA has hot meal service. Even Air France's 1h40m hop to Port Au Prince has a hot meal.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8815 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 10795 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
It is nonetheless a step below the competition.

It also means that there will be one less F/A needed on board some of the 752/763 operated flights as well.


User currently offlineVincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 10763 times:

Another shining example of US economic model (result: failure) by charging as much as they can and offer as little as possible to save penny (but in reality losing dollars). This is happening not only in airlines industry but plenty of other sectors are sharing this type of mentality, can we say "GREED"? I have no problem with such move if they drop the fares immediately by a large margin, but no, it's AA's bread and butter, what are they thinking? I guess people will just switch to TACA, or COPA.

[Edited 2009-02-10 20:28:57]

User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5269 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 10743 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3):
I do not think that CCS and MAR are going BOB as well.

Yes it looks like Colombia and Venezuela are also exempt.



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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4017 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 10713 times:
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Quoting OA412 (Reply 11):
Yes it looks like Colombia and Venezuela are also exempt.

The length of these flights are just are about the same as going from the US West Coast to ORD. Will this end up just affecting flights to the Carribean?
I hope DL doesn't go this route. They still offer full catering in both cabins to MEX, GDL and on some of their PVR, CUN etc as well as to Central & South America.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8815 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 10684 times:
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Quoting LACA773 (Reply 12):
Will this end up just affecting flights to the Carribean?

AA cut out meal service in Y to the Caribbean years ago. For example, MIA-POS-MIA and MIA-BGI-MIA have been BOB for years now; even though the flying times are longer than MIA-CCS-MIA and MIA-MAR-MIA. But that's a different story.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7595 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 10631 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 13):
AA cut out meal service in Y to the Caribbean years ago. For example, MIA-POS-MIA and MIA-BGI-MIA have been BOB for years now; even though the flying times are longer than MIA-CCS-MIA and MIA-MAR-MIA. But that's a different story.

What is more bothersome to me is that AA doesnt serve meals on DFW-HNL/OGG. DFW-HNL (westbound) is just about at long as DFW-LHR (eastbound). Not to mention, Ive flown DFW-HNL and DFW-LON numerous times and Ive always (no exception) paid more for DFW-HNL nonstop. Fares are obscenely high on the DFW-Hawaii nonstop flights.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
It is nonetheless a step below the competition. Every major South American carrier at MIA has hot meal service. Even Air France's 1h40m hop to Port Au Prince has a hot meal.

Of course it is Mark, but AA raised the white flag of surrender (in terms of service) a long time ago didnt they?  Wink

People like you and I still remain loyal to them because of their network and the their prescense in the Major cities in the US and the world, not because of their service.

Ill be the first to tell you if flying nonstop to the cities I frequent (DFW, LHR, NRT, and HKG) wasnt my first priority, I would fly no one but CO or foreign flags whenever I could.

Only CO has a chance in hell of meeting the same standard of the European carriers or a Latin American carrier like LAN (its the only Latin American Carrier Ive flown, so I cant compare the others).

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
It is short-haul only. Does not include Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia, Chile, Peru and Uruguay.



Quoting OA412 (Reply 11):
Yes it looks like Colombia and Venezuela are also exempt.

So which new routes and places will not get meals? In South America, I think that only leaves Equador.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8815 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 10562 times:
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Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):
What is more bothersome to me is that AA doesnt serve meals on DFW-HNL/OGG. DFW-HNL (westbound) is just about at long as DFW-LHR (eastbound). Not to mention, Ive flown DFW-HNL and DFW-LON numerous times and Ive always (no exception) paid more for DFW-HNL nonstop. Fares are obscenely high on the DFW-Hawaii nonstop flights.

I think AA should have a meal service on all flights to/from Hawaii. But I wasn't surprised that they ended up becoming BOB because of the lack of competition. Out of MIA, most international passengers EXPECT a meal service. Most of AA's competitors offer meal services on the very same routes that are AA BOB. However, at MIA AA offers connections, and I guess that their trade off.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):
Only CO has a chance in hell of meeting the same standard of the European carriers or a Latin American carrier like LAN (its the only Latin American Carrier Ive flown, so I cant compare the others).

The good thing is in South Florida we now have many options. I take LA to BOG, UIO, and GYE and BW to POS/BGI. But I have to say, the service has improved on the B772 operated flights to Southamerica and Europe. Now that MIA-MAD is a B772 operated flight, that's all I fly to Europe. It's nice not having to connect at LHR anymore.


User currently offlineJetjeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 10516 times:

How generous of AA I hope they have some form of food on transatlantic flights


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User currently offlineSSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1276 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 10480 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):
Ill be the first to tell you if flying nonstop to the cities I frequent (DFW, LHR, NRT, and HKG) wasn't my first priority, I would fly no one but CO or foreign flags whenever I could.

The relentless reduction in services seems driven by North American airlines. Can the poor service of American airlines be accountable for why on so many international routes the foreign competitor usually has twice as much capacity than the American player?

eg: Qantas has way more capacity to Australia from the West Coast than United, and Air France has way more capacity to Paris from LAX than the Americans.

I suppose it's an issue of American geography as well (more spread out) but that can't be the only reason. Somebody enlighten me. As I recall, at one time the foreign carriers came only into the largest American hubs, and so American airlines had the only flights from the secondary American international departure points, which evened the playing field somewhat, but that is not longer the case.



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10250 times:



Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 17):
which evened the playing field somewhat, but that is not longer the case.

"...evened the playing field..." in what respect, or relative to what, are you meaning?

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 15):
I think AA should have a meal service on all flights to/from Hawaii. But I wasn't surprised that they ended up becoming BOB because of the lack of competition. Out of MIA, most international passengers EXPECT a meal service

Yes, but one must remember that flights to Hawaii are domestic, not international.


User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3170 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10207 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):
I find it amazing many are crying about loosing a meal which just about every one agrees sucks anyways.

It's all part of the master plan!

1) Give the PAX food they don't like
2) Market research discovers that PAX aren't eating their meals
3) AA cuts meal service, because PAX don't want it in the first place



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User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4014 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9771 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
It is short-haul only. Does not include Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia, Chile, Peru and Uruguay.

If so, and it does not include Venezuela, then all that is left in South America that AA does serve is Ecuador and Colombia. So is that it? Is AA introducing BOB on flights to Colombia and Ecuador?



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User currently offlineCarls From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9752 times:



Quoting OA412 (Reply 11):
Yes it looks like Colombia and Venezuela are also exempt.

Well with the prices they are charging to MAR and CCS they should put only Business class seats. I don't see far away the day when AA goes out of business, let's see:
Bad Service, I would say that it is the worst, probably worst than Aero Sur. And I am talking about the service at the Counter and at the plane. With few exception I would say 75% of the Flight attendant act like they are doing you a favor, and I do not have any cientific study to support this, it is just my opinion based in what I have experienced.
The worst Business Class seats, compared to Avianca, TAM and LAN, just to mention few examples, AA is far below.
Unpunctuality at almost every flight from MAR and CCS.


User currently offlineAviationMaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2481 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9592 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):
I find it amazing many are crying about loosing a meal which just about every one agrees sucks anyways.

I'll happily take BOB, or ability the purchase my own food in the terminal any day.

I'd rather take a bad free meal over having to pay for a +$5 shitty BOB meal any day.


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8940 times:



Quoting Incitatus (Reply 20):
so, and it does not include Venezuela, then all that is left in South America that AA does serve is Ecuador and Colombia. So is that it? Is AA introducing BOB on flights to Colombia and Ecuador?

Looking at AA's website, it says:
"Coach Class Complimentary Food Service
Complimentary meal service is provided in the Main Cabin on Europe, Japan and Haiti flights that depart within traditional breakfast, lunch and dinner meal windows. On flights where only beverages are served, we invite you to visit any of the airport concessions and bring food purchases on board"

It does not make any other exceptions. Not "deep" South America, Nor Venezuela. Only Haiti in the region. In addition, at the top of the page, it says:

"Effective March 1, 2009, American will extend its in-flight food-for-sale program to the economy cabin on flights to Latin American countries and the Dominican Republic in lieu of the existing complimentary menu service"

http://www.aa.com/aa/i18nForward.do?...ght/dining/domesticMealService.jsp

So for what I read, the whole of Latin America will be BOB! I can understand it for a 3 or 4 hour flight, so long as fares policy is adjusted to remain competitive despite the lowering of service, but for an 8 o 9 hour flight, this is a very risky move.
If at least the BOB offer was good, and you could have a hot meal option reasonably priced, a healthy option, but what I see looks decidedly unappetising.

I would be quite happy to pay for a decent meal. I rather like Monarch's approach, where you can buy a 3 course hot meal (£6 -ike $10), as well as panini, sandwiches, and you get complimentary coffee or tea. But this is on a 2.5 hr flights where the competition are Ryanair and Easyjet -who only seem to sell overpriced bad sanwiches-. Fares are most of the ime very similar on the 3.

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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8872 times:
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Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 17):
The relentless reduction in services seems driven by North American airlines. Can the poor service of American airlines be accountable for why on so many international routes the foreign competitor usually has twice as much capacity than the American player?

I believe is one of the reasons only. The main reason is that, European airlines fly not only to US hubs, but also to other markets while only recently North American airlines focused in connect their hubs to secundary markets in Europe.
With this i believe they can offer more alternatives to both Europeans and North Americans while they offer a best service and product when fight for large O&D markets.



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25 LAXdude1023 : Unfortunately it looks like you may be right. I just spoke with our rep from AA and she says that shes been advised that it includes all of Latin Ame
26 Incitatus : That is a under a webpage entitled "North America and Caribbean Meal Service". South America is in neither. I know BOB is going into some AA flights
27 MAH4546 : BOB is being introduced on Central American services. Free meal service to all of South America, even short-haul, continues. Port of Spain is also co
28 LDIkaros : That is crazy. I have a free mileage ticket on AA from SFO to EZE. If AA really goes BOB all the way to South America from the West Coast I would rat
29 OA412 : Well if you make dummy bookings on AA.com it'll show you whether or not there will be meal service. For instance, MGA, SAP, etc. show BOB while place
30 Summa767 : So presumibly the Europe and Japan that ARE mentioned under that header are all in North America. or the Caribbean. The note on the dining changes fo
31 LipeGIG : If they do that in Brazil, Argentina and Chile for sure they will lose much more in revenue than they might believe BOB will generate.
32 LAXdude1023 : No, Mark is correct. I checked with two other people I know at AA and they confirmed that it is only Central American and the Carribiean. Frankly the
33 OA412 : Exactly and that's why UA's plan failed. Obviously this is moot but, all else being equal why fly an airline offering BOB when you can fly a competit
34 LAXdude1023 : After playing around with AA.com for a bit, I have noticed some interesting things (assuming its correct). Certain Central American routes are still s
35 SSTsomeday : I meant: What I recall perhaps 20 years ago, is while European carriers had a larger share of traffic to/from the largest American hubs, that at the
36 AA767400 : Ok, Let's not get dramatic here. All they are doing is taking off a very small pack of pretzels, and replacing it with BOB. No downgrade at all. The
37 Captaink : Some of those central american flights are only a bit longer than flights to Mexican Cities, which def don't offer meals. I didn't know they offered m
38 Post contains links LACA773 : Even horrendous TA offers meals on their redeye flights to CA! Come on. Is AA wanting to become a LCC? To keep any of this from happening do what UA
39 MAH4546 : This is an improvement for AA. They are going from no meals to BOB. Dallas and LAX flights to Central America will still have meal service. Flights f
40 SCL767 : Flights to Hawaii are considered "international" due to the fact that only international crews work on these flights. Only flights that are over 4 ho
41 Carls : I think they are already an ULCC in service, but not in price....bad conbination!!!
42 LAXdude1023 : Im not sure you understand whats going on. Whats actually happening is that AA is putting BOB products on flights that had none and only removing mea
43 SCL767 : LOL, I just booked MIA-MXP (via JFK) for $498, MIA-SCL is also on sale as well, and it never goes on sale...
44 Carls : Good for you, I recently flew from FRA to MIA, and then from MIA to MAR. I flew in LH FRA to MIA, and then MIA MAR in AA, my ticket in LH which is 9
45 SCL767 : It makes perfect sense due to the fact that AA and SBA are the only carriers that operate between these two cities, (and also the only flights to the
46 Scipio : Nothing surprising here. AA continues its strenuous, relentless efforts to make it clear that they are, by far, the worst airline in the world.
47 LAXdude1023 : Im not sure you understand whats actually going on. As I said earlier:
48 Flyfree727 : WOW.. you place a very large dollar amount on the in - flight food if you expect fares to drop by a large margin if meals are dropped.. I would guess
49 DocLightning : Actually, it's unsafe. Unless AA is planning on offering free refrigerator space to pax, you cannot keep food fresh at room temperature. I'm a compet
50 LAXdude1023 : Ok, why does everyone keep missing whats actually going on here? AA isnt ending meals to South America. As ive said multiple times: Doc, did you some
51 SCL767 : Because they want to turn this into an "AA is making pax pay for food on long-haul". Let me just give some example's of what AA is going to do. MIA-T
52 LAXdude1023 : He cant because there isnt one.
53 DocLightning : According to the initial information, all of them. I guess I'm wrong.
54 AA767400 : It's unfortunate that people keep missing the point here. AA is NOT removing any existing meals services on current routes to South America. If you se
55 SCL767 : That's for sure! Very true, I personally think that AA has improved the IFS on many routes as of recent. Especially on the 772 operated flights. I th
56 NAVEGA : Great news for carriers like Avianca, Mexicana, Aeromexico, Lan, Copa and may other who provide meals on their flights. I am sure AA will revert this
57 Aacun : No matter what AA does..... people are still going to have fits.. Some people here love to b**** and complaint without knowing what actually is going
58 SCL767 : Why is this good news when its old news? Firstly, AA already code-shares with their oneworld partners LA and MX. Secondly, AA's flights receive many
59 AA767400 : [quote=NAVEGA,reply=56][/quot I will repeat it once again. AA is not removing meals on any existing meal flights, including flights to Colombia which
60 Aacun : BOB has been offered on the MIA-MEX route for a while now.... though Im not sure about other cities to MEX.... I would think that ORD-MEX features it
61 SCL767 : AA doesn't fly between ORD and MEX anymore. AA code-shares with MX on the route which operates ORD-MEX 3x daily. AA LAX-MEX and now DFW-MEX are BOB.
62 Aacun : I stand corrected..... Thanks SCL!!!!!
63 LAXdude1023 : AA doesnt fly LAX-MEX. Are you talking about LAX-SJD?
64 SCL767 : I forgot about that, it's now code-share with MX. LAX-SJD is also BOB.
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