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Air Comet Suspended From Iata Clearing House  
User currently offlineEmptyarm From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 169 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6910 times:

According to Spanish media, Air Comet has been suspended from IATA clearing house due to non-payment of January balance

http://www.hispanidad.com/imagenes/Aircomet-IATA.pdf

After the suspension of operations of Air Comet Chile, the affair with AR and some alleged delays in payment of salaries it seems Air Comet is in trouble.

There's also a roumor that they have some debts with LGW, and that's the reason why their double daily MAD-LGW-MAD has been operated for weeks by Air Europa and Swiftair aircraft just in case their own aircraft is seized at LGW.

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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3402 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6868 times:

That doesn't sound great for them - I wouldn't bet on the mythical A380 order being firmed any time soon.....

User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6850 times:

Obviously they were fibbing about aircraft orders to cover up the fact they are in serious financial trouble. That's quite a clever thing to do when you think about it. I wonder if Kingfisher is doing the same?

Maybe a chance for a more viable airline to step in on the LGW-MAD route.


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3402 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6780 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 2):
Obviously they were fibbing about aircraft orders to cover up the fact they are in serious financial trouble. That's quite a clever thing to do when you think about it. I wonder if Kingfisher is doing the same?

IT haven't been doing that good a job of hiding their problems recently but I agree maybe the "5 of everything in the Airbus shop" was a magican's slight of hand trick Big grin


As a serious point - how serious is having your IATA clearence membership suspended - is this a blip or the begining of the end? EG did it happen to XL and Zoom before they fell over?


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27316 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6756 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 3):
how serious is having your IATA clearence membership suspended

Very serious , they dont take those decisions lightly. It creates a very bad impression and cuts alot of people off from making Air Comet bookings.


User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2482 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6662 times:

Too bad to hear that Air Comet is defaulting on the IATA-BSP. I wonder if they will focus on their own distribution channels after this event. It will be interesting to know what percentage of sales does the BSP represents for Air Comet?

Quoting Emptyarm (Thread starter):
There's also a roumor that they have some debts with LGW, and that's the reason why their double daily MAD-LGW-MAD has been operated for weeks by Air Europa and Swiftair aircraft just in case their own aircraft is seized at LGW.

Last month I flew LGW-MAD with A7 (Air Comet) and the flight was operated by an Iberworld A320 (EC-KEN)


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3402 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6633 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
Very serious , they dont take those decisions lightly. It creates a very bad impression and cuts alot of people off from making Air Comet bookings.

Thanks, it doesn't sound good. If they decided that they didn't need this service anymore then they could of withdrawn gracefully but to have membership suspended due to late payment of bills isn't good.

The first big casualty of 2009?


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4409 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6604 times:

That would be very bad. After all they are the only airline flying between Europe and Southern America a family can book without having to sell the house...

User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9746 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 6523 times:



Quoting Burkhard (Reply 7):
America a family can book without having to sell the house...

That is a good explanation why they are in dire straits. Without the services of the clearing house, all interlining is canx and that means it will be a couple of days, when families find out that they have to sell the house to pay for the return tickets.



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7809 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 6306 times:

Does anyone know how much IATA membership costs.

Clearly the smaller the cost, the bigger mess they must be in.

Does this mean that there is no protection for passengers if Air Comet folds. If so, then travel agents will get very nervous.


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7809 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 6217 times:

I see from airfleets that they have 1 B747-200 and 2 A310 parked.

Perhaps these can be sold tp provide much needed cash.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 6098 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 2):
Maybe a chance for a more viable airline to step in on the LGW-MAD route.

Air Europa are taking it over as their own service - currently they codeshare on Air Comet's service



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User currently offlineEmptyarm From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5891 times:



Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 10):
I see from airfleets that they have 1 B747-200 and 2 A310 parked.

I never saw EC-KJL in service...but EC-GOT and EC-GMU were sent to MZJ for scrapping. The last 747-200 was sent to OPF and registered as J2-KCV (Djibouti registration), so maybe it is also scrapped


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7809 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5794 times:

I understood that the 2 A310 were still at OPF, although there was talk of scrapping them at the end of 2008.

As for the B747, I was referring to EC-IZL


User currently offlineEmptyarm From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5755 times:



Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 13):
As for the B747, I was referring to EC-IZL

It was EC-IZL, but they re-registered it as J2-KCV for storage (quite strange)


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4409 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5733 times:

I saw one A310 landing in MAD with PAX on Jan 7ths, so they still may have done some christmas charters on them, but there removal was scheduled since long.

User currently offlineEmptyarm From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5725 times:



Quoting Humberside (Reply 11):
Air Europa are taking it over as their own service

Is there any chance Air Europa can start MAD-LCY with the E195?


User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1605 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5699 times:

now I read these posts I realize I don't see the A7 airplanes at CDG 1 anymore
I didn't keep track: did they move to another terminal or did they shut the station down?



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7809 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5670 times:

I have done a bit more digging about J2-KCV.

It seems that survived until at least Jan 2009. However, the Djibouti reg suggests that it will not return to Air Comet.

The record on Planespotters seems to indicate that it was leased not owned by Air Comet. In that case not a sellable asset, just RTL.

http://www.scramble.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=48676

http://www.planespotters.net/Product...FBN-Wells-Fargo-Bank-Northwest.php


User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5614 times:
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Seen actually at Amadeus.net that Air Comet still has scheduled flights to any part of the world where they operate.

Maybe the ban has finished?

They are making actually a strong campaign promoting it's new business class product: buy one ticket in "C" class to South America before February 28 to fly until December 31 and you will win a Blackberry product.

Interesting, no?

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User currently offlineEmptyarm From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5580 times:



Quoting Varig md-11 (Reply 17):
I didn't keep track: did they move to another terminal or did they shut the station down?

They dropped CDG some months ago, as well as FCO (now the codeshare MAD-FCO-MAD with UX). After these routes were gone, EC-KIK is no longer seen at MAD, I think their only A320 now is EC-KBM and has been sitting in MAD for some weeks while the LGW run is being operated by various subcharters (yesterday it was Aerofan's M87).
Meanwhile, the long haul fleet is growing and growing...if IATA Clearing House is suspended and they drop the European routes they will miss all chances of getting passengers from elsewhere than Madrid...


User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1605 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5490 times:

thx for the answer Emptyarm
indeed I don't see how they're going to fill in the planes if they don't shop for pax around europe...with the crisis particularly hitting spain's immigrants, flights to latam from MAD might suffer a sharp drop in pax number



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3402 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5396 times:

Checking the Airbus O&D spreadsheet for Jan, Air Comet (via Groupo Marsans) took an new A332 so somebody in the group still has money. It would be a little strange if GM carried on buying planes for its subsidiary that was on the brink of bankrupcy?

User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4409 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5295 times:



Quoting Varig md-11 (Reply 21):
thx for the answer Emptyarm
indeed I don't see how they're going to fill in the planes if they don't shop for pax around europe...with the crisis particularly hitting spain's immigrants, flights to latam from MAD might suffer a sharp drop in pax number

At least until January the crisis has bypassed Southern America completely, and their flights are usually booked 6 months in advance. I hope the best for them, I few on them to Lima and back a few weeks ago and it was far better than most other trips there, Only KLM was better.


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4409 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5273 times:

Air Comet had made bilateral contracts for feeding flight, from FRA as example you get Spanair. Interesting is that the ground staff knows very little. Free luggage for MAD-LIM is 2x23kg per person. When I phoned Spanair here how much for the FRA-MAD leg, they told me 20 kg, since that were the limit for the MAD-LIM leg. When I told them about the 2x23, they accepted that I could take that - and the LH ground agent in FRA just didn't know and didn't mind...

I assume they want to fly MAD-LATAM only and partner with whomever to bring people to MAD for them, and these partners are happy to fill a few more seats.


25 Kiwiandrew : but the partners will no longer be happy to do so if they dont get paid for the sector , if they really have been suspended from the IATA clearing ho
26 MD11junkie : Just when AR's codeshare agreement ended. Tells you something, eh? The fact that Amadeus shows flights has nothing to do with BSP. LOL, with Farsans
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