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New DL Connection JFK-MKE, LAX-LAS, SLC-ELP  
User currently offlineDL747400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 325 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7732 times:

New & Restarting Delta Connection services this Spring/Summer:

JFKMKE begins 01May (More connectivity for the JFK hub!)

LAXLAS begins 01Jul (Feeding LAX for onward connections to Asia. This is replacing NW, I think? DL and DL Connection also previously served this route.)

SLCELP begins 04Jun (This is a resumption, since DL has previously served this market.)

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User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1541 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7720 times:

What types of planes for these? All CR9s?


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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4910 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7699 times:
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Quoting DL747400 (Thread starter):
LAXLAS begins 01Jul (Feeding LAX for onward connections to Asia. This is replacing NW, I think? DL and DL Connection also previously served this route.)

The only LAX longhaul this new flight (on an OO CR9) is going to feed is the SYD flight. Flight leaves LAX at 0730 (SYD arrives 0600; NRT and GRU both arrive later) and returns to LAX at 2140 (SYD departs 2240; NRT leaves in the morning while GRU leaves earlier at 2130).


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4910 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7688 times:
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Quoting FL787 (Reply 1):
What types of planes for these? All CR9s?

JFK-MKE is an OH CRJ
SLC-ELP and LAX-LAS are both OO CR9


User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7678 times:

When NWA dropped the LAS-NRT nonstop a few years back, they immediately placed a mainline DC-9/Airbus on the LAS-LAX route to minimize the inconvenience. Delta is already starting to unwind the Pacific and make things inconvenient to LAS/LAX customers. First they pull the Jumbo out of LAX and now they are dropping the mainline feeder flight between LAS-LAX and placing a regional jet on the route. Sounds like the beginning to the end for LAS/LAX customers that have been using the transpacific service for so many years.

User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9423 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7673 times:



Quoting Panamair (Reply 2):
The only LAX longhaul this new flight (on an OO CR9) is going to feed is the SYD flight. Flight leaves LAX at 0730 (SYD arrives 0600; NRT and GRU both arrive later) and returns to LAX at 2140 (SYD departs 2240; NRT leaves in the morning while GRU leaves earlier at 2130).

but will they keep the mainline flight that NW has or will it go to 1x daily OO CR9?



yep.
User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6385 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7655 times:



Quoting DL747400 (Thread starter):
SLCELP begins 04Jun (This is a resumption, since DL has previously served this market.)

Did DL completely discontinue SLC - ELP previously? This route was mainline for a long, long time (dates back to Western Airlines)...that's pathetic if they didn't even keep regional aircraft on the route.

ELP - ATL did take off like gangbusters, though  Smile



Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7619 times:

What is the advantage to adding one flight out of LAX to LAS compared to restarting what they had with ExpressJet?

What were numbers for DLC flying with ExpressJet like? Were plans not filling up?

Seeing that they have SYD, NRT, GRU, Hawaii and other flights out of LAX, why not look to feed traffic through LAX from other western cities with their own metal where passengers can earn miles and make easy connections?

Right now if you live on the west coast and not in LA, to get to some of these places you have to connect through SLC, SLC and LAX, or ATL.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4910 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7601 times:
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Quoting Crownvic (Reply 4):
Delta is already starting to unwind the Pacific and make things inconvenient to LAS/LAX customers. First they pull the Jumbo out of LAX and now they are dropping the mainline feeder flight between LAS-LAX and placing a regional jet on the route. Sounds like the beginning to the end for LAS/LAX customers that have been using the transpacific service for so many years.

Don't know yet about the morning LAS-LAX feed (and where that will end up eventually), but how can Delta be unwinding the Pacific when they just committed to introducing the 77L to LAX-SYD? Putting the A330 on LAX-NRT is simply 'rightsizing' the market (have you seen the number of LAX-NRT flights? NW's 744 with over 400 seats a day was simply too much capacity forced to fly at low yields) so that they will continue to have a chance in the LAX-NRT market. Besides, many Y pax would be happier on the A330 than on the bare-bones 744.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 5):
but will they keep the mainline flight that NW has or will it go to 1x daily OO CR9?

Don't know yet but the NW mainline currently looks to be zeroed out....


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9423 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7559 times:



Quoting Crownvic (Reply 4):

I'd bet though that LAX-LAS yield suck. WN more than likely has pretty much killed the yields here......like the seem to do everywhere they go

Quoting Panamair (Reply 8):
Don't know yet about the morning LAS-LAX feed (and where that will end up eventually), but how can Delta be unwinding the Pacific when they just committed to introducing the 77L to LAX-SYD? Putting the A330 on LAX-NRT is simply 'rightsizing' the market (have you seen the number of LAX-NRT flights? NW's 744 with over 400 seats a day was simply too much capacity forced to fly at low yields) so that they will continue to have a chance in the LAX-NRT market. Besides, many Y pax would be happier on the A330 than on the bare-bones 744.

Plus Delta bed buddy is also in the market.......this has a little to so with it. (talking about KE)

Quoting C767P (Reply 7):
What were numbers for DLC flying with ExpressJet like? Were plans not filling up?

I can say most flight had good loads. Problem is the CASM went WAYYYYY up when the oil did. Why DL hasn't brought back some of these markets on something like a CR9? IDK but I know they should really look into it. May have to or they can say buh-bye to SYD. Very few people are going to fly XXX-ATL-LAX-SYD or XXX-SLC-LAX-SYD when they can fly AA/QF or UA XXX-LAX-SYD.

Quoting C767P (Reply 7):
Seeing that they have SYD, NRT, GRU, Hawaii and other flights out of LAX, why not look to feed traffic through LAX from other western cities with their own metal where passengers can earn miles and make easy connections?

I have been saying this for the last few months.........have yet to get a good answer.....

Quoting C767P (Reply 7):
Right now if you live on the west coast and not in LA, to get to some of these places you have to connect through SLC, SLC and LAX, or ATL.

No it pretty much SLC or SLC or SLC or ATL or ATL. LAX is mostly hubs and DL strong holds in the east. Bad part is no one on the west coast can get to LA to use these flight because DL doesn't have flights.



yep.
User currently offlineEGLboi From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7542 times:

Glad to see more service from MKE after all the YX cuts. Granted it is on a CRJ. The LAX-LAS service is great to see as well!

I was a little opposed to what would happen to lots of services after the NW/DL merge but this is great news!!


User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7534 times:

Panamair...What about premium passengers? As for "rightsizing", this is a term that Delta has repeated used this past two years to put a "spin" on anything bad. You need to look at all angles to this. While it maybe my own opinion, I fly this route 4 times per year in Business Class. The A330 (and threatened 767) is a downgrade for premium passengers. The 744 is roomier and offers a decent upper deck and quicker flying times. Additionally, pax out of LAS will be forced into a RegionalJet and lose the First Class cabin.

As for yields, EVERYTIME I fly this route, the front cabin is 100% full and the back appears to be packed as well. Based on the fares that NWA is now charging on the LAX-NRT-HKG route in Business Class, if they are not making a "killing", then I am completely naive to how yields work. For many years, a typical "Z" fare in Business was $2,300.00 - $2,800.00 r/t up to about a year ago. Since then, the typical fare on this route is now $6,000.00 r/t. You need to convince me about something that I m not accepting!


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9423 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7518 times:



Quoting Crownvic (Reply 11):
Panamair...What about premium passengers? As for "rightsizing", this is a term that Delta has repeated used this past two years to put a "spin" on anything bad. You need to look at all angles to this. While it maybe my own opinion, I fly this route 4 times per year in Business Class. The A330 (and threatened 767) is a downgrade for premium passengers. The 744 is roomier and offers a decent upper deck and quicker flying times. Additionally, pax out of LAS will be forced into a RegionalJet and lose the First Class cabin.

ummmmm the OO CR9s have F.  Wink



yep.
User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7491 times:

DeltaL1011man...Well then, every dark cloud may have a silver lining  Smile Personally, I avoid flying RJ's any opportunity that I can. Never liked them and probably never will. I have never tracked which ones have First and which ones don't because it seems to change constantly.

User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7490 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 9):
No it pretty much SLC or SLC or SLC or ATL or ATL. LAX is mostly hubs and DL strong holds in the east. Bad part is no one on the west coast can get to LA to use these flight because DL doesn't have flights.

I guess that's where Alaska comes in...



Third Coast born, means I'm Texas raised
User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2865 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7473 times:

The addition of JFK-MKE seems to reiterate the fact that JFK is very much a major hub to Delta as EWR to CO. However, unless this flight does amazingly well, it certainly does not bode well for any possibility of JetBlue coming to MKE....
As for LAX-LAS, will this be in addition to the existing NW flight (which convienently connects to the NRT service), or an absolute replacement? Though, I imagine loyal Las Vegas passengers could instead fly via SLC on the new SLC-NRT flight...
As for SLC-ELP, I'm surprised this is not already offered. SLC is one of the most important hubs in the West, and El Paso (the 6th largest city in Texas, as well as access to Ciudad Juarez for anyone brave enough to go there) sure isn't that small of a market...



Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4910 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7461 times:
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Quoting Crownvic (Reply 11):
As for yields, EVERYTIME I fly this route, the front cabin is 100% full and the back appears to be packed as well. Based on the fares that NWA is now charging on the LAX-NRT-HKG route in Business Class, if they are not making a "killing", then I am completely naive to how yields work. For many years, a typical "Z" fare in Business was $2,300.00 - $2,800.00 r/t up to about a year ago. Since then, the typical fare on this route is now $6,000.00 r/t. You need to convince me about something that I m not accepting!

1. Full planes are never a good indication of whether the flight is profitable.

2. Many seats are sold at "unpublished" rates, i.e., for many transpacific ethnic markets, many tickets are sold through, for lack of a better word, "Chinatown bucket shop" travel agencies. LAX-Asia is certainly one of those markets; quite a bit of that traffic makes its way on to the NW001 every day in the Economy cabin, thus further diluting yields.

3. Those full J cabins on the 744 are full of non-revs and upgrades and FF award pax. That flight on the 744 with 65 J seats is heaven for upgraders and award mileage users; I don't even bother buying a Business fare anymore for a flight between LAX and Asia that involves that NRT flight because NW001/NW002 has always been one of the easiest flights to upgrade on- have never failed to score the mileage upgrade even when buying the lower Y fares.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9423 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7460 times:



Quoting Crownvic (Reply 13):
DeltaL1011man...Well then, every dark cloud may have a silver lining Personally, I avoid flying RJ's any opportunity that I can. Never liked them and probably never will. I have never tracked which ones have First and which ones don't because it seems to change constantly.

its nothing to write home about buts its F LOL

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 14):
I guess that's where Alaska comes in...

Ok 1x daily to SFO and SEA and PDX and thats about it...........

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 15):
As for SLC-ELP, I'm surprised this is not already offered. SLC is one of the most important hubs in the West, and El Paso (the 6th largest city in Texas, as well as access to Ciudad Juarez for anyone brave enough to go there) sure isn't that small of a market...

IIRC it stoped when ATL-ELP started. Which was what they wanted.



yep.
User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7449 times:



Quoting Crownvic (Reply 13):
Personally, I avoid flying RJ's any opportunity that I can. Never liked them and probably never will. I have never tracked which ones have First and which ones don't because it seems to change constantly.

Have you ever flown on the CR9? It is a different plane from the CRJ.

And isn’t the CR9 the only CRJ for DL to have F seats? NW put some on smaller RJ’s but I don’t think DL ever has.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9423 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7441 times:



Quoting C767P (Reply 18):
And isn’t the CR9 the only CRJ for DL to have F seats?

No the E70/75s have F

Quoting C767P (Reply 18):
NW put some on smaller RJ’s

ARJs?



yep.
User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7428 times:

C767P...Yes I have. In fact, I have been in both the CRJ7 & 9 on several flights. I flat out refuse to fly in a CRJ1 or 2. Once again, it is just my preference. I don't like these planes. At 6' 2", it is just confining for me. I would rather fly in a Convair 580 than a RegionalJet, while many others would say the opposite.

User currently offlineNW From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7421 times:

NW only has first on the CR9 and the E175...both the same capacity, 12/64.

User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7366 times:



Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 14):
I guess that's where Alaska comes in...

To connect in LAX you would be forced to exit security, change terminals and clear security again. Not something I would like to do. I also don’t think it would do anything for most of CA either.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 19):
No the E70/75s have F

The E70/75s are not CRJ’s though. No CR7 has had F seats, have they?

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 19):
ARJs?

They did have F seats, I believe they were the first regional jet with any F seats…

What I was thinking about I believe was just a rumor, and that was F seats on the CRJ-200:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...al_aviation/read.main/3640822/1/#1


User currently offlineOOSLC From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7367 times:

SLC-ELP has been gone for about a year when DL dropped a lot of destinations last jan/feb

It was 1-2X a day on a 50 seater.


User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7344 times:



Quoting C767P (Reply 22):
To connect in LAX you would be forced to exit security, change terminals and clear security again. Not something I would like to do. I also don’t think it would do anything for most of CA either.

Unless AS does make the move to T6 as has been rumoured.


25 DeltaL1011man : nope they are full Y CR1,CR2,CR7,SF3,E45 are all Y CR9,E70,E75 are F/Y good point
26 Alias1024 : Delta had no financial risk when ExpressJet was doing the flights. It was at risk flying by ExpressJet where XJET paid Delta a fee to market the flig
27 DeltaL1011man : Not 100% true. DL did have a contract with XJet for like 10 planes(this came from the EV opps). The rest of the fleet was the at risk (which was like
28 Flyibaby : Exactly - remember when Former President Clinton was running for President and he said "It's the economy stupid"? Well...same goes here. LAS most cer
29 Alias1024 : Doh! Totally forgot they had taken over the EV contract flying.
30 UN_B732 : On a sidenote, UA has F on most of its CR7s but DL doesn't on any of its. I hope DL keeps a morning departure on LAS-LAX to feed NRT. When I last chec
31 UnitedTristar : actually its on all the CR7's I thought OO's agreement with UA stated they couldnt fly express service for another carrier out of LAX? -m
32 Burnsie28 : Yes, so that would mean they would have to charge even a higher rate to make up the yield since the CASM goes way up. That may be, but NW wasn't in t
33 Hikarufree : I'm very happy to see this route finally happen, especially since I prefer to use JFK over LGA and EWR. It's much easier for me (and cheaper with Air
34 DurangoMac : That restriction was removed from the UA contract I think in late 2007. It now allows OO to fly into LAX for anyone. The only restriction I think sti
35 TVNWZ : Not quite... $133.95 $165.20 Total Price » Choose this Departure » Wed, Feb 25 Northwest Airlines 629 Equipment: A320 View Seat Map » Booking clas
36 KELPkid : It used to be 3x daily on a 737, with one flight being ELP-ABQ-SLC to capture part of the ELP-ABQ market, and 727 equipment substitutions were not un
37 Flyibaby : Show me something to support this. XJ might have a younger fleet by just a bit, but not much. Ultimately a CR9 with FC is as nice as the next, otherw
38 Xjramper : There are very few markets that fly east coast to LAX directly from the east coast with UAL or AA. So most east coast traffic will still have to conn
39 AAtakeMeAway : Did ELP-ATL start when the DFW hub was dismantled? How is this route doing for DL? How many flights per day? I'm, guess Super 80's? You're going waay
40 TVNWZ : It's round-trip. My bad. I did not paste the return flight. Dilute away!
41 Xjramper : Super 80 is a marketed name for American. Delta just calls it what it is, which is an MD-88. But to answer your last two questions, they fly 2 MD-88
42 WorldTraveler : There is no need to feed LAS pax through LAX for GRU or NRT. DL is adding SLC-NRT and it flies multiple mainline flights per day between LAS and SLC.
43 AAtakeMeAway : Hehehe... I know, and I knew someone would point that out - but I didn't know if it was MD80, MD88, or what, so I just used the generic term I knew
44 DeltaL1011man : but DL also has the CR9s to fill in for the CR7s with F. Nope They changed that agreement a few years ago now. So they were in the market to loose mo
45 XJRamper : Something tells me with the XJ agreement flying out of SLC, they may venture into the LAX market as well. I am just as curious as to how they will be
46 CMHARJ : Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't XJ have ovens and offer meals to their F class passengers, while OO just offers a bigger seat.
47 Goldenshield : NW and DL had different specs when the aircraft were ordered. In the end, they will all be configured the same. Technically, no, as AA uses the MD-82
48 Mke717spotter : Awesome! Great to see this route, too bad its its only on a CRJ though, I see enough of the 50 seaters at MKE as it is. Was kind of hoping for a CRJ7
49 Dbo861 : 1X daily Flight 6683 departs MKE 10:45am arrives JFK 1:46pm Flight 6726 departs JFK 7:00pm arrives MKE 8:55pm Both flights are operated on Comair CRJ
50 Hikarufree : Good for connections for those arriving from international flights, but I worry about the on-time performance leaving JFK at that time.
51 FL787 : Actually he has a point, OO's have the old interior design except for the 4 new ones. All of mesaba's CR9s have the NextGen cabin. It really is a lot
52 AAtakeMeAway : OK - see now why I (a layman) just call it Super 80?
53 Cubsrule : I look at SLC-ELP with MEM-MFE and MEM-LBB. DL is making a clear commitment to Texas. This may be because of the loss of the CO partnership or the fa
54 MKE22 : How well was the chance that B6 was coming in anyway?? They are already are at ORD, which eats away at most of our service opportunities as it is. I'
55 Iowaman : Although there is probably a nominal flight time savings by going through LAX. There is more than NRT and GRU to connect to in LAX, though. It will m
56 UpstateDave : MKE is in reaction to FL's build-up in MKE with additional/new LGA flights. LGA slots are expensive, so mine as well offer JFK in hopes of getting som
57 DurangoMac : I actually would take any OO CR7 or CR9 over a DC9 or M8x/90 anyday.
58 CompensateMe : JFK is a major gateway for DL and MKE is a major market for NW. With DL absorbing NW, it's only natural to link the markets together... I'll agree wi
59 UpstateDave : CompensateMe, I agree the "means nothing to the people of MKE" was more for effect, as I'm sure the flight will be used. I'm just curious how many peo
60 CompensateMe : UpstateDave, from JFK Delta's Atlantic destinations include: Accura, Amman, Amsterdam, Athens, Barcelona, Berlin, Brussels, Bucharest, Budapest, Cairo
61 Cubsrule : About 15 of the cities you listed are. You have to ask yourself, too, whether people will make an effort to avoid JFK, either by double connecting ov
62 WorldTraveler : based on schedules for August, total elapsed time for DL on LAS-SLC-NRT is within 5 minutes of the fastest connection which is on UA via SFO. DL is cl
63 CompensateMe : As I posted above, MKE is home to one of NW's largest FF bases (at one time it was the largest outside of its three hubs -- I do not know if it still
64 Jetlanta : Brilliant my friend, just brilliant! It sure is easy to spot the pros around here.
65 DeltAirlines : That's exactly the case. Time is money, and if this flight means they can work in Milwaukee in the morning, fly all afternoon and still be in Europe
66 Crownvic : Panamair ...On the subject of "yield", I ran several dates just to see how Delta wants to route me now from LAS-NRT now that they are changing things.
67 Bobnwa : What date did you use? I would bet that when all the scheduling is done, passengers requesting travel from LAS-NRT would not be routed via ATL.
68 WorldTraveler : That is correct. Not only is there a multistep process to creating schedules, the last of which is adding connect points so the CRS can figure out wh
69 Cubsrule : Can they fill it? International passenger leakage to ORD is a problem, even amongst NW elites- when I was flying F out of MKE a lot, I spoke to many
70 SLCPDXATL : NW will operate all service to NRT from the 5 western US gateways Not the PDX gateway. PDX-NRT will be operated with Delta aircraft and crew beginning
71 CompensateMe : 1. Delta already successfully operates ORD-JFK. 2. I think it's obvious that LON, PAR and FRA account for disproportionate amounts of Atlantic travel
72 Cubsrule : Completely irrelevant. Chicago and Milwaukee are vastly different markets. Chicago is a larger and more internationally-oriented market. Milwaukee is
73 DeltaL1011man : I looked around the end of july and it sent me LAS-SLC-NRT LAS-SLC-LAX-NRT(which i find funny) LAS-SLC-SFO-NRT LAS-SLC-SEA-NRT NRT-SLC-LAS NRT-LAX-SL
74 CompensateMe : You're flip-flopping that ORD & MKE are/aren't the same market. Yes, you are. NW flew DC-10 into MKE until they were pulled from domestic service. 75
75 Crownvic : Bobnwa...I did it last night do not remember as I was just doing random dates. I experimented with 4 different July dates. One routed me through SLC,
76 Panamair : It also depends on where (delta.com vs nwa.com) where you're doing these searches for now. Delta.com doesn't bring up any non-Delta-coded flights (DL
77 Iowaman : This must be a bug. I'm sure DL will make some changes to allow people to fly LAS-LAX-NRT. LAS-ATL-NRT is a bit much. Welcome to a.net! It looks like
78 Cubsrule : Never said otherwise. I can point you to some flights that probably average more than 30 elites. Why is driving a couple of hours for a nonstop fligh
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