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Will UAL Stick With P&W Powered Engines?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1133 times:

Hi!

As you may know, there are rumours saying that UAL might order aircraft with GE Engines. Can anyone confirm this?

I thought UAL is loyal to Pratt and Whitney and they love P&W engines. Why go for GE Engines?

Do you guys think they will stick with P&W?

Hope to hear from you soon!

 Smile

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User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1098 times:

If you noticed after the Flt 232 Sioux City DC-10 accident involving a GE CF6, United has ordered on new Boeing and Airbus aircraft P&W and IAE engines? The only new aircraft with GE engines that United has ordered were CRJs for their Express division.

User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5765 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1077 times:

I don't mean to be offensable, but I have heard no rumors of United considering GE engines on any aircraft, and I have been reading threads on these forums for well over a year.

Randy


User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4780 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1076 times:

Well, if they are considering the 777-200LR/777-300ER they don't have any choice but GE engines.

User currently offlineTupolev154B2 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1066 times:

Same as "Will they stick with Boeing for jets larger than the A320?"

No, not necessarily. If they receive a very sweet deal from RR, lets say, for the 767-400 or A330, they will go for it.


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8002 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1067 times:

Actually, UA does fly planes with GE engines--their 737-300/500's use CFM56 engines (CFM International is a joint venture of GE and Groupe SNECMA of France).

Outside of the early problems with the front fan blades, the GE90 has performed sterling service on the 777-200/200ER. People forget that the GE90 was literally designed from scratch, not derived from another engine design like the PW4084/4090/4092 and Trent 800 series.

If GE offers a very good warranty package on the GE90, UA will order the 777-200LR/777-300ER. There's a good chance UA may order a fairly large number of 773ER's for many of their longer-range international services and intra-Asia flights.


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7772 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1047 times:

It is not like UA had pushed in the past to have Pratt engines on all of their aircraft... by that logic they should have ordered the DC-10-40 with the Pratt JT9Ds instead of the GE equipped -10s and -30s. $$$ can break this relationship, if the deal is sweet enough for the right plane and the right engine it will happen..


Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1046 times:

United Airline wrote:


Hi!

As you may know, there are rumours saying that UAL might order aircraft with GE Engines. Can anyone confirm this?

I thought UAL is loyal to Pratt and Whitney and they love P&W engines. Why go for GE Engines?

Do you guys think they will stick with P&W?

Hope to hear from you soon!



United Airlines as well as any other airline is really not that loyal to one company for anything. The GE engines on the 737 are the most reliable in the fleet.

While United Airlines might really love PW engines, the truth of the matter is that they will order what ever type of engines that either come on a plane that they want, or that meets their standards.


Tedski wrote:


f you noticed after the Flt 232 Sioux City DC-10 accident involving a GE CF6, United has ordered on new Boeing and Airbus aircraft P&W and IAE engines? The only new aircraft with GE engines that United has ordered were CRJs for their Express division.



United did not order the CRJ... their express carriers did with their cash...and their engine shop.

UA is on very good terms with GE. That crash could have been on Pratts or RR engines. As said above, they will order engines that either suite there needs, or that come with the plane. I know that United is considering other varients of the 777. They will have to go with the GE if they order that. Tedski...mark my words, "It's a matter of time before we see GE engines on future 777 orders at United."

Also...according to your logic about SUX accident, then why would UA order the 747 after the cargo door ripped off of one, and why would they order 737s after one had an accecdent resulting in a crash at COS?
The matter is simple...they will order what suites there needs, and if they want more 777s, they are going to have to go with the GE engines.



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User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1031 times:

What if United goes for a P&W 4000 powered 747-400ER instead of the GE90 777-300ER.

User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1023 times:

ILUV767, United at the time of the Colorado Springs accident did not have anymore 737s on order. If the CFM56s on their 737-300/500s are the most reliable engines in the fleet then why didn't they order them on their A319/A320 aircraft to share engine commonality?

User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1018 times:

Tedski wrote

ILUV767, United at the time of the Colorado Springs accident did not have anymore 737s on order. If the CFM56s on their 737-300/500s are the most reliable engines in the fleet then why didn't they order them on their A319/A320 aircraft to share engine commonality?

They got the IAE engines because they got a very sweet deal...and I mean very sweat. Those engines are not that great...but what do you expect...they went with the cheaper choice. I believe that managment is re-thinking that...they are having problems with the Airbusses in hot and high airports, and so as a result if the merger goes through, a lot of US Airways Airbusses will be going through Denver, while UA's go through everywhere else.

Tedski wrote:

What if United goes for a P&W 4000 powered 747-400ER instead of the GE90 777-300ER.


Because the 777 is a lot cheaper, and it provides a lot more cargo capacity, every other system would be common, passenger yields would be kept higher on the 773ER than the 744LR.

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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1012 times:

I see.

So will they choose thePW 4000 IFthey go for the B 747-400LR? I suppose so.

 Smile


User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1007 times:

United Airline wrote:

So will they choose thePW 4000 IFthey go for the B 747-400LR? I suppose so.


You never know. They might, or they might not.


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