NAVEGA From United States, joined Nov 1999, 715 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4950 times:
Have read various comments in Airliners refering to the fact the Mexicana's 3-3-3
seating in coach is really not a good idea.
I recently flew on their new A330 to CUN and I was pleasantly surprised at how comfortable
the coach cabin was with the 3-3-3 seating. Not crowded at all as I had imagined and very
similar to the same seating on the B777.
Are there any airlines flying same configuration?? I must confess that I am a Mexicana
kind of guy but very critical when it comes to flying and I honestly could not find any fault
with the 3-3-3 in the coach section of their A330. I even asked passengers if they were
comfortable and with a pretty full flight I could not come across any negative comments.
I know that some of you will say, there is a great difference between a 2 1/2 hour fllight
compared to a 11 hour or more flight but a B777 has this configuration without any complaints.
I also understand that the cabin on a B777 is wider but honestly I could not find anything to
complain about pertaining to seat pitch, isle space etc.
Just curious and would like honest, educated opinions here and please none of that Aeromexico Vs. Mexicana BS.
Summa767 From United Kingdom (England), joined Mar 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 7 Reply 2, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4847 times:
I understand that the seating capacity of MX's A330s is of 211 pax: 42 in Elite and 169 in Economy. So this is not really a packed configuration. What happens is that the space lost in seat width, is gained in pitch. I reckon that pitch is probably 35 or 36". Perhaps somebody can tell us the exact specifications.
As MX got this 2 A330s that were meant for XL - a leisure airline- configuration was to be packed, and to to change it to the more usual 2:4:2 would have meant getting new seats (saving only very few of the ones already fitted -which have precious ptvs). So it was much simpler to remove a few rows and redistribute the rest -with a considerable gain in pitch-
I would like to see for myself what the result is. I wish MX good luck with their new flights to MAD, and hope that they make themselves with a good slice of the market.
Juventus From United States, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4833 times:
Quoting Summa767 (Reply 2): I understand that the seating capacity of MX's A330s is of 211 pax: 42 in Elite and 169 in Economy. So this is not really a packed configuration. What happens is that the space lost in seat width, is gained in pitch. I reckon that pitch is probably 35 or 36". Perhaps somebody can tell us the exact specifications.
As MX got this 2 A330s that were meant for XL - a leisure airline- configuration was to be packed, and to to change it to the more usual 2:4:2 would have meant getting new seats (saving only very few of the ones already fitted -which have precious ptvs). So it was much simpler to remove a few rows and redistribute the rest -with a considerable gain in pitch-
N405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 13 Reply 4, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4721 times:
Quoting NAVEGA (Thread starter): recently flew on their new A330 to CUN and I was pleasantly surprised at how comfortable
the coach cabin was with the 3-3-3 seating. Not crowded at all as I had imagined
Interesting as the CUN flights where configured on a 330 passenger layout, Tourist was filled with 268 Y for MAD the entire plane is with 211
Quoting Summa767 (Reply 2): I reckon that pitch is probably 35 or 36"
38" if I remember right, I´ll confirm later today.
Quoting Summa767 (Reply 2): hope that they make themselves with a good slice of the market.
MEX-MAD for this "inaugural weekend" is for a 60% load factor, the MAD-MEX is running about 40%.
Saludos
Life is what happens when you have other plans.....
MaverickM11 From United States, joined Apr 2000, 11910 posts, RR: 51 Reply 5, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4716 times:
Quoting NAVEGA (Thread starter): I must confess that I am a Mexicana
kind of guy but very critical when it comes to flying and I honestly could not find any fault
with the 3-3-3 in the coach section of their A330
I'm a big believer in 9 abreast for Airbus widebodies, at least from a financial perspective. From a passenger perspective I'd take more pitch over width any day of the week.
A342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 3831 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4430 times:
I recently flew on a A333 with nine-abreast in Y ( Air Caraibes ). The seat was surprisingly wide, but shoulder width can be an issue with certain seatmates.
Skyone From Mexico, joined Feb 2001, 214 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4329 times:
Wow, I am amazed!!!
I will be flying that route and plane for $300 USD at the end of march. This is the best news. I thought they would be turning into 2-4-2, but sounds logical to not change seats and instead put 36 to 38´´ pitch. I would rather go Pitch than abreast.
And keeping the PTV´s was an excelent Idea, as they will have a similar product to AM and can compete anytime.
Please report on the Pitch the airplane will have from the time it starts MAD flights.
Ghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 4626 posts, RR: 56 Reply 11, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4306 times:
Quoting N405MX (Reply 4): Interesting as the CUN flights where configured on a 330 passenger layout, Tourist was filled with 268 Y for MAD the entire plane is with 211
Negative 405. In the first days indeed aircraft flew with 330 seats. Effectively Jan 24th, 2009, XA-MXQ was introduced with the new 211 and XA-MXP went to ground for reconfiguration. This Tuesday was the official presentation of this bird, and this same guy was the one in charge of MAD's inaugural flight.
Quoting DELTA7478 (Reply 6): Does the MX A330 have the IFE system like Aeromexico's 777's ??
B772s vs A332s:
Yes both have IFE. AM's IFE is way better on the 777 ONLY in Clase Premier versus Mexicana's Elite. OTOH, Mexicana's IFE on Economy is way better than AM's 777.
Quoting Skyone (Reply 10): Wow, I am amazed!!! I will be flying that route and plane for $300 USD at the end of march.
Why I'm not amazed of this? Did you advice Rojo on this one? February 10th and 11th was 320 usd with taxes r/t MEX-MAD-MEX in the beautiful A330!
The 3x3x3 is kind of ok, but middle seat of the middle of the cabin SUCKS big time! Whereas the middle seat of left and right got 48 cm's width, the one in the middle has 42 cm's. I'm sorry for fat people traveling on E seat's. I'm really skinny, 82 kilos and 1.84cm... so figure how I was feeling.
g77
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Skyone From Mexico, joined Feb 2001, 214 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4267 times:
Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 11): Why I'm not amazed of this? Did you advice Rojo on this one? February 10th and 11th was 320 usd with taxes r/t MEX-MAD-MEX in the beautiful A330!
The 3x3x3 is kind of ok, but middle seat of the middle of the cabin SUCKS big time! Whereas the middle seat of left and right got 48 cm's width, the one in the middle has 42 cm's. I'm sorry for fat people traveling on E seat's. I'm really skinny, 82 kilos and 1.84cm... so figure how I was feeling.
Rojo was adviced of this promo, but you know he doesn´t live in MEX anymore.
I am sure the flight will not be full so I am looking forward to a Window seat and plenty of Pitch (I am also skinny) to be able to go to the bathroom without bothering my seat mates as it happens with IJ.
Wait, you traveled before or after the reconfiguration? I am guessing it will be great to MAD with this new pitch they are trying and by keeping the 3-3-3. How are the PTV´s? How is the variety of programs from the AVOD? Is it AVOD?
FlyDreamliner From Korea, joined Jan 2006, 2614 posts, RR: 21 Reply 14, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4257 times:
Quoting NAVEGA (Thread starter):
I recently flew on their new A330 to CUN and I was pleasantly surprised at how comfortable
the coach cabin was with the 3-3-3 seating. Not crowded at all as I had imagined and very
similar to the same seating on the B777.
The 777 is substantially wider - wider aisles and 18"+ inch seats. An A330 in 9 abreast is like a 767 in 8 abreast or a 777 in 10 abreast.
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5): I'm a big believer in 9 abreast for Airbus widebodies, at least from a financial perspective. From a passenger perspective I'd take more pitch over width any day of the week.
I enjoy pitch too, but with both pitch and width, you get to a break-even point. Seats less than 17" are not comfortable, just like seats less than 31" in pitch are not comfortable. You'll only trade one for the other to a point, i guess is what I'm saying.
"Let the world change you, and you can change the world"
Yes both have IFE. AM's IFE is way better on the 777 ONLY in Clase Premier versus Mexicana's Elite. OTOH, Mexicana's IFE on Economy is way better than AM's 777.
I also know that AM 777 has the full-flat seats on their planes. Are the A330 from MX going to have lie flat seats ?
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 4967 posts, RR: 50 Reply 17, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3886 times:
Quoting Summa767 (Reply 2): I reckon that pitch is probably 35 or 36". Perhaps somebody can tell us the exact specifications.
I read on mx.invertia.com a day or two ago that the pitch was 34". Can anyone confirm?
Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 12): Avoid the middle seat! When you fly take A,B,C,D,F,G,H and I!!!
The seats look quite narrow. I am not too happy with them being leather or pleather... cloth would have been better in my opinion. I recently did GRU-JFK with JJ on board the A332 and they have 2-4-2 configuration. I found the width comfortable but I am not so sure I would like the 3-3-3 configuration.
NAVEGA From United States, joined Nov 1999, 715 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3418 times:
Quoting DELTA7478 (Reply 16): I also know that AM 777 has the full-flat seats on their planes. Are the A330 from MX going to have lie flat seats ?
Yes the Mexicana seats lay flatter than the Aeromexico seats making them almost flat. There
are some pictures out there somewhere comparing both and Mexicana seats in Elite Class
lie flatter.
Ghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 4626 posts, RR: 56 Reply 21, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3339 times:
Quoting DELTA7478 (Reply 16): I also know that AM 777 has the full-flat seats on their planes. Are the A330 from MX going to have lie flat seats ?
MX A330 and B767s lie flat a bit more than AM's 777.
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 17): The seats look quite narrow. I am not too happy with them being leather or pleather... cloth would have been better in my opinion. I recently did GRU-JFK with JJ on board the A332 and they have 2-4-2 configuration. I found the width comfortable but I am not so sure I would like the 3-3-3 configuration.
Only Eco, the rest is pretty ok.
Quoting JoseMEX (Reply 18): I must say that I also dislike leather seats.
XL Airways heritage.
Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 19): I have been really out of the loop regarding MX. Is that the new livery on all their birds?
Yes!
g77
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NAVEGA From United States, joined Nov 1999, 715 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3008 times:
Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 22): The only thing is that I don't get the AVOD in J:
Mexicana opts or Individual Personal Entertainment Systems in their Elite Class as shown in your picture and in all their fleet including A330.
It has 8 movies to choose from, 10 music channels to listen too, 4 TV programs, 14 Video
Clips and 3 Games to choose and play.
In coach on their new A330 their Coach Class AVOD has 6 movies to choose from and 10
music Channels and I do not know about games. I am getting this information from their
inflight magazine Vuelo on my last trip with them.
Quoting Orbis (Reply 23): OTOH. What about power outlets in each seat. It´s a real plus on longhaul flights.
Yes they have power outlets in each seat in Elite Class on A330s but do not know about coach but asume they do.
Orbis From Mexico, joined Dec 2003, 231 posts, RR: 1 Reply 25, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2951 times:
Quoting NAVEGA (Reply 24): Mexicana opts or Individual Personal Entertainment Systems in their Elite Class as shown in your picture and in all their fleet including A330.
It has 8 movies to choose from, 10 music channels to listen too, 4 TV programs, 14 Video
Clips and 3 Games to choose and play.
Have all the glitches on the Panasonic IPE´s were solved??
I recall several trips to EZE where less than half actually worked.....
we should live our lives as if we were really alive!!! H.M.
26 NAVEGA: New here about the glitches as they have had IPE's for years. They are top of the art similar to what Virgin Atlantic uses on some of their flights.
27 Oxygen: Those business class seats on the A330 are ex-Cathay Pacific business class seats, though refurbished, and put in a much much larger pitch. View Large
28 Raffik: 34" seat pitch is pretty good, but 3 3 3 on an A330 is not good. I flew to Cuba on a 3 3 3 A330 of Monarch and it was hell. I would rather have more s
29 RICARIZA: Well, yes, but IMHO is not the most comfortable system. Nothing like having the screen either on the little arm between seats or on the seat in front
30 NAVEGA: You know I still do not understand post like yours. That is why I started this thread. What happens when one flys on an A330 center seats where there
31 Viscount724: Perhaps you aren't as wide or tall as the average passenger. If it was considered acceptable as a general practice, why have only the charter/leisure
32 Orbis: Why??....... Exactly....... Besides the obvious imposibility of comfortably having a 3 course meal (as advertised by mexicana) while watching a movie
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why not having attached arms or screens in front on such new plane?
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