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CO To Start IAH-FRA  
User currently offlineSYDAircargo From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 242 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 7116 times:

don´t know if it was posted before.

i just been told that CO will start IAH-FRA in Nov. this year. they will have a 777 on that route.
due to them joining Staralliance there will be a shift of flights from AMS to FRA.

sorry if this was posted before.

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User currently offlineGlobaldude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 7005 times:

767-200 was the original plan

User currently offlineSYDAircargo From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6780 times:

my source at the CO cargo team said 777 and was hopnig to get the dreamliner soon.he said CO would be one of the first clients to get them and he thinks we might see them coming to FRA . if they ever get in the Air.

User currently offlineCastropRauxel From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6748 times:

Sooooo expected and yet such wonderful news. it's great to see CO already starting to work closely with STAR and also how other STAR member are gradually aligning with CO and EWR.

User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3635 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6676 times:

This was announced back in December 2008

Continental Airlines Announces Daily Nonstop Service Between Houston and Frankfurt

It is still set to start as a 762. This is technically the 2nd IAH-FRA flight. The current one is via EWR while this will be the first nonstop. Eventually the plane could move up to either the 772 or the 787s. CO is expecting their first 787 sometime in 2010.



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User currently offlineHirnie From Germany, joined May 2004, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6512 times:

Will LH then keep the 744 on this toute or will they downgrade to let's say A343/6?
Any ideas?


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8492 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 6308 times:
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Quoting Hirnie (Reply 5):
Will LH then keep the 744 on this toute or will they downgrade to let's say A343/6?

I would think that with important *A hubs at each end of the route there should be enough traffic for daily LH 744 and daily CO service as well



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 6183 times:

Bummer about the 762- that's less capacity than a daily 757-200!
Doesn't seem like much of a vote of confidence in traffic on the route, or connecting traffic, either.
But I'd definitely take the codeshare on LH's 744. I haven't flown LH before, having stuck with KL and NW.

Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 4):
CO is expecting their first 787 sometime in 2010.

Really? I though Sir Lawrence of Kellner said at the DO that it'd be fourth quarter 2011.


User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3635 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 6034 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 7):
Really? I though Sir Lawrence of Kellner said at the DO that it'd be fourth quarter 2011.

Shhhh!!!  shhh  It wasn't mentioned by others or released by the media, but it was discussed during the Larry & Jeff show, which had the disclaimer "Proprietary & Confidential".



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 5973 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 7):
Really? I though Sir Lawrence of Kellner said at the DO that it'd be fourth quarter 2011.

Wow! So, if correct, the represents what a 3 year delay.



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User currently offlineADXMatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 947 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 5327 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 7):
Bummer about the 762- that's less capacity than a daily 757-200!

The B757-200 has 1 seat more then the B767-200 ... The 767-200 has more J class though.

Where did the 757-200 come from? The OP heard it was going to go from a 767-200 to a 777.

Shares is still showing a B762

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 7):
Doesn't seem like much of a vote of confidence in traffic on the route, or connecting traffic, either.

I don't think it is as much a lack of confidence as a lack of B777 equip available.,


User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3635 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 5290 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 7):
Doesn't seem like much of a vote of confidence in traffic on the route, or connecting traffic, either.

Also, other than the Asian routes where it requires the 772, most European flights usually start off with the 762 or 752 and work their way up to 764 or 772 if yields permit as well as aircraft availability. I was on the inaugural IAH-AMS back in 2002 and it was on the 762. It has seen the 764 and at times double daily. Now it will be a 772 flight. It will take some time for the market to grow as well as how they will coordinate their schedules with LH.



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3843 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 5162 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 4):
CO is expecting their first 787 sometime in 2010.

Wow...........you are very optimistic!!!



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User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3635 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3973 times:



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 12):
Wow...........you are very optimistic!!!



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 8):
It wasn't mentioned by others or released by the media, but it was discussed during the Larry & Jeff show, which had the disclaimer "Proprietary & Confidential".




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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3843 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3858 times:

there is no way that we will be able to take delivery of this bird in 2010. Test flights haven't even begun. It will be atleast 2Q2011 by the time we see the bird in our colors.  Sad


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User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3727 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 7):
Bummer about the 762- that's less capacity than a daily 757-200!



Quoting ADXMatt (Reply 10):
The B757-200 has 1 seat more then the B767-200 ... The 767-200 has more J class though.

Where did the 757-200 come from? The OP heard it was going to go from a 767-200 to a 777.

There is no way the 757-200W fleet is going to do IAH-FRA! 5232 miles via Great Circle is definitely far beyond the legs of the 757-200W. Boeing quotes the B757-200 range as 3900 nautical miles. Even with blended winglets, no CO 757 is getting near 5200+ miles range.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3321 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 8):
Shhhh!!!    It wasn't mentioned by others or released by the media, but it was discussed during the Larry & Jeff show, which had the disclaimer "Proprietary & Confidential".

Well, considering that I wasn't AT the DO, the only place I could have gathered that info would be... your blog. Or the blogs of other FTers.

Quoting ADXMatt (Reply 10):
I don't think it is as much a lack of confidence as a lack of B777 equip available.,

Valid point.

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 15):
There is no way the 757-200W fleet is going to do IAH-FRA! 5232 miles via Great Circle is definitely far beyond the legs of the 757-200W. Boeing quotes the B757-200 range as 3900 nautical miles. Even with blended winglets, no CO 757 is getting near 5200+ miles range.

That was not my point at all- I am certainly aware of the capabilities and limitations of the 757!!!! Haha. My point was that a 767-200 is NOT very much airplane to put on a route between two HUGE Star hubs, like IAH and FRA.
I was expecting they'd swap the 772 from AMS to FRA. But, clearly, I am not in charge of planning at Continental. Which is a good thing- they seem to do a pretty fair job.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7322 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3027 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 16):
I was expecting they'd swap the 772 from AMS to FRA.

Theres a very good reason for that. IAH-AMS is a very high yeilding oil route. IAH-FRA is going to be more of a connection route. Most of the High Yielding traffic between Texas and FRA actually comes more from the Dallas/Fort Worth area because of military and financial connections. With Amsterdam however, Houston accounts for almost all of Texas' high yielding traffic there so leaving the 777 on IAH-AMS is the right move.

With LH having a 744, CO starting off with a 762 isnt a bad thing. They will just let the route mature and see what happens.



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