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User currently offlineCygnusChicago From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 758 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

I don't know if this has been posted - couldn't find it here. Just saw an article on this on Fox Chicago, and googled a bit. Looks like the ORD nimbys are having another go at the OMP.

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=272843&src=1

"Foes of O'Hare International Airport expansion are ramping up efforts to scuttle the project at the same time it could stand to gain millions from the federal economic stimulus package.

"At a Tuesday news conference, Bensenville village leaders called the O'Hare Modernization Program a "scam" and "runways to nowhere.""
....
"Village leaders bristled at questions that the advertising blitz came because lawsuits trying to derail the OMP aren't working.

"Geils said Bensenville had spent "millions" fighting O'Hare modernization but the effort was "the right thing to do.""


If you cannot do the math, your opinion means squat!
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User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2140 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2819 times:

"Bensenville Village President John Geils flew to Washington D.C. last week to lobby members of Congress and interest groups such as Citizens Against Government Waste to oppose funding the O'Hare Modernization Program, or OMP.

Hope he flew out of Midway.



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User currently offlineGothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

Chicago is in the midst of an ambitious plan to build six parallel runways, aimed at reducing delays...

Wait, what? They want to build six NEW runways?


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2798 times:



Quoting GothamSpotter (Reply 2):
Wait, what? They want to build six NEW runways?

Yup, and they're needed. The parallel runways will make it quite a bit nicer to fly out of ORD - it will cut down on those times when you're no. 30 for take off.


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2780 times:



Quoting GothamSpotter (Reply 2):
Wait, what? They want to build six NEW runways?

Actually only four runways to be newly built along with four existing runways.



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User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2140 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2711 times:



Quoting Confuscius (Reply 4):
Actually only four runways to be newly built along with four existing runways.

OK, I'm confused. Didn't they just open the 7th runway at ORD recently?

They have a trio of 09/27s, a pair of 14/32s and a pair of 04/22s.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21642 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2691 times:



Quoting Threepoint (Reply 5):
Quoting Confuscius (Reply 4):
Actually only four runways to be newly built along with four existing runways.

OK, I'm confused. Didn't they just open the 7th runway at ORD recently?

The plan calls for the 14/32s to be closed.

The final result will be one with three parallels on the south side of the field (one of which exists now), three parallels on the north side (one of which has been around for a while, and one of which has just opened), and then the two 4/22s (both exist now).

So it's actually three runways to be newly built, and five existing ones (as it stands now).

-Mir



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User currently offlineMPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2677 times:



Quoting Confuscius (Reply 4):
Actually only four runways to be newly built along with four existing runways.

Actually, there is only one new runway they started with 7 and after completion they will have 8. Though four runways will practically be built from scratch three runways will also be destroyed. So the wording in the plan says that they are realigning three runways and building a new one. The new one will be the furthest runway south.



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2675 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
So it's actually three runways to be newly built, and five existing ones (as it stands now).

You got me, 9L/27R opened last November.



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User currently offlineSteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1658 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2642 times:



Quoting MPDPilot (Reply 7):
Actually, there is only one new runway they started with 7 and after completion they will have 8.

To avoid confusion (as you do clarify further in your post), there will be a net gain of one ADDITIONAL runway compared to the present, but it will be more than one NEW runway since some existing runways will be closed.


User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2140 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2407 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
The final result will be one with three parallels on the south side of the field (one of which exists now), three parallels on the north side (one of which has been around for a while, and one of which has just opened), and then the two 4/22s (both exist now).

Thanks. I can now better understand why Bensenville residents are concerned.
Will any of the new runways match the length of the existing 14R/32L? Is there a need for a 13,000 foot runway at ORD?



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User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2389 times:



Quoting CygnusChicago (Thread starter):
Looks like the ORD nimbys are having another go at the OMP.

Morons. Why would we want to modernize and expand one of the busiest airports in the world? Why plan for future capacity? Lets stick out heads in the sand, allow delays to increase wasting fuel, deice fluid, and the time of all those on board. Lets make travel into Chicago more difficult because that is sound planning and will help the local economy in the future.



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User currently offlineDragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2389 times:



Quoting Steex (Reply 9):
To avoid confusion (as you do clarify further in your post), there will be a net gain of one ADDITIONAL runway compared to the present, but it will be more than one NEW runway since some existing runways will be closed.

You lost me at NIMBY. While I understand up and moving can be a pain in the ass, can people not see that it will be for the benifit of the whole by improving ORDs runway layout?



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User currently offlineBcoz From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2362 times:



Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 12):
While I understand up and moving can be a pain in the ass, can people not see that it will be for the benifit of the whole by improving ORDs runway layout?

Personally, I think it has more to do with the way Richie Daley has rammed this down people's throats (People who aren't his constituents). The ramming has gotten even worse with the 2016 Olympics bid the A #1 top priority on the 5th floor of City Hall.

bcoz


User currently offlineAirportplan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 469 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2315 times:



Quoting Threepoint (Reply 10):
Thanks. I can now better understand why Bensenville residents are concerned.
Will any of the new runways match the length of the existing 14R/32L? Is there a need for a 13,000 foot runway at ORD?

10-28 (Former 9R-27L) was recently extended to 13,000 feet.


User currently offlineBravoGolf From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2236 times:



Quoting Threepoint (Reply 10):
any of the new runways match the length of the existing 14R/32L? Is there a need for a 13,000 foot runway at ORD?

If you watch the 747s taking off in the afternoon fully loaded to Asia, you would say 13,000 feet is too short


User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2217 times:

I jumpseated on UAL895 a very long time ago, we used full length of 32L, and I think we needed every foot of that runway...


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User currently offlineGlbltrvlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2072 times:



Quoting Bcoz (Reply 13):
Personally, I think it has more to do with the way Richie Daley has rammed this down people's throats (People who aren't his constituents). The ramming has gotten even worse with the 2016 Olympics bid the A #1 top priority on the 5th floor of City Hall.

That and follow the money. Tricky Dick Jr. has been doing everything possible to kill a third Chicago area airport that coincidentally wouldn't be under his thumb. Never mind that said third airport would reduce travel times (both to the airport and overall) for a huge number of non-Chicago residents.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2067 times:

While I hate Daley for closing down Meigs Field..  ....at least he was smart enough to know ORD needed to be updated and upgraded if Chicago is to stay competitive in the market....

I guess this is one situation where having a political machine is a good thing..  

[Edited 2009-02-18 18:32:35]


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