B777a340fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 749 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3284 times:
Don't know how "true" or biased these videos are, but I came across these videos commenting on QF's safety. What is the most worrying is Qantas's David Cox's comments. "do you think every company's perfect?"...... uhh, no, but he seems careless.
Decromin From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 80 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3021 times:
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 2): However where there's smoke there's usually fire....
Not a comment I'd use to an Australian at this time to be honest ...
Either way, considering that Today Tonight is full of miracle weight loss diets and fuel saver pills, I really would not take anything said on that show as much other than rating grabbing garbage.
M11Stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1207 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2585 times:
IMO, this is much ado about nothing. Qantas has never had a jet airplane related fatality. Its just bad publicity for a great airline.
[Edited 2009-02-12 18:06:48]
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Flyboysp From Australia, joined Apr 2007, 736 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2526 times:
Just remember, this interview was conducted 6-8 months ago, which is about the same time the media started to focus on QF. And as Sydscott mentioned above Today Tonight are usually sensationalist in their stories.
EZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4931 posts, RR: 28 Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2327 times:
Question for those who know more about the company ... is what they say in the videos true? because one thing is to exagerate to make a point, but if they are not lying about it, than something doesn't seem right. It's like Michael Moore's movies against Bush. You know he's ekagerating many points, just to prove what he wants and to brainwash the user, but if they are truths, well then it gets scary.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21495 posts, RR: 24 Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2252 times:
Quoting M11Stephen (Reply 5): Qantas has never had a jet airplane related fatality.
There was one QF incident in 1975 involving a 707-338C that resulted in one fatality. In most countries, accidents that directly result in the death of anyone, whether on the aircraft or on the ground, are considered fatal accidents for the airline in question.
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VH-EAE 25OCT75. During push back at Sydney, the throttle of the tug stuck open. The nose gear drag strut broke and the aircraft collapsed on to the cab of the tug killing the driver. The aircraft was repaired by a Boeing team.
Quoting M11Stephen (Reply 5):
Qantas has never had a jet airplane related fatality.
There was one QF incident in 1975 involving a 707-338C that resulted in one fatality. In most countries, accidents that directly result in the death of anyone, whether on the aircraft or on the ground, are considered fatal accidents for the airline in question.
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VH-EAE 25OCT75. During push back at Sydney, the throttle of the tug stuck open. The nose gear drag strut broke and the aircraft collapsed on to the cab of the tug killing the driver. The aircraft was repaired by a Boeing team.
The aircraft involved:
That would almost be considered to be the same as if a catering truck drove into the side of an aircraft and the driver was killed... it had nothing to do with the aircraft...it was faulty ground equipment or driver.
QF and many many other airlines have had all sorts of things happen like ground staff falling to their deaths from open doors etc... If the aircraft is not under its own power/gliding (either on the ground or in the air) and something happens to people outside the aircraft then that is not an aircraft accident).
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21495 posts, RR: 24 Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2038 times:
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 13): QF and many many other airlines have had all sorts of things happen like ground staff falling to their deaths from open doors etc... If the aircraft is not under its own power/gliding (either on the ground or in the air) and something happens to people outside the aircraft then that is not an aircraft accident).
I understand your point, but if one airline (not referring to any specific carrier) has a significantly higher number of those types of accidents involving their own ground staff and vehicles than another carrier, it reflects negatively on the overall safety culture of the airline, and may be an indication of inadequate training of ground staff or maintenance of equipment.
CastropRauxel From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 466 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1852 times:
Funnily enough, I just read the other day an article about German aviation magazine "Aero International" awarding QF as one of the top 5 safest airlines worldwide - alongside AY, CX, NH and LY.
PGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2516 posts, RR: 45 Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1805 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14): Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 13):
QF and many many other airlines have had all sorts of things happen like ground staff falling to their deaths from open doors etc... If the aircraft is not under its own power/gliding (either on the ground or in the air) and something happens to people outside the aircraft then that is not an aircraft accident).
I understand your point, but if one airline (not referring to any specific carrier) has a significantly higher number of those types of accidents involving their own ground staff and vehicles than another carrier, it reflects negatively on the overall safety culture of the airline, and may be an indication of inadequate training of ground staff or maintenance of equipment.
I agree with your general point, Viscount, but it isn't germane to this discussion: one QF ground staff fatailty from 34 years ago, does not a safety trend make.
AverageUser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1598 times:
Quoting CastropRauxel (Reply 15): top 5 safest airlines worldwide - alongside AY, CX, NH and LY.
I was unable to find mention of that rating having been issued to El Al, and we have that accident where their 747 chashed in Amsterdam in 4 Oct 1992, killing all 4 occupants plus 39 people on the ground. http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19921004-2
However, I was able to find this list that is attributed to being the Aero International top 10:
[i]Carriers with top-rated safety records for the full tracking period are Qantas, Finnair, Cathay Pacific and All Nippon Airways. Younger airlines in ranking order with the years they began flying are Air Berlin (1979), Virgin Atlantic (1984), Emirates (1985), Ryanair (1985), EVA (1991), Qatar Airways (1994), Easyjet (1995) and Jet Blue (2000).[i]
CastropRauxel From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 466 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1405 times:
Quoting AverageUser (Reply 17):
I was unable to find mention of that rating having been issued to El Al, and we have that accident where their 747 chashed in Amsterdam in 4 Oct 1992, killing all 4 occupants plus 39 people on the ground.
Very true. I remember this accident well, which is why I was just as surprised as you are to read this article. I was looking for a link online, but couldn't find anything. this was, however, published in israel leading and most respected newspaper last week. maybe Aero International published a newer list last week, which referenced only passenger flights (LY crash was cargo)? I have no idea. anyway, QF is in there.
Qantas787 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1338 times:
Just a note, I believe an elderly passenger died sometime after a QF flight from injuries received during extreme turbulence enroute to Darwin a few years ago. I am only 90% sure of this and feel free to refute it. BTW this is not a QF bash posting.
PS actually I think it was enroute to points further but had to stop in DRW for the injured.
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