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DL Reinstates TLH-MCO/TPA/FLL With Mesaba Saabs  
User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1332 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8295 times:

Loaded on delta.com starting in April.


My definition of cool ? Not trying so hard to be cool.
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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8259 times:

Two daily Saab 340s between TLH and MCO/TPA/FLL, starts April 1.

User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1954 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8242 times:

Well this was unexpected...

It'll be interesting to see how it does


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8119 times:

It will be interesting to see "Delta Express" planes back at the 60s gates at MCO. Will these be flying in Delta colors or Northwest colors? I am not aware of any Saabs painted in Delta colors yet.

User currently offlineShadez From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8103 times:

It was reported in a TLH paper about a mounth ago that Florida and DL were close to an agreement. Good to see the negotiations worked out. This comes as CO Connection just announced MCO-TLH today as well.

Also according to this article (http://www.tallahassee.com/article/20090211/BREAKINGNEWS/90211025), TLH and DL are in negotiatons for DCA service.

Here is the details of the deal made:

The revenue guarantee by the city, county and state dropped accordingly, from $2 million to $1.5 million. The money would be paid only if Delta had losses on the flights.


User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8104 times:



Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 3):
It will be interesting to see "Delta Express" planes back at the 60s gates at MCO.

Not to play words, but "Delta Express" does not exist. This would be "Delta Connection".

Delta Express was the LCC loser like US Metrojet and Delta Song  Smile


User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1954 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8103 times:



Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 3):
It will be interesting to see "Delta Express" planes back at the 60s gates at MCO.

Delta Express never had planes at the 60 gates. DL express (the 732 operations) operated out of the 90s and then later the 70s before they were folded back into DL mainline operation.

Also, will these saabs be operated out of the 70s to save on gate space? I can't imagine the 60 gates being reopened.


User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8103 times:



Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 3):
It will be interesting to see "Delta Express" planes back at the 60s gates at MCO.

Don't you mean "Delta Connection" or is Delta operating the previous NW Airlink a/c as Delta Express?


User currently offlineSunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2058 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8053 times:

Hey XJ people in FL, Wild man. Welcome.


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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7880 times:



Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 6):
Also, will these saabs be operated out of the 70s to save on gate space? I can't imagine the 60 gates being reopened.

How would using the 70s save gate space? I think you're confusing something here. The 60s are the remote spots along the tram tracks. The 70s is the main DL terminal. The 80s are for BA and VS and some DL. The 90s are for FL. Using the remote spots would save gate space, which is the 60s.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7845 times:

Now the question remains what communities lose service for these rather weak point to point routes.


"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1954 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7846 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 9):

How would using the 70s save gate space? I think you're confusing something here. The 60s are the remote spots along the tram tracks. The 70s is the main DL terminal. The 80s are for BA and VS and some DL. The 90s are for FL. Using the remote spots would save gate space, which is the 60s.

I know what the 60s are. I worked the ramp there for Comair for over a year. I guess I should say using the 70s would save DL gate space fees. Using the 70s would save DL from having to pay GOAA for the use of those 60 gates. Not to mention, DL ripped all the technology out of the gate 60 holding area and this would force them to reinstall all that, meaning $$$$.


User currently offlineSkymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7806 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 1):
Two daily Saab 340s between TLH and MCO/TPA/FLL, starts April 1.

Darn! As a TLH resident I was aware of this potential but really wanted those E35 Jungle Jets back! Sad . They would get to MCO and TPA in what seemed like 25 or so minutes!
We will appreciate the fact that there is service, though!
We also would love to see TLH-MIA on DL, instead of AA!

As for TLH - DCA, that is a puzzler to me. DL has tried JFK, DFW and CVG as longer legs from TLH over the years, but none really worked out.

Personally (especially somewhat selfishly as a lifetime PM) , I would love to see TLH - MEM up-gauged to a 2 class CR9 or E70 to give us more connection flexibility with the NW merger ..



I love to fly, and it shows!
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7756 times:



Quoting Skymiler (Reply 12):
Personally (especially somewhat selfishly as a lifetime PM) , I would love to see TLH - MEM up-gauged to a 2 class CR9 or E70 to give us more connection flexibility with the NW merger ..

While you won't like to hear this, I imagine we'll see some TLH-hub flying go Saab to get these aircraft to Florida.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1630 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7735 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
I imagine we'll see some TLH-hub flying go Saab to get these aircraft to Florida.

Just like the old days.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 10):
Now the question remains what communities lose service for these rather weak point to point routes.

I don't know if we can say that quite yet, though it will be interesting to see where they get the airplanes from. My guess is that before we have cities lose service, there'll be some SF3 flights that get bumped up to a CRJ.



Hey Swifty
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7696 times:



Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 14):
My guess is that before we have cities lose service, there'll be some SF3 flights that get bumped up to a CRJ.

 checkmark My guess is that's right. Some of the L-O-N-G (>350 mile) routes don't make as much sense on the SF3 as they did before the aircraft were effectively restricted to 30 seats.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineJosh32121 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7686 times:



Quoting Skymiler (Reply 12):
As for TLH - DCA, that is a puzzler to me. DL has tried JFK, DFW and CVG as longer legs from TLH over the years, but none really worked out.

I'm guessing the difference with DCA is the expectation (or guarantee) of government business/legislative-related traffic that doesn't apply to JFK, DFW, or CVG. Those sound like hub feeds that


User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7631 times:



Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 11):
I know what the 60s are. I worked the ramp there for Comair for over a year. I guess I should say using the 70s would save DL gate space fees. Using the 70s would save DL from having to pay GOAA for the use of those 60 gates. Not to mention, DL ripped all the technology out of the gate 60 holding area and this would force them to reinstall all that, meaning $$$$.

I didn't realize that was you Idle, LOL. That makes sense. When it comes to money, yes it would save a lot of money. If they do go ahead and use the 70s, it'll look quite strange to see a 340 next to a 757 or 767 (for a little while longer at least). I'll be looking forward to seeing that every day.


User currently offlineSteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1764 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7611 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 18):
If they do go ahead and use the 70s, it'll look quite strange to see a 340 next to a 757 or 767 (for a little while longer at least). I'll be looking forward to seeing that every day.

It is indeed a stark contrast. At DTW, the SF3 arrivals from YXU and YKF have to deplane at the gates with customs access, which puts them right in the middle of the 330s and 744s. They don't stay long, though, as they don't board their next outbound flight from the widebody gates.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7588 times:



Quoting Steex (Reply 19):
They don't stay long, though, as they don't board their next outbound flight from the widebody gates.

...though they once did (they had a little Saab farm at, IIRC, A46).



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7768 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7540 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 1):
Two daily Saab 340s between TLH and MCO/TPA/FLL, starts April 1.

This will be interesting. I'm surprised that they just didn't use 50 seaters since they are not in short supply in the merged DL system. TLH is a market that might be more resiliant to turboprops.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 15):
Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 14):
My guess is that before we have cities lose service, there'll be some SF3 flights that get bumped up to a CRJ.

My guess is that's right. Some of the L-O-N-G (>350 mile) routes don't make as much sense on the SF3 as they did before the aircraft were effectively restricted to 30 seats.

Saab utilization has been rather low so they can do a lot more with the current fleet as it is. I wouldn't look for anything to be cut, markets that in the holy-grail triangle between DTW, ATL, CVG will likely go all RJ (like CRW, LEX, ROA), pulling Saabs off of those cities.
TLH flying will require 2-3 Saabs.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 20):
Quoting Steex (Reply 19):
They don't stay long, though, as they don't board their next outbound flight from the widebody gates.

...though they once did (they had a little Saab farm at, IIRC, A46).

They turned A46 & A50 into Saab/RJ gates (3 per widebody gate) when they were rebuilding Concourse C. They still use A46 to park Saab/RJ's from Canadian cities without customs pre-clearance, but tow the aircraft over to C after the passengers are unloaded, where they walk right into the terminal and go down to the INS area.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7535 times:



Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 21):
I wouldn't look for anything to be cut, markets that in the holy-grail triangle between DTW, ATL, CVG will likely go all RJ (like CRW, LEX, ROA), pulling Saabs off of those cities.

The all-Saab cities in that triangle (e.g. TRI, PAH) will likely remain all Saab, though.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineSkymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7467 times:



Quoting Falcon Flyer (Thread starter):
Loaded on delta.com starting in April

Indeed, there they are, but at quite a price!

TLH - FLL twice a day non-stop!

What is rather amusing on Delta.com is a routing TLH - FLL for 02 April that uses a connection from TLH that goes to MCO (on a Saab!), then MCO - JFK and then JFK - FLL! $200 cheaper than the non-stop!

Mileage run, anybody?  Smile



I love to fly, and it shows!
User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7441 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 10):
Now the question remains what communities lose service for these rather weak point to point routes.

Intra-florida from the panhandle is typically very high yielding.


User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4023 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7427 times:

The April schedules should be posted on the company intranet shortly... and that will help indicate where the planes will come from. The more interesting part, is how they'll crew these planes. That we'll find out March 12th, when we start bidding for April flying. Since there is no base in ATL or TLH or any other FL city, it will be presumably crewed via bridging into TLH somehow and then likely a 4 day trip of bouncing around FL.

Edit - upon further investigation on delta.com it appears this service will be done with 2 saabs one which overnights in TLH and one which overnights in FLL. Further, neither MEM-TLH nor ATL-TLH will be (as of today in the schedules) operated by saabs. So... either crews will deadhead into TLH and fly these trips or a bridge hasn't been loaded into the schedule. Here are the schedules:

Saab #1

FLL-TLH 630-805
TLH-MCO 835-940
MCO-TLH 1010-1120
TLH-MCO 1400-1505
MCO-TLH 1540-1650
TLH-FLL 1800-1930

Saab #2

TLH-TPA 700-755
TPA-TLH 825-925
TLH-FLL 955-1120
FLL-TLH 1500-1635
TLH-TPA 1730-1825
TPA-TLH 1850-1950

[Edited 2009-02-13 09:43:37]

25 MAH4546 : Weak? Intra-Florida from TLH is a gold mine. Just ask AA and 3M. I question, though, why the government is paying Delta to fly these routes when 3M i
26 DELTA7478 : Tha'ts good to hear, I wonder if they will ever add a JAX-MCO or JAX-FLL. What do you guys think ??
27 Skymiler : Many years ago (mid-80's) Piedmont had a great Intra-state service on F28's. Covered all of the State from the Keys to PNS with good schedules. Veryy
28 Dlcnxgptjax : According to the PDF schedule the saabs will come in from MEM then do intra Florida flying.
29 Steex : Interestingly, I was playing around on delta.com looking for changes to the MEM-TLH or ATL-TLH schedules to see where these Saabs may be coming from.
30 MOBflyer : So will there be any revenue MEM-TLH flights on the Saab?
31 Jetlanta : They are not weak at all. These markets are historically goldmines. When fuel spiked, the economics on RJ's fell apart. The grounding of over 100 RJ'
32 Dlcnxgptjax : Yeah they looked like revenue flight numbers if I remember correctly. Can't check now because I'm on my phone but will check later
33 Azjubilee : Looking at nwa.com and delta.com there are no saabs operating anything from a hub to TLH. What PDF schedules are you referring to? The one on nwa.com
34 Dlcnxgptjax : The PDF is published on deltanet if you know how to find it. It's kinds tricky.
35 C767P : I notice that there is no MCO-FLL. If you want to do this route you have to connect through TLH. MCO-FLL was done before these flights were cut, why w
36 Azjubilee : Ah... we don't have access to deltanet just yet. I guess the res systems aren't updated yet.
37 Pbiflyer : CO Connecton also restarted PBI - TLH on 2/12/09. Service is twice daily on Beech 1900's
38 Nwaesc : Apologies if I missed it, but what did DL previously fly these routes with? EMB-120's? ATR's?
39 C767P : They were all flown with Freedom ERJ-135s.
40 MCOflyer : I agree with MAH that intra Florida is a gold mine. With FSU and the capital being located at TLH, its a no brainer. Also, I'm willing to bet money th
41 DeltaL1011man : none. upgrading of the longer SF3 routes to CR2s will free a good bit of SF3s up for more new/Delta routes. If FL pays for it then DL will do it.....
42 OB1504 : Hopefully, we'll have DL back as a viable intrastate competitor to 3M and AA/MQ/OW.
43 MAH4546 : Although this is an equipment-sensitive market, especially to Miami/Fort Lauderdale, so it will be interesting to see how DL does nonetheless. 3M has
44 MCOflyer : I think of two more reasons: 3M refuses to operate any other a/c type that has a lavatory 3M doesn't offer perks that competitors do not
45 OB1504 : Has 3M ever considered moving up to a larger aircraft type? Do they still have their Brasilia fleet?
46 Acidradio : XJ is going to interesting places I would have never imagined in the past. Does this mean a mini crew base in TLH or will everyone be deadheaded?
47 KingAir200 : At first glance, it looks like TLH-FLL will become the third longest SF3 route too, behind only the MEM and DTW runs to TRI.
48 PSU.DTW.SCE : The XJ Saabs are going to feel like an Eskimo at the equator in these markets. They're so used to flying into places like BJI, HIB, MQT, PLN, CMX whe
49 KingAir200 : Oh yeah. It'll be funny to see them on the ramp in FLL, TPA, and MCO. I bet the trips will go pretty senior too. I'd rather have a short layover in F
50 Nkops : I would guess with NK and WN doing MCO-FLL so many times a day that yields on this route are extremely low..
51 Post contains images MarcoPoloWorld : Good old Tallahassee....
52 Cubsrule : If the rumored MEM-TLH materializes, it'll be the fourth-longest. MEM-TLH is longer than any of them.
53 DeltaL1011man : IMHO MEM-TLH would be on a CRJ. ATL-TLH on an SF3 sounds much more likely. (IIRC they use to run the ATRs down to TLH from here)
54 KingAir200 : Already is.
55 Cubsrule : Unless they're planning a significant ramp up of ATL Saab operations (and a crew base), routing the aircraft through ATL is going to be tricky from a
56 DeltaL1011man : tis true but in the summer they would have to leave alot of PAX behind. May not be able to make money with it. May end up with an ATL crew base. Like
57 Cubsrule : ...but the point isn't to make money. The point is to get an aircraft and crews to TLH in the easiest way possible. That's why I said that, if they d
58 Planeguy727 : As a former TLH resident and gov't employee we often used the CO connection Shorts 330 & 360 flights to TPA and MIA. I remember my boss being upset ab
59 Expressjet_erj : Freedom did not operate ERJ135s, the 135s were Chautauqua. Freedom operated 145s after CHQ left MCO
60 EGLboi : How much connecting rev will come from these flights? Don't most DL pax connect via ATL?
61 Azjubilee : They're not going to open a crew base in ATL for 5 saabs. Heck, they weren't even going to open one for 15 CRJs! It's expensive to open a crew base, e
62 Tlhgator : Its not being done for connecting pax. Its more for the direct service and pax that will utilize this service, those being lobbyists and the gov't ty
63 Azjubilee : Just an update... looks like there will be what appears as a one time flight between MEM-TLH on a saab for 3/31. It seems as though it will be positio
64 Azjubilee : Confirmed this afternoon by company announcement... the TLH DL Connection flying will be fed by a daily MEM-TLH NWA Airlink flight. NW2719 MEM-TLH 142
65 Cubsrule : Is that replacing or supplementing the CRJ turn at about the same time (2255/ 2223)?
66 Azjubilee : I'm not sure... it didn't say, but I'd guess it replaces the CRJ. We'll know for sure when PARS gets updated.
67 Cubsrule : Interesting; that would be a net loss of 25 seats or so. Maybe that's all right with all the ATL-TLH service or maybe (wishful thinking here) TLH wil
68 Azjubilee : Much of the traffic can be spread out over MEM and ATL now. While a decrease is seen in the MEM-TLH service, it can be made up by flying via ATL. Tech
69 FlyPNS1 : Yes. It's a small cut and most destinations can just as easily be reached via ATL where DL runs like 10 daily flights.
70 AirNovaBAe146 : Realistically how many seats will the Saab have for the intra-FL flying? I know the SF340B is a 34 seat aircraft, but with increased pax/bag weights a
71 FLFlyer : I live in MCO, but fly during the summer out of DTW on the Mesaba Saabs and cannot wait to "broil" in the sun of Florida during the summer. FUN.
72 Cubsrule : I'd look to what routes like MEM-TRI or MEM-LEX go out with in the summer. Those routes are close to the same length, and while MEM is a bit higher t
73 Azjubilee : Yes, it gets hot in the saab. As long as the station is diligent enough about getting the ground a/c hooked up, the periods of time in which the plane
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