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Qantas A/C Safety Questioned (videos)  
User currently offlineB777a340fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 774 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3893 times:

Don't know how "true" or biased these videos are, but I came across these videos commenting on QF's safety. What is the most worrying is Qantas's David Cox's comments. "do you think every company's perfect?"...... uhh, no, but he seems careless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvlPBr3j2qs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSqpBDqVteY

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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3066 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

Today Tonight is a popularist, tabloid trash. I'd take whatever they say with a grain of salt.

User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4830 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3662 times:



Quoting Sydscott (Reply 1):
Today Tonight is a popularist, tabloid trash. I'd take whatever they say with a grain of salt.

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However where there's smoke there's usually fire....



56 types. 38 countries. 24 airlines.
User currently offlineDecromin From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3630 times:



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 2):
However where there's smoke there's usually fire....

Not a comment I'd use to an Australian at this time to be honest ...

Either way, considering that Today Tonight is full of miracle weight loss diets and fuel saver pills, I really would not take anything said on that show as much other than rating grabbing garbage.


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7607 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3572 times:

If the situation at SIA was as bad as they suggest, then why are SIA aircraft not crashing, and the same applies to LHT and Lufthansa.

User currently offlineM11Stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3194 times:

IMO, this is much ado about nothing. Qantas has never had a jet airplane related fatality. Its just bad publicity for a great airline.  Smile

[Edited 2009-02-12 18:06:48]


My opinions, statements, etc. are my own and do not have any association with those of any employer.
User currently offlineFlyboysp From Australia, joined Apr 2007, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3135 times:

Just remember, this interview was conducted 6-8 months ago, which is about the same time the media started to focus on QF. And as Sydscott mentioned above Today Tonight are usually sensationalist in their stories.

[Edited 2009-02-12 19:04:09]


#proudtobeabulldog
User currently offlineBBADXB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2942 times:

I'd be far more concerned with the practices at some major middle eastern competitor of QF.

User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4967 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2936 times:

Question for those who know more about the company ... is what they say in the videos true? because one thing is to exagerate to make a point, but if they are not lying about it, than something doesn't seem right. It's like Michael Moore's movies against Bush. You know he's ekagerating many points, just to prove what he wants and to brainwash the user, but if they are truths, well then it gets scary.

rgds  Smile



Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2892 times:

 rotfl 

Today Tonight is the biggest load of crap, every story is sensationalised and infactual.

As said wouldn't listen to a word that comes out of that show, actually it's not really a current affair show any more, more of a comedy.



Qantas, Still calling Australia Home.........
User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2892 times:

Today Tonight is the biggest load of crap, every story is sensationalised and infactual.

As said wouldn't listen to a word that comes out of that show, actually it's not really a current affair show any more, more of a comedy.  Smile



Qantas, Still calling Australia Home.........
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2861 times:



Quoting M11Stephen (Reply 5):
Qantas has never had a jet airplane related fatality.

There was one QF incident in 1975 involving a 707-338C that resulted in one fatality. In most countries, accidents that directly result in the death of anyone, whether on the aircraft or on the ground, are considered fatal accidents for the airline in question.

Description:

VH-EAE 25OCT75. During push back at Sydney, the throttle of the tug stuck open. The nose gear drag strut broke and the aircraft collapsed on to the cab of the tug killing the driver. The aircraft was repaired by a Boeing team.

The aircraft involved:


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User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2780 times:

Didn't people notice that this was posted in mid 2007. Why are we discussing the clip now?


When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4830 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2702 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):


Quoting M11Stephen (Reply 5):
Qantas has never had a jet airplane related fatality.

There was one QF incident in 1975 involving a 707-338C that resulted in one fatality. In most countries, accidents that directly result in the death of anyone, whether on the aircraft or on the ground, are considered fatal accidents for the airline in question.

Description:

VH-EAE 25OCT75. During push back at Sydney, the throttle of the tug stuck open. The nose gear drag strut broke and the aircraft collapsed on to the cab of the tug killing the driver. The aircraft was repaired by a Boeing team.

The aircraft involved:

That would almost be considered to be the same as if a catering truck drove into the side of an aircraft and the driver was killed... it had nothing to do with the aircraft...it was faulty ground equipment or driver.
QF and many many other airlines have had all sorts of things happen like ground staff falling to their deaths from open doors etc... If the aircraft is not under its own power/gliding (either on the ground or in the air) and something happens to people outside the aircraft then that is not an aircraft accident).



56 types. 38 countries. 24 airlines.
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2647 times:



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 13):
QF and many many other airlines have had all sorts of things happen like ground staff falling to their deaths from open doors etc... If the aircraft is not under its own power/gliding (either on the ground or in the air) and something happens to people outside the aircraft then that is not an aircraft accident).

I understand your point, but if one airline (not referring to any specific carrier) has a significantly higher number of those types of accidents involving their own ground staff and vehicles than another carrier, it reflects negatively on the overall safety culture of the airline, and may be an indication of inadequate training of ground staff or maintenance of equipment.


User currently offlineCastropRauxel From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2461 times:

Funnily enough, I just read the other day an article about German aviation magazine "Aero International" awarding QF as one of the top 5 safest airlines worldwide - alongside AY, CX, NH and LY.

User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2825 posts, RR: 45
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2414 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 13):
QF and many many other airlines have had all sorts of things happen like ground staff falling to their deaths from open doors etc... If the aircraft is not under its own power/gliding (either on the ground or in the air) and something happens to people outside the aircraft then that is not an aircraft accident).

I understand your point, but if one airline (not referring to any specific carrier) has a significantly higher number of those types of accidents involving their own ground staff and vehicles than another carrier, it reflects negatively on the overall safety culture of the airline, and may be an indication of inadequate training of ground staff or maintenance of equipment.

I agree with your general point, Viscount, but it isn't germane to this discussion: one QF ground staff fatailty from 34 years ago, does not a safety trend make.


User currently offlineAverageUser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days ago) and read 2207 times:



Quoting CastropRauxel (Reply 15):
top 5 safest airlines worldwide - alongside AY, CX, NH and LY.

I was unable to find mention of that rating having been issued to El Al, and we have that accident where their 747 chashed in Amsterdam in 4 Oct 1992, killing all 4 occupants plus 39 people on the ground.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19921004-2

However, I was able to find this list that is attributed to being the Aero International top 10:
[i]Carriers with top-rated safety records for the full tracking period are Qantas, Finnair, Cathay Pacific and All Nippon Airways. Younger airlines in ranking order with the years they began flying are Air Berlin (1979), Virgin Atlantic (1984), Emirates (1985), Ryanair (1985), EVA (1991), Qatar Airways (1994), Easyjet (1995) and Jet Blue (2000).[i]

http://www.egat.com.tw/html/ENG/e_5_10.htm


User currently offlineCastropRauxel From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2014 times:



Quoting AverageUser (Reply 17):

I was unable to find mention of that rating having been issued to El Al, and we have that accident where their 747 chashed in Amsterdam in 4 Oct 1992, killing all 4 occupants plus 39 people on the ground.

Very true. I remember this accident well, which is why I was just as surprised as you are to read this article. I was looking for a link online, but couldn't find anything. this was, however, published in israel leading and most respected newspaper last week. maybe Aero International published a newer list last week, which referenced only passenger flights (LY crash was cargo)? I have no idea. anyway, QF is in there.


User currently offlineQantas787 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1947 times:

Just a note, I believe an elderly passenger died sometime after a QF flight from injuries received during extreme turbulence enroute to Darwin a few years ago. I am only 90% sure of this and feel free to refute it. BTW this is not a QF bash posting.
PS actually I think it was enroute to points further but had to stop in DRW for the injured.


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