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Emirates Unveils 2009 Expansion Plans  
User currently offlineENU From Netherlands, joined Nov 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 21580 times:

Emirates Airline today unveiled plans to grow the number of flights across its network by 14 per cent in 2009.

- 19 new aircraft (7 A380s, 10 B777-300ER, 1 B777-200LR and 1 B777F)
- New routes and increase of frequencies
- Seat capacity +14%
- Cargo capacity +19%

Not bad regarding all the doom-stories.

Quote:
HH Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al-Maktoum, Chairman and Chief Executive, Emirates Airline and Group, said: “The next year is not going to be an easy ride for the airline industry. Emirates has prepared the best we can for the challenges we foresee, but we also see it as a time of opportunity. 2009, with our significant capacity increase, will be a year of consolidation for us, with fewer new routes launched than in previous years.

Read more: http://www.dubaicityguide.com/geninfo/news_dtls.asp?newsid=22803

[Edited 2009-02-18 06:13:42]

65 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3398 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 21477 times:



Quoting ENU (Thread starter):
Not bad regarding all the doom-stories.

Silly me I thought that they were in all sorts of trouble and were going to cancel plane orders - they've either got a very sound business plan or, to paraphrase Luke Skywalker "Their over-confidence is their weakness!"


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8571 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 21332 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 1):
Silly me I thought that they were in all sorts of trouble and were going to cancel plane orders - they've either got a very sound business plan or, to paraphrase Luke Skywalker "Their over-confidence is their weakness!"

If you have the cash to weather this period, this is a huge opportunity to gain on your competition and gain market share. As the saying goes: "A bear market is when fortunes are made".


User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1697 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 21272 times:

That's great news, and evidence that EK has a solid plan for this year. I hope that Boeing and Airbus commit to delivering the aircraft on time.

User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13430 posts, RR: 100
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 21205 times:
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As I noted in another thread, recessions are the best time to gain market share.

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 2):
this is a huge opportunity to gain on your competition and gain market share.

But Airbazar beat me to it.  Wink

Quoting ENU (Thread starter):
Not bad regarding all the doom-stories.

 rotfl 

Yes, the crew hiring freeze thread never did supply a source... 19 new aircraft need crews.
But will they retire or return to lessors any airframes?

from the 1st posts link:
As new aircraft come online, both Los Angeles and San Francisco – Emirates’ newest routes, launched in October and December – will go from thrice weekly to daily from May.

I'm pleasantly surprised this expansion continues.  Smile

I find the phased in expansion of A380's interesting. Its what many of us speculated would happen. e.g., Soul will be 3x 777, 4X A380. Many of the anti-A380 crowd talked as if the jump could only be done in one step.  spin 

Ok, EK flew ~22 million passengers in 2008. DXB handled 34 Million January-November per Wikipedia. That implies EK is about 60% of the market for DXB. Interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%2...iest_airports_by_passenger_traffic

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User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 21151 times:

SQ is cutting its fleet, EK growing it.  Wink


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User currently offlineSwallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 21008 times:



Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 5):
SQ is cutting its fleet, EK growing it.

Yep. The guys who run EK have guts. Fortune favors the brave

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 4):
19 new aircraft need crews.
But will they retire or return to lessors any airframes?

The crew hiring freeze suggests older aircraft may be let loose; however there will be a net increase in pax and cargo capacity with new planes coming online.



The grass is greener where you water it
User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 20963 times:



Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 5):
SQ is cutting its fleet, EK growing it. Wink

EK's growth is quite impressive.


User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 20942 times:

This is great news, as even many of us within Emirates didn't know what was going on when the crew hiring freeze was implemented, rumors ran amuck about phasing back ops, delaying/canceling A380s and such. None of the announced expansion plans are anything very new, but good to see them be made official.

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 4):
Yes, the crew hiring freeze thread never did supply a source... 19 new aircraft need crews.

The crew hiring freeze is a reality (you can check out EK's recruitment website), but unlike what was being theorized in the aforementioned thread, it was a temporary two month freeze rather than a permanent/longer term one. Rumors amongst the crew mill were guessing that this was due to the slow down in aircraft deliveries (though new crew will still be needed in 2009) and the housing issue of crew in Dubai - I know people who are currently living in temporary hotel/apart-hotel accommodations that are about 45 minutes away from the College by crew bus! And before people pounce on the fact that EK can just dump crew into all those apartment blocks around Dubai, the airline has some very specific layouts for crew apartments, and hence these structures need to be custom built or retrofitted for EK. So hopefully this temporary freeze will allow apartments to open up for these and new joining crew.

There were also rumors about possibly scaling back crew staffing per flight, for example from 17 on a three class B773 (14 GR I/II, 2 SFS, 1 Purser) to 13 (10 GR I/II to man the doors, 2 SFS and 1 Purser). But nothing has come to fruition on this point, and these rumors have all but subsided.



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User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 20942 times:

Interesting how they also intend to increase to double daily to Moscow. Russia has been hit hard by the financial crisis and with the sliding ruble I wonder how that would affect demand out of Moscow - I think negatively!


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User currently offlineAlasdair1982 From UK - Scotland, joined Mar 2008, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 20914 times:

No additional flights to UK destinations then?

User currently offlineSwallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 20846 times:

From the article, In 2007, with the launch of its Dubai–Sao Paulo service, we became the first – and only – carrier to fly to six continents non-stop from a single hub.”

I thought he was wrong until I realized that the key word in his statement is non-stop
SA has flights from JNB to six continents but stops in DKR enroute to JFK and IAD.

both Los Angeles and San Francisco – Emirates’ newest routes, launched in October and December – will go from thrice weekly to daily from May

They are getting one more 77L, so will they deploy 77Ws on these sectors?



The grass is greener where you water it
User currently offlineBochora From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2008, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 20760 times:



Quoting Alasdair1982 (Reply 10):
No additional flights to UK destinations then?

We'll have to wait and see: I would expect that there will be one or two.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 20538 times:



Quoting Swallow (Reply 6):
Yep. The guys who run EK have guts. Fortune favors the brave

True that. I do wish them the best. I want to see all those planes in the air.

They have planes coming, there is little they can do to slow the deliveries down for this year, so what are they supposed to do? I suppose they could ground aircraft they currently have, or they can lower their fares to match.

The head of Saudi Arabian Airlines is on CNBC right now and says his business is doing okay because it's basically regional traffic for them. He alluded to the "huge real estate build up" in Dubai and "rapid decline in asset prices" in the rest of the region, but not so much in Saudi Arabia because they are so oil focuses including not just selling oil, but refining oil products and other things that mitigate the lower well price.



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User currently offlineWilld From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 19835 times:



Quoting Swallow (Reply 6):
Yep. The guys who run EK have guts. Fortune favors the brave

True but as with any economic downturn if you have the money available to you then you should grab the bull by the horns and go for it. After all, despite what the media will lead you to believe, the economy will come out of this "slump/realignment" and in five years time all will be just dandy. Of course EK will have the upper hand as they could afford to invest in the bad times. So if they can keep undertaking considered expansion rather than expansion for the sake of it (as is common in boom times) then they will be just fine.


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8571 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 19642 times:

Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 5):
SQ is cutting its fleet, EK growing it.

EK's business model requires it to continue its growth otherwise they'll never be able to fill all of those A380's. They're also the new kid on the block while SQ is a more established carrier. SQ can afford to pull back a little (like they did during SARS), without being forgotten or losing market share. In other words, EK has to grow or go out of business. But lets not forget that SQ is still receiving a butt load of A333's so I'd look at SQ's actions more as a renewal than a cut.

[Edited 2009-02-18 09:33:08]

User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13430 posts, RR: 100
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 18887 times:
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Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 8):
The crew hiring freeze is a reality (you can check out EK's recruitment website), but unlike what was being theorized in the aforementioned thread, it was a temporary two month freeze rather than a permanent/longer term one.

I asked several times in the crew hiring freeze thread if it was a temporary slow down to get the crews hired for the delayed 777's/A380's out into the fleet. Fair enough on EK's website. But as that thread deteriorated into suggestions of layoffs, etc.

Pausing for 6 weeks for aircraft deliveries to catch up with crew is what I speculated was needed. Ok... its two months. But the other thread tried to imply crews currently in training wouldn't be picked up or that 3year contracts just wouldn't be renewed.

I never doubted a short term hiring freeze. Pardon my short prior post in this thread... I see now how it reads. But the implication that there was a long term freeze...  no  Again, 2 months sounds perfect to balance crews with delayed aircraft. Perhaps 10 weeks (due to expected reduced attrition in this economy)?

The implications you post on reduced staffing would be interesting. But is it wise with EK's reputation for.. spotty premium service? What is the f/a distribution by class? On the 773/77W? A380? 17 f/a's is amazing! How does this compare with SQ staffing for an A380 and the 77W?

Quoting Alasdair1982 (Reply 10):
No additional flights to UK destinations then?

That would surprise me. In particular with EK trying to grow the 3rd hubbing wave.

Quoting Swallow (Reply 11):
They are getting one more 77L, so will they deploy 77Ws on these sectors?

Its my understanding 77L's are 'broken in' on shorter runs and then redeployed ULH. So somewhere EK has to have a 77L's waiting to be replaced with a 77W for this level of service increase to both LAX and SFO. Perhaps more than one? (Does anyone know?)

Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 8):
There were also rumors about possibly scaling back crew staffing per flight, for example from 17 on a three class B773 (14 GR I/II, 2 SFS, 1 Purser) to 13 (10 GR I/II to man the doors, 2 SFS and 1 Purser). But nothing has come to fruition on this point, and these rumors have all but subsided.



Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 8):
So hopefully this temporary freeze will allow apartments to open up for these and new joining crew.

More than one poster has suggested that lack of suitible apartment accomodations for crew is also behind the crew growth freeze. That makes sense to me.

I wonder if any of the marina towers will be converted for EK use? It sure seems, from a distance, like there is enough surplus space there!  duck 


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User currently offlineEmirates001 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 18340 times:

Don't forget what made Emirates special : that they had the highest passenger per crew ratio per flight than any other airliine..........

User currently offlineVeeseeten From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 17944 times:



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 4):

Yes, the crew hiring freeze thread never did supply a source...

Actually, its not just crew. Its a general hiring freeze across the board and it will be reviewed in 6 weeks time. I have this straight from the horses mouth.


User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 16872 times:



Quoting Swallow (Reply 11):
They are getting one more 77L, so will they deploy 77Ws on these sectors?

As has been mentioned, the 77Ls will be re-deployed to the LAX/SFO runs when the last airframe arrives and EK can make the flight daily. Crews are not looking forward to that one, currently we enjoy a great layover because of the reduced schedule. Once we go daily, you can kiss those comfy layovers goodbye and go back to the normal 24 hours...

Quoting Veeseeten (Reply 20):
Actually, its not just crew. Its a general hiring freeze across the board and it will be reviewed in 6 weeks time. I have this straight from the horses mouth.

Yup yup, it's all across the network.

Quoting Emirates001 (Reply 19):
that they had the highest passenger per crew ratio per flight than any other airliine..........

You mean lowest ratio, right?

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 17):
The implications you post on reduced staffing would be interesting. But is it wise with EK's reputation for.. spotty premium service? What is the f/a distribution by class? On the 773/77W? A380? 17 f/a's is amazing! How does this compare with SQ staffing for an A380 and the 77W?

I'm sorry I explained that wrong and wasn't thinking straight when I posted that. A B777-300 3 class with 10 doors is usually staffed with one extra cabin crew for each premuim cabin and 2 extra down the back : 3 in first, 3 in business, 6 in economy + seniors, 2 SFS and a purser which = 15, not 17. The rumor was that it might be scaled back depending on duration and load of a given flight, not a system wide decision.

That said, it was one of the host of rumors that came out in the immediate chaotic aftermath of the crew hiring freeze announcements, I doubt that rumor will ever be realized. Even if it did happen, I'd say it's more likely a reduction of one Y crew per flight (as I have said, at EK we have 1 extra crew per premium cabin and 2 extra for Y).



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User currently offlineJetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3339 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 16526 times:



Quoting Swallow (Reply 6):

Yep. The guys who run EK have guts. Fortune favors the brave

It worked out well for Braniff, after all.  Wink


User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 16438 times:

Well if they win the JM sweepstakes......they will definitely be brave.


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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16022 times:



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 4):
Many of the anti-A380 crowd talked as if the jump could only be done in one step.

I missed that. It's a bizarre suggestion considering that SQ phased in WhaleJet service to LHR with 3x weekly WhaleJet + 4x weekly JumboJet ops.


User currently offlineGlobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 940 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 15957 times:

Any idea of any new cities in the USA to be announced in 2009? I seem to recall on the EK website and on ATWOnline that the CEO mentioned the likes of ATL, IAH, etc... that being said, new cities not already announced like SFO and LAX where we already know about.


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User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4047 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16068 times:



Quoting BluemoonUK (Reply 18):
Dont you mean the stupid have been found out,the brave are still fighting on.
Bluemoon

No I don't mean that. I mean exactly what I wrote.

Recessions may be opportunity for some people. It may also mean disaster for others, especially if, faced with adversity, they (bravely) bet in the wrong direction.

I am not saying Emirates is betting in the wrong direction. There is no way for any of us, or them, to know that for sure. But the actions taken by Singapore Airlines should be pause for thought.



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25 FlyEmirates : Very unlikely, any layovers to USA (JFK an exception) above 48 Hrs will be reduced. It wont go down to 24hrs, not after all the safety reports that t
26 Emirates001 : [quote=Jetlanta,reply=22]Quoting Emirates001 (Reply 19): that they had the highest passenger per crew ratio per flight than any other airliine.......
27 Post contains images MarcoPoloWorld : Will be great to see them increase to daily to LAX/SFO soon! At SFO, August 2008.
28 Lightsaber : I was referring to discussions that happened pre-A380 launch. There were quite a few posters who commented that growing from a 773 to an a380 was too
29 Viscount724 : I wondere what EK plan to do with that 19% increase in cargo capacity when global cargo traffic has recently been down by more than that percentage?
30 9252fly : I would suggest that they intend to take away what still exists of the cargo market from other carriers. Expect the victims to suffer the consequence
31 EBGflyer : The total salary costs are probably still lower than most western airlines (excluding pilots). I heard that especially the flight attendants from Asi
32 Zvezda : All SQ have done (so far) is accelerate retirement from their fleet of older aircraft that were due to go soon anyway. SQ have not (yet) cancelled or
33 Sketty222 : Rumours are abound here in NCL that EK are to start a JFK flight which would mean they would have to operate a double daily DXB-NCL flight,..........
34 HUYfan : A JFK out of Newcastle would'nt mean double daily to Dubai. They could simply extend the service to and from JFK. It would mean 2 Emirates a/c at NCL
35 Yellowtail : Can you enlighten me on this....I must have missed this.
36 Airbazar : They don't grow, manufacture, or for that matter produce much in Dubai and yet the population keeps growing. The goods need to arrive there somehow,
37 Asiaflyer : Which is SQs plan as well. This recession won't last forever, no matter how bad all news seems to be at moment. If you have intention to stay in the
38 Lightsaber : True. But I should have phrased my confusion better. SQ is a wise, but conservatively, run airline that is growth oriented. Why is it that SQ sees th
39 Incitatus : Is Emirates under any disclosure regulation that forces it to be accurate when disclosing plans? They may have lined up a plan for future cuts in cas
40 Zvezda : I really don't know. My best theory is that SQ have had a few minor downturns to deal with over the last decade (9/11, SARS, etc.) while EK have enjo
41 Airbazar : In what respect do you find SQ to be growth oriented? They are a very conservative airline, no doubt. They are growth oriented as far as growing thei
42 SQ_EK_freak : All cabin crew members within the same grade or rank are paid the same regardless of nationality. I think Amritsar or Ahmadabad is getting the axe to
43 Lightsaber : I hope that EK is not falsely touting growth. While that might help Dubai for a few months, it will kill confidence in their economy and predictive p
44 EBGflyer : Or East Coast USA (ie. NYC) to South East Asia. I've met quite a few Americans that used EK via DXB from NYC to Asia.
45 Sketty222 : Thats what I meant to say........ I think they could make it work even if they only flew on to JFK x3 weekly.
46 Airbazar : Hence my question regarding "what growth?". I don't disagree with everything you say. I just wanted to make a point that SQ are far more careful in h
47 EBGflyer : Either the general salary for EK flight attendants is just very low or you could be wrong. My friend's friend is Thai and supposedly gets around 1000
48 PP705 : Very true. Forget flight attendants from Asia, even passengers from certain regions of Asia are treated "with a lot of care".
49 Sq_ek_freak : You are right, the base salary (for all GR II crew regardless of nationality) is $1070, but thats not including flying pay of approx $1,300 per month
50 Lightsaber : Sq_ek_freqk, since you fly for them would you please share your opinion on: 1. Crew morale. Is it good? Improving? Concerned? 2. Plane loads. How are
51 Post contains links Shanxz : This is a brilliant move, and will pay off well for EK if it holds through this recession. It'll emerge as one of the strongest carriers in the world
52 DABTH747 : This is great news and I really hope it pays off!
53 Gkirk : I'd expect a 3rd MAN-DXB flight, NCL-DXB remaining a daily A330 and perhaps GLA-DXB going to 10 x weekly 77W/772 combo if anything is to happen in the
54 EK156 : As stated above. All Crew get a general basic + flying hours regardless of nationality or race. Please don't start assuming racial differences in pay
55 EK413 : Good luck to them... Hopefully it back fires, I don't agree with an airline driving lucrative carriers out of business, how do you survive up against
56 Emiratesuk : EK418 - all EK have done is tap in to lucrative markets that some legacy carriers feel the need to ignore. I for example live in the midlands u.k. Why
57 Behramjee : Emirates has confirmed on the GDS details of further expansion and capacity adjustment plans for 2009. The major changes that EK will be implementing
58 Astuteman : A perfect opportunity to retire the older, less efficient aircraft in its fleet? Rgds
59 Pylon101 : They are smart: EK offers from Moscow are unbeatable. Whenever I try to get the best deal for DME-SIN - it's always via Dubai on EK. This time - peak
60 Qantas787 : Could be with as few as 60 pax on 777's out of BNE. Emirates cheerleaders refuse to accept the realities of todays market will affect their baby as w
61 Wowpeter : My post is bit off topic... so if anyone want to move this to another topic... feels free to do so... First of all, good for them for maintaining such
62 CityAirline : Great to hear although it was very expected after the new agreements between the countries. Though I'm surprised that it didn't go double daily right
63 Sq_ek_freak : - Crew morale; tricky subject, depends on who you talk to. As has been discussed here I feel like the burn out rate at EK is pretty high, but I've me
64 Yellowtail : U forget Chile, Costa Rica and Panama....maybe even Mexico?
65 6thfreedom : EK are the masters of making the best out of a bad situation. After S11, they put ina huge order for aircraft at heavily discounted prices. During SAR
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