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Colgan Dash 8 Crash In Buffalo, NY  
User currently offlineCbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1552 posts, RR: 5
Posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 73105 times:

Just heard a plane crashed outside of buffalo, NY! Rumors have it was a Colgan aircraft! Just is just breaking, heard from a pilot in the area who knows an emergency responder out there! will post more info as it breaks!


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User currently offlineSkoker From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 73279 times:

Colgan Saab 340 for US Express, lost sight of the runway and crashed in Clarence, NY according to my supervisor at BUF who I just called.... will update as I get more... might head out to scene for pix in morning...

User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3290 posts, RR: 45
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 73083 times:

Terrible news!

I hope everyone is ok.  pray 

Keep us posted.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineCAL764 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 73024 times:

Not gonna lie...winds are ferocious around the Northeast today...


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User currently offlinePilotfox From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 552 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 73078 times:

The only Colgan I see going into BUF is this Dash 8.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CJC3268


User currently offlineConcordski From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 72844 times:

Hope it isn't as bad as it seems though only time will tell.

User currently offlineCAL764 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 72861 times:



Quoting Pilotfox (Reply 5):
this Dash 8.

I believe that's a CO code share flight.



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User currently offlineYNGguins From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 511 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 72868 times:

You ain't kidding Cal.. I have trees and power lines down all around my neighborhood here in Youngstown. A few neighbors are running on generators because their electrical lines to their homes were crushed by pine tree's.

Winds were 50-55kts yesterday here, and I am guessing around 40-45kts around Buffalo this evening. Could be a factor for sure.



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User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 72812 times:

No SAAB 340's enroute. Had to be a Dash 8 if it was Colgan.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...8/history/20090213/0146Z/KEWR/KBUF

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...7/history/20090213/0031Z/KEWR/KBUF

Current weather:

KBUF 130354Z 24011KT 3SM -SN BR SCT011 OVC021 01/M01 A2981 RMK AO2 SLP103 P0002 T00061006
KBUF 130254Z 24015G22KT 3SM -SN BR FEW011 BKN021 OVC027 01/M01 A2979 RMK AO2 SLP097 P0001 60004 T00061006 51015

KBUF 130322Z 1303/1324 25014G24KT 3SM -SHSN BR OVC020
FM130500 30012G20KT P6SM BKN015 BKN060
FM130900 30012KT P6SM BKN025
FM131200 32010KT P6SM SCT025 BKN120
FM131800 32006KT P6SM SCT030

[Edited 2009-02-12 19:56:31]


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User currently offlinePilotfox From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 552 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 72517 times:

I know we can't usually trust flightaware, but looks where the planes flightpath ends. I think thats right near where the crash was reported.

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8898 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 72480 times:



Quoting Pilotfox (Reply 12):
I know we can't usually trust flightaware, but looks where the planes flightpath ends. I think thats right near where the crash was reported.

FlightAware normally cuts off the last little part of the route...could just be a glitch.


User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 72488 times:



Quoting Pilotfox (Reply 12):
I know we can't usually trust flightaware, but looks where the planes flightpath ends. I think thats right near where the crash was reported.

They all drop off there. Probably where approach hands them off to tower.



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User currently offlineCbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1552 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 72549 times:

Colgan 3407 is the aircraft in question, a Dash 8 Q400! It is on the live ATC archives and it is all over the approach and tower frequency! Apparently it was just prior to the outer marker! More info as it breaks! Still waiting on the press to break it!


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User currently offlineYNGguins From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 511 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 72401 times:

LINK- http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/possibl...all_plane_crash_in_clarence_090212
DO NOT DELETE MODS!

CLARENCE, N.Y. (WIVB) - A small plane has crashed into a house on Long Street west of Goodrich.

We are told everyone who was in that house got out safely, but that house is engulfed in flames.

It's described as a 'massive fire' at the scene.

There is no word on the fate of the pilot of the plane or anyone else who may have been on board.

The first report of this crash came in about 10:20 p.m.

The area is shut down right now.

We do know a command center has been set up at Roll Road and Goodrich, that is near the scene.

Some residents have been evacuated.



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User currently offlineCactus105 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 72209 times:

uh oh... this is no good. Darn weather.... I pray that everyone's okay


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User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 72222 times:



Quoting YNGguins (Reply 14):
The area is shut down right now.

Yet 8 aircraft and counting have landed since.  Confused  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineMedAv From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 72316 times:

It's on the archives on liveatc.net. The controller specifically says a "dash 8 went down short of the airport"

Sad.


User currently offlineA318 From Bahamas, joined Jan 2008, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 72097 times:

I really hope not.......

[Edited 2009-02-12 20:18:52]


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User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 72104 times:



Quoting Flyingbronco05 (Reply 16):
Yet 8 aircraft and counting have landed since.

Do you think they mean the neighborhood area has been shut down? Might not be the airport since the plane didn't crash on airport site right?


User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 71874 times:

If it is colgan3407, it is aircraft #784 according to continental.com


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User currently offlineMedAv From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 71889 times:

Just confirmed by a friend of mine who is in the local trauma center...were told there were around 30 people on the aircraft.

User currently offlineAmericanmd80 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 491 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 71850 times:

I heard a ton of sirens around the time of the crash.

They broke into ER to say there was something going on...but just confirmed it was a small commercial airliner.



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User currently offlineCAL764 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 71829 times:

CO 3373 in flight and scheduled to arrive 5+ hours late, according to co.com. This is very upsetting...


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User currently offlineCanyonBlue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 71835 times:

Flt 3407 from Newark Liberty to Buffalo shows "landed" on the airport's website.

User currently offlinePhoenix9 From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 2546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 71808 times:

Surprisingly still nothing on CNN


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25 YNGguins : Wow.. Prayers are out to all of the pax!
26 Skoker : Looks to be ship N200WQ according to latest reports.... that would be ship 784 for 9L...
27 Post contains links Alessandro : 88 minutes late according to http://www.flightstats.com/go/Flight...2&airlineCode=9L&flightNumber=3407
28 Hjulicher : Looks like it could be CO flight 3407 operated by Colgan Air. My respects to everyone on board.
29 Post contains links N104UA : If anyone wants to listen here is the ATC for KBUF during the incident http://archive-server.liveatc.net/kbuf/KBUF-Feb-13-2009-0300Z.mp3 Prayers out t
30 Post contains links MedAv : http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/577959.html An aircraft identified by State Police as a USAirways prop plane crashed into a house in Clarence Ce
31 Cactus105 : Wow.. yes N200WQ looks to be a very new aircraft too..
32 YNGguins : What amazes me is how these stories are all over the place.
33 Post contains links Alessandro : First flight last april according to http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-dh8-4200.htm
34 LAX25R : Listening to the ATC is chilling. One minute you're hearing the pilots and the next they're just gone. It just really reminds you of the fact that tom
35 CanyonBlue17 : Buffalo Airport's website just took the flight off the arrivals board.
36 A318 : Was it a Colgan Saab or Colgan Q? It seems like it's going either way right now...
37 Cactus105 : Well said. It makes you appreciate everything that we take for granted on a daily basis.
38 Post contains links Flyingbronco05 : Q-400. Colgan 3407 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CJC3407
39 Pilotfox : Listening the ATC tapes, sounds like other planes were picking up ice in the area.
40 Aogdesk : shit.....still no info locally, but 30 pax?? shit.
41 CanyonBlue17 : Just overheard pilots and controllers in the Buffalo area are talking about icing conditions between 4,000 and 8,000 feet for arrivals. Checking the l
42 Osiris30 : WIVB just reported "50-60 people onboard".. but they keep calling it a 'jet-liner'...
43 N104UA : Local paper is showing only crew were on board
44 TOLtommy : Continental.com just updated status for 3407. Now shows as "landed, taxiing to gate"....
45 SkyHarborsHome : How is this not being picked up on national news? CNN, CNN Headline News, Fox News.... all nothing. Hope this is not as bad as it sounds.
46 Aogdesk : thank you for all the updates folks....tis FANTASTIC to be able to get good info from here.
47 USFLyer MSP : My brother is a volunteer firefighter in Cheektowaga and is on the scene now!!! Obviously, I cannot contact him right now but I will give details as s
48 Post contains links Alessandro : http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/possibl...all_plane_crash_in_clarence_090212 Claim no fatalities on the ground.
49 Post contains links Cbphoto : http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/possibl...all_plane_crash_in_clarence_090212 Just updated to show large commercial airliner! My Prayers are with everyone
50 Aviatortj : large commercial airliner =! colgan
51 Osiris30 : Ok, some confusion, WIVB (chan 4) reporting 50-60 people onboard (but also calling it a jet liners). Channel 7 reporting 30 people on board. Channel 7
52 Osiris30 : WIVB's coverage seems bad compared to channel 7, and 7 is calling it a prop, which lines up with what we have here. Also reporting it as a CO branded
53 DENplanenut : Hope everyone is ok. Although watching the video on the local networks does not look good very promising.
54 Post contains links Phoenix9 : http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/577959.html An aircraft identified by Erie County Executive Chris Collins as a Continental Airlines flight crash
55 A318 : So far first reports are saying no survivors.... RIP
56 Alessandro : WIVB link above says 50-60 seats, not 50-60 people onboard.
57 TOLtommy : Nothing personal, but local media is probably reading this thread and using it as news. So far every flight someone on here has declared to be the cr
58 Longhornmaniac : Lots of mixed reports right now. I certainly didn't hear anything from the plane regarding any maintenance issues in listening to the audio, but admit
59 Osiris30 : Understood, but I'm not reading their links, I'm watching the broadcasts Buffalo stations are in my local broadcast range. Their on the air coverage
60 MedAv : Unconfirmed radio reports: the town supervisor briefed the media saying 50 people on board. From the ER, the only thing confirmed is that one person w
61 Osiris30 : Just saw video of the scene on the television, I can confirm it's continental based on the tail. It's definitely a dash-8. Can't tell model based on q
62 Phoenix9 : So does the buffalonews link I posted earlier in my reply. Apparently, there was a mechanical failure??
63 Osiris30 : So far one eye-witness report of fire prior to impact, one report of a bang/pop prior to impact. Bear in mind these are eye witness reports with thei
64 Thegreatchecko : Unfortunately, that ATC tape doesn't give us much hope. Multiple calls for Colgan with no response...not what I wanted to hear tonight.
65 Cactus105 : crap... triple damn. Lets hope these reports are not 100% true
66 SkyHarborsHome : Is surprising to hear all the icing reports from the transmissions. Even more surprised to not hear any emergency calls from the plane; just gone. Ver
67 Phoenix9 : Mechanical trouble was reported by the crew...see my reply #54. According to that link there are survivours taken to Erie county medical center for i
68 TOLtommy : Cr@p..... Continental.com just updated status of 3407.... Now says, "please contact Continental for status of this flight" Not good....
69 Longhornmaniac : I think what he's saying is, and I agree, is if they did, I certainly didn't hear it in the audio we've got. I'll go back 30 min prior, and see if th
70 Aogdesk : if local news IS referencing this forum, PLEASE post Continental Airlines phone number on your website. 1-800-523-3273
71 D L X : Listening to the ATC tape, I think I heard the 3407 pilot (a lady) say something that got stomped on. Couldn't hear the whole transmission, and it see
72 Oflanigan : News Coverage on CNN now
73 PanAm92 : Its on cnn right now
74 HangarRat : Spooky to listen to the ATC recording. Did anyone else catch a worried note in the pilots voice the last time 3407 replied?
75 SkyHarborsHome : Looks like CNN Canada is reporting and using Buffalo local feed. They keep saying they are not sure if the pilot survived or anyone else on board. Wou
76 Flyingbronco05 : CNN is reporting both a MASSIVE PLANE and a LARGE COMMERCIAL AIRLINER. Hope everybody is ok.[Edited 2009-02-12 21:07:27]
77 PanAm92 : Does not look good. bad weather reported also
78 N104UA : Source Please
79 Post contains links MedAv : http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/577959.html Forty-nine people reportedly died when an aircraft identified as a Continental Airlines flight crash
80 Phoenix9 : CNN reporting 5800 pounds of fuel when the plane went down
81 Post contains links and images Osiris30 : A few pictures I snapped off the TV, copyright appropriate holders: Thank you, yes.
82 CanyonBlue17 : Buffalo News is now reporting 49 dead - 44pax, 4 crew and one on the ground....horrible news!
83 Osiris30 : Crash site approximately 5 miles from the end of the runway, according to reports. Some reports of engines not running, some reports of engines 'not s
84 Post contains links D L X : Last 3407 transmission around 16:15 on the liveatc archive feed posted at http://archive-server.liveatc.net/kbuf/KBUF-Feb-13-2009-0300Z.mp3 . I didn't
85 Oflanigan : MSNBC picking up the story now
86 Heavymx1 : faa says 48 on board
87 Jetjeanes : it is the co flight and the hull is gone pics comeing in via skype fromm bbc from wgrz at clarance and goodrich.even an hour later there is still a lo
88 StasisLAX : WGRZ-TV is reporting that there were 48 people onboard the crashed CO flight
89 HangarRat : Does this end the eight-year fatality-free streak for US airlines, or is this in the "minor airline crash" category that allowed the analysts to over
90 FlyMIA : Looks bad, that is a big fire looks like a fire on impact. Hoping for the best. Guess we will get more information as the night goes on. MSNBC Just st
91 Phoenix9 : Looking at the wreckage and the fire intensity....survivors seem unlikely. Not good!
92 SkyHarborsHome : If this is true then it matches the exact number of people killed in the Comair crash in Lexington. News is saying 48 on board and then possibly one
93 Osiris30 : Multiple reports of the plane basically flying straight into the ground on impact now (rather than a glide, etc.)
94 Post contains links Alessandro : Seem like the worst DHC-8 crash ever, http://aviation-safety.net/database/dblist.php?Type=184
95 Brick : Holy smokes I saw N200WQ at Albany today! It was parked at C1 and was going to operate a flight to EWR as CO3202 and was delayed be several hours. The
96 Post contains images Osiris30 : Press briefing right now..... (I'll edit this post as we go) One structure damaged, aircraft still burning, mostly under control. Fatalities confirmed
97 CFMitch56 : "Colgan 3407, Buffalo tower how do you hear?" (no response, asked at least 3 times) BUF: "Need to talk to somebody 5 mi northeast... State Police of S
98 Phoenix9 : 44 Pax and 4 crew members...no word about survivors yet.
99 FlyMIA : News conference in Buffalo just said one confirmed fatality on the ground and this is not a resuce effort anymore. It does not look good for the passe
100 Panam330 : Oh no! I really wonder what the cause of this was. Thoughts and prayers are with all involved. Hope when I wake in the morning I hear some better news
101 Jetjeanes : they are saying its a bombadier 900 jet??? 70 pax wouldnt that be expressjets..
102 CanyonBlue17 : Press briefing just gave the aircraft tail number, but I didn't catch it. Did anyone get it, and can they post any previous Airliners.net photos of th
103 CVG777 : My mom just landed at Buffalo on a USAirways flight from Charlotte. She said there were a lot of news crews and TSA and other emergency officials at t
104 KingAir200 : He stated the fight number, which was 3407. The n-number is N200WQ.
105 MedAv : Nothing in the press briefing that the forum hasn't discussed already.
106 Floorrunner : CNN.com only has a headline right now. No link to a story yet.
107 Aogdesk : FLIGHT number was #3407, NOT A/C tail number. Important to get all facts correct under these circumstances.
108 Osiris30 : Correct (I editted my post from the press conference as well). That's where they are taking the families who arrive at the airport. No, confirmed Das
109 SAS330GOT : In one of the last transmissions where approach gives the ILS clearance the female pilot sounds a bit stressed or nervous.
110 N104UA : The news Conf did confirm that New Conf Recap -There are many deaths and total number is not known yet -report of 44 pax and crew of 4 -they do not k
111 D L X : "Not a rescue operation" suggests that they believe there are no survivors. It's an understatement, but man that sucks.
112 Post contains links F27friend : Update: http://www.vosizneias.com/27342/2009...crashes-into-clarence-center-home/
113 Post contains links and images KingAir200 : Here she is during better days. Thoughts and prayers to everyone involved. View Large View MediumPhoto © Mark Kryst - YXUphoto
114 OPNLguy : I hope everyone will keep in mind that the only thing absolutely known for sure at this point is that the aircraft is down, and that anything/everythi
115 Post contains links and images CBPhoto : For those who are just joining in, i'll post a quick summary of what happened! Colgan Air Flight 3407, a Dash 8 Q400 (reg N200WQ) crashed on landing i
116 Post contains links Floorrunner : here is a link to the coverage from the NY Times http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/nyregion/13crash.html?_r=1
117 N104UA : Thank You for that but what the city officials are saying is most likely true,
118 Post contains links Iflykpdx : http://www.continental.com/web/en-US/content/news/flight3407.aspx Continental page for flight info.
119 Post contains links and images AA 777 : Just used an anet pic on MSNBC with the Airliners.net watermark. View Large View MediumPhoto © Bill Striffler
120 Flyusairways : My deepest thoughts and prayers go out to the passengers and their families at this time. I certainly hope that the outcome will not be as tragic as i
121 Mikey711MN : Interesting. In subsequent tower conversations with other aircraft, they are relentlessly asking for icing conditions. Probably good information to ha
122 CanyonBlue17 : Continental Airlines is giving a 1-800 to contact when you pull up the flight status of 3407.
123 Post contains links Virgin744 : websites are reporting it crashed into a house. http://rochesterhomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=68782 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7887555.s
124 Longhornmaniac : MSNBC is reporting plane crashed amid sleet and rain. Not surprising, but new information. Cheers, Cameron
125 LAX25R : OPNLguy is absolutely right about the speculation, The speculation after these accidents is just amazing, even on here. Earlier in the thread, we brou
126 Post contains links 787seattle : I hope that everyone's ok there. SEA Times has a pic, but a short article
127 N104UA : There was nothing 10pm news in Denver about this but they have a story from AP online now
128 Longhornmaniac : While true, there was a pretty quick response by fire and rescue, and a press conference has been held confirming the deaths, though without definite
129 Floorrunner : I must give Kudos to cnn's website right now because they are treating it as a developing story and do not appear to be making assumptions right now.
130 SkyHarborsHome : As stated many times before, many of the other pilots on the ATC transmission were reporting icing. I did not hear any request priority landing or giv
131 KingAir200 : I wonder what effect, if any, icing had on the crash. The XJ, DL, and US airplanes also in the area reported picking up some ice on the way in.
132 DurangoMac : For all those that are involved, you're in my prayers. For those that may have perished, may you rest in peace.
133 Heavymx1 : Foxnews saying 49 onboard dead 44pax 4 crew. 1 on ground dead
134 LordMontenegro : I have a friend whose not that far away from the accident site now. He's pretty shook up, he knows people who live on the street. RIP to everyone aboa
135 Phoenix9 : News Conference "Plane just dropped off the ATC radar" . Pretty scary!
136 A318 : Both flight attendants were in my training class... I am absolutely devestated.
137 ElBandGeek : This is a very sad event and my thoughts and prayers go out to all those involved. It's particularly sad considering the string of good fortune we've
138 Kaitak : Very new airplane too; delivered in April '08 (c.n 4200).
139 Pilotfox : Possible engine fire before the crash, as CNN witness stated.
140 SkyHarborsHome : MSNBC about to post photos from someone who was there within minutes after. Claims he was close enough to take clear picture of tail number on plane.
141 Meister808 : Another forum with reports of aircraft on fire prior to crash... not sure about Dash systems but apparently there has been problem with hydraulics re-
142 Usair320 : MSNBC so far comfirms no survivors...........God bless all aboard and their families. God bless the brand new Q400 as well.
143 Jamake1 : That is incredibly sad news. I am curious as to where you are getting this information. I am terribly sorry to hear that you've been personally affec
144 Jetjeanes : just curious there is an expressjet that landed 6 minutes difference than this colgan, i wonder why they ran them so close Newark, NJ Continental Expr
145 Osiris30 : Incorrect. Crash was at 22:20 local, estimated time of landing would have been 22:25. Eye witness says gear were up at time of impact.
146 Longhornmaniac : I certainly do not want to speculate too much right now about the cause, while so much info is yet to come in, but there are some interesting things
147 KingAir200 : 3407 was running late. It was supposed to arrive at 8:48 PM.
148 Post contains links HangarRat : You tube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPoqhEHKNQk&feature=channel_page Not great.
149 F9Fan : Not pretty Based on what I am seeing, it looks like the plane crashed 7.1 mi/11 km northeast of BUF. BTW, someone at CNN needs to check their graphics
150 Levent : This is a blow to Continental Airlines. Even though the aircraft was not operated by Continental, general public perception will be that it was, and t
151 Post contains links Flashmeister : Here's an approximate GMaps street view of the accident scene, as best as I could estimate based on an approximate address included in one of the news
152 Aogdesk : I'm very sorry to hear that.
153 FlyMIA : Completley normal for two planes to land 6 minutes after each other. At busy airports its every 2 minutes
154 San747 : If indeed all on board have died, it is very disheartening to hear. My condolences to all those involved. I'll be honest, this crash for some reason a
155 KDTWFlyer : Aw man what a blow to the otherwise optimistic safety record we recently had. RIP crew and pax!
156 N104UA : NY State Police have just confirmed all 48 on board dead Prayers go out to all of the Families of the victims[Edited 2009-02-12 22:27:48]
157 FlyMIA : New York State Police have confirmed all people on board have died and one on the ground.
158 San747 : I think he's noticing it's unusual for two flights from the same airport to land within minutes of each other. It's not unheard of, but not common. I
159 Longhornmaniac : He was saying to CO flights from EWR. Interesting to hear reports of a "high pitched whistle" while plane was in the air. Also unconfirmed eyewitness
160 Alessandro : Even worse for Bombardier, the aircraft model got really bad press earlier from all landinggear failures and now this.[Edited 2009-02-12 22:34:34]
161 Bralo20 : Confirmation was given. 48 people died on board of the plane...
162 SkyHarborsHome : Wow. 49 Confirmed. All of us will go to sleep with heavier hearts.
163 Mattbna : No need for a re-cap... Most people will start at the top and read down through the replies. As OPNLguy explained - by the time they get through the
164 FlyMIA : Yes Even though still not a major airline crash still a very sad day Horrible news. May all RIP on board. Prayers be with their families.
165 Phoenix9 : RIP. Prayers and condolences to the families.
166 Post contains links HangarRat : Compare the pilot's voice at about 14:05 to the Colgan flight's last transmission at about 15:17. Her voice sounds less confident, somehow. Busy or d
167 WeAreUnited : I can't even imagine. I'm so sorry to hear that.
168 Radarbeam : Horrible news. May the crew and the passengers rest in peace.
169 Post contains links OPNLguy : "Most likely"...and you'll see their info change as well.... If anyone who has listened to the .MP3 of the ATC audio and is wondering where/what "KLU
170 Dc863 : After the USAirways Hudson River incident I had a feeling that "good luck" had ran out. Unfortunately I believe that this is going to be a bad year.
171 Skoker : This was the first report I received from the folks I work with...it was in rush form and in no means a final word.... just passing info off to fello
172 FlyMIA : Yea mis-read that. As stated before flights where delayed.
173 Semsem : SAS grounded and got rid of their Bombardier Dash 8 Q400 fleet.
174 Maxpower1954 : I'm interested how eye witmesses observed the landing gear was up...at night.
175 BAW2198 : does anybody know who CJC uses for mtc?
176 Aogdesk : 1. Someone that works at BUF most likely isn't at the exact scene of the event at the time of the event. 2. Under those circumstances, that person mo
177 KirkSeattle : This is horrible news. My condolences to the families of passengers and crew, the Continental family and the residents of Clarence Center. -Kirk
178 ElBandGeek : and that has nothing to do with this. Those were eraly model Q400s that have sence (AFAIK) had the issue resolved. SAS got rid of them for PR reasons
179 AEroc : Although it was dark and raining eye whitness say that the plane went down nose first...straight into the ground. Seems to me that if thats the case i
180 Mattbna : ...which is basically what I said. I'd rather have accurate information than quick information any day. --
181 Post contains images Osiris30 : I think it's probably a little bit premature for that just yet. While this is undoubtedly a very sad occurrance, there is no reason to believe that a
182 Flyboy7974 : Does anybody else notice that in the NY Times clip and image of the fire, dont look so deep into picture but right there up front, see that, it's the
183 Legacytravel : This reminds me the crash that killed Alan Kulwicki at Tri Cities outside of Bristol TN in 1993. There was icing and a chunk of ice was sucked into b
184 Post contains images WhoopWhoop : whipped this up on google earth. good witness who called it in at 2217 said the aircraft was flying NORTH not south west as he drove eastbound on Clar
185 JCS17 : It's all icing, unfortunately.
186 Dc863 : I hope I'm wrong too.
187 Iowaman : There's all kinds of icing reports, one a few minutes before the crash of a Cessna I believe wanting to get higher immediately, and numerous reports o
188 A318 : We can check who the crew members were on our employee website.
189 Longhornmaniac : According to Google Earth, Long St. is about 6.2 miles from the threshold for 23 at KBUF, FWIW. Cheers, Cameron
190 Radarbeam : I just finished listening to the ATC recording. The lack of a May Day or Pan Pan is troubling. It could mean the crew had very little time to react to
191 N104UA : Please DO NOT release the names let the families be notified first from the proper people and the NTSB so they can decide when they want to release t
192 Nws2002 : That's what I thought it sounded like too, like someone said something funny and she was trying hard not to laugh. I've been calling everyone I can t
193 Longhornmaniac : I agree. The fact that the plane created such a large crater in congruence with the lack of a distress call tells me this happened really suddenly, a
194 Post contains links KDTWFlyer : Did some research... When ATC said 3 miles from KLUMP intersection located here http://www.fallingrain.com/waypoint/US/KLUMP.html the crash site was l
195 Post contains links 73g : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/COA9999 Continental's 'Go Team' flight should be departing IAH for BUF any minute.
196 Layzhon : This is the house where the aircraft crashed is 6038 Long st. Clarence, NY....It clearly shows up on google maps......tail number is 3407
197 Skoker : NO. That is the flight number.
198 Osiris30 : That's the flight number. The tail number has already been established.
199 F9Animal : I listened to it too, and had chills up my spine. She sounded very calm, maybe a little busy on the last transmission. I am deeply saddened by this,
200 Layzhon : Yeah sorry about that, my mixup
201 Post contains links Flyusairways : It appears Colgan will have a team enroute as well. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...6/history/20090213/0640Z/KHEF/KBUF
202 Post contains links LHR380 : This is not the news anyone wants to wake up to, Very sad news indeed Here is the BBC report on the accident http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas
203 Post contains links HB-IWC : Please continue the discussion in part 2 of this thread: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4315587/ This thread is now
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