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German Media : Ryanair Eying Cologne Airport  
User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5204 times:

An article in the German magazin "Aero" speaks about advanced talks between the management of CGN and Ryanair.
There is even mentioning about the possibility to use CGN as departure-site for future intercontinental flights. ..
If just another rumour and grasping free publicity or not,but CGN was whispered since longtime a candidate for a major Ryanair base.
http://www.aero.de/news.php?varnewsid=8027


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User currently offlineEI564 From Ireland, joined May 2007, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5063 times:

Bases in Cologne, Hahn and Niederrhein would certainly cover that part of Germany.

User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5052 times:

Which Terminal has space for them?

User currently offlineFlybehubby From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5045 times:



Quoting EI564 (Reply 1):
Niederrhein

Dont you mean Dusseldorf (Weeze) ?? I was quite confused when Niederrhein came up on the departure board in MAN while I was waiting for my flight.



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User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3516 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5012 times:



Quoting Richardw (Reply 2):
Which Terminal has space for them?

There is plenty of capacity left, but I would guess T2 would be the terminal of choice. The rumour that Tuifly is doing quite bad would also help, since they fly from T2, as well, and T1 is mostly used by 4U and LH right now.

I doubt that the airport will place FR close to 4U, who helped the airport so much in the recent years.

Actually, the aviation fans from CGN are a bit uncertain whether FR would be nice in CGN, but it is a fact that LH uses 4U to control CGN, while focusing mostly on DUS, so competition could help the airport, and this competition will very likely not come from Tuifly anymore.

Since this has been reported many times already, though, I would not be so sure that this is really going to happen.


User currently offlineSpeedyGonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4936 times:



Quoting Flybehubby (Reply 3):
Dont you mean Düsseldorf (Weeze) ?? I was quite confused when Niederrhein came up on the departure board in MAN while I was waiting for my flight.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weeze_Airport

The airport has undergone several name changes. The operators originally wanted to name it after the city of Düsseldorf, but the significant distance to that city, which already had three closer international airports (Düsseldorf International, Düsseldorf-Mönchengladbach and Köln/Bonn), resulted in the name being blocked by a court ruling that it was likely to mislead passengers. However, airlines which use the airport, particularly Ryanair, still refer to it as 'Düsseldorf (Weeze)'.



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User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3516 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4754 times:

In the german Forum www.cgncommunity.de is a discussion going on about CGN in general, and they usually tend to have very good insider-information about the airport, so some of you might try the site (in German)...

It seems that TuiFly will reduce capacity this summer, another sign that there might be another competitor for 4U needed in CGN, so I would not completely rule out the rumour.


User currently offlineShanxz From Singapore, joined Apr 2006, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4739 times:

Very interesting. Would this help Ryanair become a strong multi-hub operator to order multi-leg flights on a single ticket, much like Air Berlin and Tiger Airways?


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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4710 times:

The current business model of FR has served them well but might not be carved in stone for eternity.Should they really make the jump and go long-distance,they will have to accomodate some form of transfer-proceedures and multi-flight tickets.
Furthermore would a true Hub system grow their reach into new market-segments.
It's all tied to many if's and maybe's,but filling eventually more than 400 aircraft will require more flexible ways of flying.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19193 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4678 times:

That part of Germany, and also including part of the Netherlands, is one of Europe's densist areas population-wise. Wonder what, if anything, will materalise from this.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 8):
.Should they really make the jump and go long-distance,they will have to accomodate some form of transfer-proceedures and multi-flight tickets.

Yes, feed would probably be essential; indeed, AirAsia X's CEO has stated many times that it would not exist - let alone be profitable, which it is even after 1 year - but for connections. But it does not offer "official" connections but rather passengers self-connect and do everything that entails. Moreover, X itself has no short-haul flights - passengers use AirAsia or other airlines (I, for example, will be using both AirAsia and Tiger). This approach seems considerably more likely than the "Ryanair" long-haul airline - if it ever happens - offering official connections.



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User currently offlineAndie007 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 861 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4618 times:

For me it's only a method to get i a good negotiating position.
Ryanair dangles cologne Airport with nice offerings and possible routings to reduce costs for themselfes.

On the other hand, CGN has to take an opportunity to strength their posittion as low-cost-airport.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19193 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4546 times:



Quoting Andie007 (Reply 10):
Ryanair dangles cologne Airport with nice offerings and possible routings to reduce costs for themselfes.

Ryanair would offer CGN VOLUME. That is what would appeal to CGN. In return, Ryanair would want incentives - lower airport charges (perhaps not free considering CGN is in a stronger position considering existing airlines) and other incentives, such as for marketing. Naturally, FR would seek the best possible deal based on its own requirements. CGN would get less per passenger in aeronautical revenue but, so goes the theory, would in theory benefit through non-aeronautical charges, such as from car parking and retail activities, that would supplement the aeronautical revenue.



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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3164 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4488 times:

Considering the other airlines, likely the best deal Ryanair can get is the same deal as Germanwings has.

Compared to many other FR airports, CGN does seem to offer quite some retail facilities that can drive non-aeronautical revenues up.


User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4439 times:

Does CGN have enough non-schengen gates for CGN-UK flights?

User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3516 posts, RR: 29
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4337 times:



Quoting Richardw (Reply 13):
Does CGN have enough non-schengen gates for CGN-UK flights?

Yes, they even had flights to EWR until Continental dropped it, and they invested quite a lot in Terminal 2 to get it ready for all modifications required by law.

The most important challenge for CGN remains to attrackt new customers without pissing off the carriers at the airport. While the strategy to get 4U and HLX (now Tuifly) at the airport was right some years ago, it also created a dangerous dependance on LCCs, as CGN lost almost all other legacy customers (BA dropped out, LH controls 4U and has less airplanes stationed, they dropped the connection CGN-FRA due to the high-speed lane connecting cologne with Frankfurt airport, Continental did not keep the connection to NY despite acceptable results), and they struggle to attract them as they usually prefer Düsseldorf.

I still think that northrhine-westphalia is large enough to afford 2 large intercontinental airports, but today I am a bit worried about the future outlook of the airport. Lets hope they manage to attract new customers without pissing off the current ones.


User currently offlineAndie007 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 861 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4086 times:

Hmm, I think you missed my topic.
I just want to say that surely Ryanair will try to negotiate for the best price at CGN. Nevertheless, longhaul-flights from CGN are surely only one topic which CGN can gets really interested in.
In case Ryanair will accept any negotiated fees for the airport, we will see if Ryanair will ever offer longhaul flights out of this airport.
I doubt this.


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