Khobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5956 times:
Are they union jobs? Would be interesting, considering SRB's recent "advice" to Boeing.
Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 26 Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5857 times:
Not a good day at all for aviation in the UK and Ireland..
SR-Technics are to close their Irish plant and 1200 jobs on the line-Ryanair axing in Dublin..
Skidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 60 Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5254 times:
It's a logical step to protect the core business. We had a brief today detailing what will happen and when. Suffice to say everyone feels threatened, some more than others. However, I think everyone understands that there has to be cuts and that these things happen, but all anyone can do is carry on until we find out who and when.
We're in pretty good shape if we can make savings and this recession doesn't continue more than a couple of years. Those at risk will find out shortly who they are and then, who knows?
Lets face it, anyone believing airlines can carry on as they are without making cuts are looking in a very rose tinted glass. With pax numbers dropping, routes will be pared down and aircraft maybe laid up. This in turn reduces the staffing requirements and maintenance required.
Just have to hope my position is safe, although I doubt it.
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11126 posts, RR: 63 Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5138 times:
Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 4): With pax numbers dropping, routes will be pared down and aircraft maybe laid up. This in turn reduces the staffing requirements and maintenance required.
Just have to hope my position is safe, although I doubt it.
Well I hope your job is safe Andy. But it confuses me slightly, shouldn't the downturn be an ideal time for airlines to get aircraft nearing C/D checks through these whilst they'll not going to be missed as much, then in a year or two's time (when hopefully things have picked up) they'd be in a stronger position fleet wise?
ANstar From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 4845 posts, RR: 6 Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5006 times:
Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 5): it confuses me slightly, shouldn't the downturn be an ideal time for airlines to get aircraft nearing C/D checks through these whilst they'll not going to be missed as much, then in a year or two's time (when hopefully things have picked up) they'd be in a stronger position fleet wise?
you would still have an excess of Pilots / Cabin crew etc during that couple of years.
Khobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4909 times:
Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 4): It's a logical step to protect the core business. We had a brief today detailing what will happen and when. Suffice to say everyone feels threatened, some more than others. However, I think everyone understands that there has to be cuts and that these things happen, but all anyone can do is carry on until we find out who and when.
Why don't you guys go out on strike to protest the cuts?
NZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2188 posts, RR: 27 Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4724 times:
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Quoting Khobar (Reply 7): Why don't you guys go out on strike to protest the cuts?
And what would that achieve? Nothing. Management will do what they like knowing full well they have workers over a barrel, because they are worried about their own jobs.
CanyonBlue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 365 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3993 times:
I wonder if Capt Sully's job would be safe.....didn't Sir Richard just offer to double his salary if he left US Airways and joined Virgin Atlantic?
Cairo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2392 times:
I love Virgin Atlantic and wish them success in finding ways to survive the recession.
However, like the famous incident a few weeks back with the gent from India complaining about food, I have to say that I've noted a definite decline in the proudct, which I very much hope is not part of the plan to save money. A few weeks ago I was riding in upper class LHR-ORD and the food on offer was - honestly - not better than BA economy, except that it was served on china instead of plastic. The seats were hard and scruffy and the old IFE (tiny screens/bad reception) didn't help. The Clubhouse at Heahtrow is also showing a lot of wear...
As usual, the real pleasure was the crew who were outstanding as always. I'm hoping Virgin can find a way to maintain a good product without debasing themselves to the service standards of the US carriers across the Atlantic...
Carledwards From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 259 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2374 times:
Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 4): It's a logical step to protect the core business. We had a brief today detailing what will happen and when. Suffice to say everyone feels threatened, some more than others. However, I think everyone understands that there has to be cuts and that these things happen, but all anyone can do is carry on until we find out who and when.
seems a bit hypocritical to me that one minute they tell there staff 'no redundancies if they take a pay cut', but now they do both!?? its like they win on both accounts
Khobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2301 times:
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 8):
And what would that achieve? Nothing. Management will do what they like knowing full well they have workers over a barrel, because they are worried about their own jobs.
How so? If they are union then they can apply pressure to the airline by shutting them down. The airline is in business to make money - that's why they are calling for layoffs. If you threaten to cut off their lifeline they'll be willing to talk.
Or so the party line goes, no?
Quoting LHR380 (Reply 10): And what would that do, cause untold havoc to passengers and cause the airline to loose money, at a time when it needs it!!!
That's right - cause havoc to passengers and cause the airline to lose money - that's the point to make them rethink their plans.
I'm really just wanting to know if Virgin is a union shop or not.
Jkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2259 times:
Quoting Khobar (Reply 17): How so? If they are union then they can apply pressure to the airline by shutting them down. The airline is in business to make money - that's why they are calling for layoffs. If you threaten to cut off their lifeline they'll be willing to talk.
Or so the party line goes, no?
Do you think they want to lay people off? They are doing it for a reason.
Suppose they did go on strike. They shut down operations, thus losing more money, and then announce that they will need to lay off even more people than originally announced because of the loss of revenue during the strike.
AmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2610 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2254 times:
Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 3): Not a good day at all for aviation in the UK and Ireland..
Not a good WEEK for Irish aviation:
~ FR cut 100 jobs 5 routes at SNN
~ SR Technics (formerly TEAM Aer Lingus) cuts 1200 at DUB
~ FR cuts 500 at DUB
~ Announcement of possible end to government-subsidised PSO domestic flights which may lead to the demise of Aer Arann
Khobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2190 times:
Quoting Jkudall (Reply 18): Do you think they want to lay people off? They are doing it for a reason.
Suppose they did go on strike. They shut down operations, thus losing more money, and then announce that they will need to lay off even more people than originally announced because of the loss of revenue during the strike.
That never happens. Strikes are beneficial and necessary - ask F9Animal (I think that's right).
So, is Virgin a union shop? The answer is, apparently, yes. So, in essence, SRB is firing a bunch of people who are accepting of their fate "for the good of the company".
So why didn't SRB expect and call for the same from the Boeing machinists? Makes him look like a ...well, fill in the blank.
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