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HA Flt 451 To SYD On-time Statistics  
User currently offlineLahaina From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 259 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4460 times:

Does anyone know what the on-time percentage is for HA Flight 451 from HNL-SYD? Where is inbound plane for FLT 451 from? What is the average delay (in minutes)? Has this flight ever been diverted due to curfew? If so, where does it get diverted to?

Halfa, I hope you read this message, as you would know the answer.

Thanks in advance.

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User currently offlineHaynflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4413 times:

According to Travelocity, flight 451 is on-time just 63% of the time. Though every time I have flown it, it was on time. As for the inbound flight, I always thought the the SYD aircraft turned and went back to SYD but I could (and probabaly am) incorrect.

We'll wait until we hear from someone in the know.



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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1354 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 4263 times:

Interesting topic since this is the flight that I work more often than not, I decided to do some checking.

Quoting Lahaina (Thread starter):
Does anyone know what the on-time percentage is for HA Flight 451 from HNL-SYD?

I did a little research and found some answers for this year. HA flt 451 has operated 19 times thus far from HNL to SYD.
15 of the 19 times or 78.94%, the flight statistically (meaning the DOT's definition of ontime which is within 15 minutes of scheduled departure) was on time.

9 of the 19 times or 47.36% of the time, it departed early.

4 of the 19 times or 21.05% of the time, it departed later than 15 minutes after scheduled departure. One of those times, it departed 16 minutes late, another time it was 30 minutes late, and the two other times, the delays were 1:11, and 1:33.

Quoting Lahaina (Thread starter):
Where is inbound plane for FLT 451 from?

There doesn't seem to be a set pattern for this. The SYD aircraft will often come in from the West Coast, or from the early morning flight from LAS.

Quoting Lahaina (Thread starter):
What is the average delay (in minutes)?

For this year, when the flight was delayed, the average delay was 52.30 minutes. (based on the 4 times it was delayed this year)

Quoting Lahaina (Thread starter):
Has this flight ever been diverted due to curfew? If so, where does it get diverted to?

This May will mark the 5th anniversary of this flight. In the 5 years of operation, I can recall the flight only being diverted once due to curfew. The flight was actually on time, but there were thunder storms in SYD and so the flight diverted to MEL. By the time the storms cleared, the SYD curfew had gone into effect and so they had to wait until the nest morning to get to SYD.

Quoting Haynflyer (Reply 1):
As for the inbound flight, I always thought the the SYD aircraft turned and went back to SYD but I could (and probabaly am) incorrect.

Actually no. The return flights to HNL arrive in HNL on WED, FRI, and SUN, with the outbound to SYD operates on THU, SAT, and TUE.

If we were to use statistics from the days when I work this flight, the ontime arrival percentage would be nearly 100%. It has been several years since I was onboard a delayed SYD flight, and I work this flight on average about 3 to 4 times per month.

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 4249 times:



Quoting HALFA (Reply 2):
Aloha,
HALFA

Thanks. Since you work this flight, often, how do see the loads in relation to other HA flights? Is the mix of pax mostly Hawaiians, or are there a lot of Aussies and/or mainland Americans?



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User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2561 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 4241 times:

There was another thread on this general subject (a delayed flight into SYD & the curfew) a couple of days ago that somehow got removed. Here's what I'd posted on that one:

I'm a pilot for HA, and have flown the SYD flights many times. Normally if we have a problem in HNL that will delay us close to or beyond the curfew, we simply won't go because it is easer (and much less expensive) to have the passengers wait about 12 hours in HNL and leave for a morning arrival rather than try and find hotel rooms at the last minute for 250 people in MEL, BNE, or CBR. If we know about a problem early enough, we'll simply switch aircraft before boarding in HNL and avoid the expensive problem of missing the curfew that way. Most of the time the aircraft going to SYD comes in either early that morning (about 6 am) from LAS, or the previous evening from LAX (around 9pm). That is when a lot of maintenance checks can be done, and the plane is almost always ready to go long before the SYD flight departs.

If the original poster is talking about a recent flight into SYD, I think I know which one it was. I wasn't on it, but they actually got the plane in, and turned it around in a truly unbelieveable 25 minutes, just beating the curfew. I haven't talked to the crew from that outbound flight, but I'd like to hear how they did it! (It normally takes about 90 minutes to turn our 767's)

Our normal alternate on the flight plan for SYD is either CBR or BNE, but if we actually have to go somewhere other than SYD because of weather, we'll coordinate with our dispatch to find the best place to go. We usually have enough fuel upon reaching SYD to hold for an hour or more before we have to begin looking for somewhere else to land.

HAL



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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1354 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 4170 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
Thanks. Since you work this flight, often, how do see the loads in relation to other HA flights? Is the mix of pax mostly Hawaiians, or are there a lot of Aussies and/or mainland Americans?

I would say on average, about 65% of our passengers on this route are Australians going on holiday to Hawaii, and about 15-20% of them are continuing to either LAX or LAS at some point during their trip.
About 30% of the passengers are Americans visiting Australia, and the other 5% are either Canadian, Brits, Kiwi's, or New Caledonians.

I notice more and more these days that most of our Business Class passengers are Americans, and most of them lately are going on cruises between Sydney and New Zealand.

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlineLahaina From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4099 times:

HALFA and HAL
I am on Flt 451 on 20 March and have to connect in SYD for MEL. I have 3 hours to connect, assuming FLT 451 gets in on time. It is a Thursday departure. Do you think the chances of it arriving on-time are good?

Halfa, where you on HNL-SFO flight on January 1, 2009?


User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1354 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 4071 times:



Quoting Lahaina (Reply 6):
Do you think the chances of it arriving on-time are good?

I think the chances of it arriving on time are excellent! At the very least, 3 hours is a lot of time. You shouldn't have any problems making your connection to MEL. Many of our passengers on our SYD flights connect to MEL and BNE.

Quoting Lahaina (Reply 6):
Halfa, where you on HNL-SFO flight on January 1, 2009?

No, I was in SYD for New Years. I haven't worked a SFO flight in a few years.

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlineLahaina From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week ago) and read 3958 times:

Halfa:

For this flight, HA's web shows that for C, there is a hot meal, followed by a midflight frozen treat, followed by a turkey sandwich before landing. What is the frozen treat? Is the turkey sandwich the same for C and Y?

Thanks


User currently offlineTayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3912 times:

20th March is a friday so if you miss the connection to MEL you'll only have to wait 30minutes for the next available flight.

Getting stuck in SYD on a weekend is more painful because the frequency is hourly rather than half-hourly (or every 15 min in peaks).

QF497 is the last QF departure for MEL at 22:20 and DJ894 is the last DJ deaprture for MEL at 21:15


User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1354 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3840 times:



Quoting Lahaina (Reply 8):
What is the frozen treat? Is the turkey sandwich the same for C and Y?

C class is served guava/raspberry sorbet, y class is served Ben & Jerry's Chocolate Fudge Brownie Ice Cream.

We are no longer serving a turkey sandwich in C class before landing, although Y class is still being served a turkey and cheese croissant sandwich before landing, as far as I know. I have been off for the last month on vacation, however I will be working the flight to SYD tomorrow, so if the meals are different, I'll let you know.

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3328 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3603 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
Thanks. Since you work this flight, often, how do see the loads in relation to other HA flights? Is the mix of pax mostly Hawaiians, or are there a lot of Aussies and/or mainland Americans?

I can't assist with above, but fair to say that 95% of the traffic is Australia-Hawaii-Mainland USA.

United States of America 57,108
Canada 1,277
United Kingdom 293
Mexico 144
New Caledonia 143
Japan 115
New Zealand 104
Fiji 102


of the USA-Australia traffic (57,108), 40399 movements were by Australian passport holders (70%)...

confirms HALFAs:

Quoting HALFA (Reply 5):
I would say on average, about 65% of our passengers on this route are Australians going on holiday to Hawaii, and about 15-20% of them are continuing to either LAX or LAS at some point during their trip.
About 30% of the passengers are Americans visiting Australia, and the other 5% are either Canadian, Brits, Kiwi's, or New Caledonians.



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