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DL New JFK BOG Load Factor?  
User currently offlineClipperClub From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 5 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3789 times:

I have been traveling on the new dl 757 jfk - bog - jfk service, its appears the loads are light. any ideas as if this service will stick around ?

the flight connect well with the europe bank.

thx

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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3743 times:

The load factor of DL's JFK-BOG service was 71% for December. That was only for 12 days of that month (DL started service on 18th Dec). That is peak season for Colombia. A decent load factor would have extended to middle January. Clearly things have gone pear-shape from then on, as the frequencies have been reduced to 5 weekly.
Offer on NYC-BOG had increased with AV's additional flight since last Summer, and now jetBlue's NYC-MCO-BOG service, all at a time of crisis. Something might have to give..

Perhaps DL would have been better off with a second ATL-BOG (which performs very well), or even ATL to MDE (a destination that is proving resilient to the crisis so far, and that lacks the multitude of connections that DL offers at ATL. DL applied for ATL-MDE/CLO as second priority over JFK-BOG)


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3673 times:

there are many routes that are running light... the cancellation and suspension of routes worldwide is an indication of the difficulties.

Colombia frequencies are restricted and DL initiated what it feels is best for the long term.

BTW, what is the source for your data?


User currently offlineA300AA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3617 times:

DL have also reduced its ATL BOG flight this month to 6 weekly.

JFK BOG will be reduced until JUNE, but AV received approval for a daily second flight.


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3593 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 2):
BTW, what is the source for your data?

Colombia's civil aviation authority statistics page offer/demand document for December: http://portal.aerocivil.gov.co/porta...pob_page.show?_docname=6712517.XLS

In sheet 2.5 you can see DL's (as well as other airlines) total seats offered and passengers flown. In sheet 2.4 you can see BOG-ATL total (only flown by DL), therefore you can work out the rest: Which is DL's BOG-JFK.

You can also see that CO's figures are very positive -its move to make IAH-BOG- a double frequency has worked out well for them. One of the few airlines having a higher load factor than the year before.

Quoting ClipperClub (Thread starter):
its appears the loads are light

How light have the loads been?


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17672 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 3482 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 1):
A decent load factor would have extended to middle January. Clearly things have gone pear-shape from then on, as the frequencies have been reduced to 5 weekly.

The fare is also pretty low over at JFK with AV in the market, so 71% is definitely not cutting it.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineClipperClub From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3394 times:

Thanks for all of the input, i have been reading for airlines.net for years and this is my first post, I hope DL keep the JFK - BOG service, I am convinced coloumbia BOG, COL, MED is an up and coming market. reminds me of SXM 15 years ago.

WorldTraveler, I have been using my AMEX miles on DL on the route but, I have been know to use a DL buddy pass from time to time. I have noticed your informative posts re Pan Am and DL your relation to the airlines ? any time at PA ?


User currently offlineAlianza From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

Welcome ClipperClub ! I hope to get back to Colombia in the near future. Last time I was in BOG, in the mid 1990's, we had an armored car with 1 inch thick windows. Hopefully the situation is better now!!


Saludos,


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4927 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2637 times:
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In the middle of a world recession, this route is no different than many others in terms of having feast or famine loads, i.e., very full during expected peak periods and light during other times. For example, DL 395 JFK-BOG went out yesterday (Feb 14) with only a few empty seats on the 184-seat 757 (it's the start of a holiday week for most of the U.S.) but the northbound BOG-JFK had barely 60 pax...These few days being the mid-winter break, practically all southbound flights to the Caribbean and Latin America are overbooked anyway...

This is the typical travel pattern during recessionary times as people cut back on discretionary travel and many limit their trips to the 'necessary' ones or just the typical holiday period. Whereas previously there may have been more traffic during off-peak times, the recession really exacerbates the demand weakness during off-peak...


User currently offlineJigarciar From Colombia, joined May 2005, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2538 times:

I flew on January 11 on DAL395 JFK-BOG and load was at 100%, considering the route didn't have more than a month running. Despite it is a strong market, competition is hard right now and during low season it isn't easy to have good loads. I hope that this situation has been financially foreseen by the Company.

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