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AA Cancels Flights Due To French Caribbean Strikes  
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27176 posts, RR: 60
Posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5199 times:

Chaos as strikes turn violent in French Caribbean
17/02/2009 - 07:58:12

Strikes that have crippled France’s Caribbean islands burst into violent clashes as police battled protesters angry at high prices and resentful of a tiny white elite on lands better known for beachside holidays.

France’s National Travel Agencies organisation said 10,000 tourists had cancelled planned holidays in Martinique and Guadeloupe. Several hotels in Guadeloupe reported yesterday that they could not accept guests because protesters were outside and staff did not show up to work.

The airport in Point-a-Pitre, Guadeloupe, was closed, according to American Airlines, which cancelled flights to the island, stranding about 15 people in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakin...index.aspx?c=world&jp=mhsnsncwidsn

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User currently offlineCaymanair From Cayman Islands, joined Apr 2004, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

This is not the time for any Caribbean country to go on strike!

Do you have any idea as to how much this is disrupting flights from FDF and PTP? These are important bases for Air Caraibes and have some other international carriers serving them as well.


User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 733 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4472 times:



Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
France’s National Travel Agencies organisation said 10,000 tourists had cancelled planned holidays in Martinique and Guadeloupe. Several hotels in Guadeloupe reported yesterday that they could not accept guests because protesters were outside and staff did not show up to work.

I do not think this type of action will improve anyone's situation in Guadeloupe and Martinique, but I am sure AUA, SXM, PUJ, UVF, BGI, etc... will be happy to welcome those guests and their tourist dollars.

AJMIA



Lady it's a jet... not a kite.
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27176 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4260 times:



Quoting Caymanair (Reply 1):
Do you have any idea as to how much this is disrupting flights from FDF and PTP?

Are these airports currently open or are they still closed?


User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4233 times:



Quoting AJMIA (Reply 2):
I do not think this type of action will improve anyone's situation in Guadeloupe and Martinique

Indeed. And these are the same folks that will be whining and bemoaning the fact that holiday makers are not visiting anymore more thus throwing them into an even worse economic turmoil.


User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 3791 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4213 times:



Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 4):
And these are the same folks that will be whining and bemoaning the fact that holiday makers are not visiting anymore more thus throwing them into an even worse economic turmoil.

The problem with those islands is that they are completely economically dependant upon 'mainland' France. Even with the tourism industry, the government sends more money to those islands than what comes out of it. They have a larger unemployement rate than any region of France and more welfare money is sent there per capita than anywhere else.

On top of that, most products are imported from France or Europe, subject to the country's high tax rate and distributed through a few family owned enterprises which have the monopoly on those products and allegedly (I personally believe they do) charge ridiculous premiums for them. The latter is what those strikes are all about.

In short, they are small islands where the average income is lower than mainland France but where the cost of living is much higher.

But yes, hurting the tourism industry and airlines/airports is not going to do much good.



Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4212 times:

AF620 is operating to PTP today:

Vol parti de Paris (ORY) à 11:18, Mer. 18 févr. 09

Arrivée prévue à Pointe à Pitre (PTP) à 14:51, Mer. 18 févr. 09


User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4150 times:



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 5):
On top of that, most products are imported from France or Europe, subject to the country's high tax rate and distributed through a few family owned enterprises which have the monopoly on those products and allegedly (I personally believe they do) charge ridiculous premiums for them. The latter is what those strikes are all about.

Hopefully within a few decades or so, mother France will look to free the islands from the colonial yoke by implementing procedures / policies to start the islands on the path to economic and regional independence. Importing from France or Europe is certainely more expensive that from countries within the region, I have never personally visited, but I do hear that shopping in Martinique is a must do.


User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 3791 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4074 times:



Quoting Par13del (Reply 7):
Hopefully within a few decades or so, mother France will look to free the islands from the colonial yoke by implementing procedures / policies to start the islands on the path to economic and regional independence.

The local population is, understandably, mostly against that, despite the existence of a few non-violent separatist groups. They would see it as a step backwards both socially and economically, and many of the advantages of being a department of France would disappear.

But you are right in saying that they live in an absurd economy where everything has to be imported from far away, up to European standards of consumption and whatnot when the rest of the surrounding Caribbean islands operate in a much more rational local economic network which allows for more sensible consumer prices. A compromise could and should be made by the French government. It is unjustifiable to have a completely isolated distribution network for these 2 islands if their local economy simply can't justify it. That being said, problems in Guadeloupe and Martinique are compounded by the limited (and apparently abusive) number of importing companies.



Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27176 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4012 times:



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 8):
They would see it as a step backwards both socially and economically, and many of the advantages of being a department of France would disappear.

The one thing I will say in favor of the ''French Departments'' is that like the Dutch ''Suriname'' Formerly Dutch Guiana they are alot better off than Guyana which was formerly ''British Guiana''.


User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3972 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 9):
The one thing I will say in favor of the ''French Departments'' is that like the Dutch ''Suriname'' Formerly Dutch Guiana they are alot better off than Guyana which was formerly ''British Guiana''.

There are examples in the other direction too (check my flag  Wink ). It's all about how well the transition is planned, etc.



I don't care what you think of my opinion. It's my opinion, so have a nice day :)
User currently offlineCaymanair From Cayman Islands, joined Apr 2004, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3913 times:



Quoting Par13del (Reply 7):
Hopefully within a few decades or so, mother France will look to free the islands from the colonial yoke by implementing procedures / policies to start the islands on the path to economic and regional independence. Importing from France or Europe is certainely more expensive that from countries within the region, I have never personally visited, but I do hear that shopping in Martinique is a must do.

Independence is not an option anymore. They had the right to self determination, and choose to integrate into the metropole (the choices are integration, free association, or independence). They are essentially as much a part of France as Paris or Nice.

And like most small island nations, they are almost entirely unsustainable and inefficient stand alone countries, so seperation from France would only be feasible in a significantly larger grouping.

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 8):
The local population is, understandably, mostly against that, despite the existence of a few non-violent separatist groups. They would see it as a step backwards both socially and economically, and many of the advantages of being a department of France would disappear.

They will be better off as part of France, and they recognized that a long time ago.


User currently offlineLXfan From France, joined Feb 2009, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3792 times:

For information,

The French Tour Opertors propose a free report of the departure date, or a free rebooking to other caribbean destination.

Air France, Corsairfly and Air Caraibes propose also a free report of the departure date. This airlines have promotions to FDF and PTP, at 420 EUR return tickets with tax.

For Air France and Corsairfly, rebooking are possible to the other caribbean destinations.

But I don't know who want to go there in holidays actually !!


User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 3791 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3645 times:



Quoting LXfan (Reply 12):
rebooking are possible to the other caribbean destinations.

But I don't know who want to go there in holidays actually !!

If I had a choice of destinations for my Caribbean holidays, the french islands would probably be my last pick (well, before Haiti...). Everything is way expensive and the service is not very good.
Many metropolitan french prefer to go there because of the language and because the tour operators have extensive or exclusive deals with local resorts.

I'm curious as to what other substitute destinations AF and Corsair offer?



Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlineLXfan From France, joined Feb 2009, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3551 times:



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 13):

I'm curious as to what other substitute destinations AF and Corsair offer?

For Air France (press release at the air france corporate site) : for passengers with a booked ticket until the 15 March 2009,
- free modification of the date, in the same reservation class, until the 15 March 2010, that's mean 1 year to use the reservation
- change to an other AF destination for a travel until the 14 june 2009. The passenger must pay the fare difference if there are.

For Corsairfly, the conditions are : for passengers withe a booked ticket until the 27 february 2009,
- free modification of the date, in the same reservation class, until the 23 octobre 2009
- change to an other corsairfly destination : St Martin, Punta-Cana, La Havane, Cancun, La Réunion, L’île Maurice.

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 13):

Many metropolitan french prefer to go there because of the language and because the tour operators have extensive or exclusive deals with local resorts.

I'm not sure of that... Many French Tour Operators have close their installations there. They are more oriented to the Dominican Republic and Cuba !


User currently offlineAFCDGPTP From France, joined Dec 2007, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3490 times:

I am currently in Guadeloupe visiting my family; PTP airport has a carefew and closes at 6P(and re-open in the morning)

All flights from & to Paris are operating earlier :

Today 19FEB09 :

AF 620 departing ORY at 11:00A iso 12:00N
AF 621 departing PTP at 04:55P iso 05:55P Arr. ORY 06:15A +1

AF 624 departing ORY at 09:00A iso 03:00P ! !
AF 625 departing PTP at 02:55P iso 09:05P !! Arriving at ORY at 06:15A ! ! ! How come ??? I know planes cannot land at ORY before 6A but it's a bit long for a 7:30 flight time ! And no stopover planned ...

SS 926 departing ORY 11:00A iso 01:00P
SS 927 departing PTP 05:00P iso 07:00P Arr ORY 06:05A +1

TX 540 departing ORY 10:10A (inchanged)
TX 541 departing PTP 04:25P (inchanged) Arr ORY 06:15A +1

TX 542 departing ORY 11:30A iso 02:10P
TX 543 departing PTP 05:30P iso 07:50P Arr ORY 08:55A +1

The problems in the french islands are much deeper than you think; I don' t wish to get into any political or race debates here, this is not the right place


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