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Fueldump On Ground?  
User currently offlineAbleToFly From Denmark, joined Nov 2006, 118 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8055 times:

This might be a stupid question or just a lack of knowledge, but is this classic 747 dumping fuel on ground? It looks like it very much, but it doesn't really make sense to me.

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User currently offlineJoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8034 times:

Could be an over fill by the fueler and the auto shut off is not working.

They can not dump fuel on the ramp on purpose that could cause fines and even be a felony in some places. You don't want that fuel to get into the storm drains could cause big problems where ever those drains go.


User currently offlinePhoenix9 From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 2546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7990 times:

Maybe it was being tested after being repaired?? Just a wild guess.


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User currently offlineDragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7880 times:



Quoting JoseKMLB (Reply 1):
They can not dump fuel on the ramp on purpose that could cause fines and even be a felony in some places. You don't want that fuel to get into the storm drains could cause big problems where ever those drains go.

The info on the picture says it was taken in Tehran, Iran. I get the feeling they do not have a version of the EPA.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10003 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7761 times:

Or maybe we can just send the photographer an email about this photo. As per previous photos taken of this registration, this aircraft is being repared to fly again so most likely this is just a testing procedure to see if the aircraft can still dump fuel. In this case most likely some other fluid is used that is allowed to be used on the tarmac instead of jet fuel itself. Just my guess.....

A388


User currently offlineStarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1130 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7672 times:

From the previous pic it looked like it was being scrapped.


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User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7643 times:



Quoting JoseKMLB (Reply 1):
Could be an over fill by the fueler and the auto shut off is not working.

That would come from a different vent.



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User currently offlineTWAL1011727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 637 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7613 times:

What they do......open that fuel dump valve John McLane did in Diehard II.

This looks as though its coming out of the fuel dump nozzle.
Some nincompoop may have opened the valve accidentally in the cockpit

Quoting A388 (Reply 4):
In this case most likely some other fluid is used that is allowed to be used on the tarmac instead of jet fuel itself.

It does kinda look like a cleanser or some other type of fluid with all that foam and not Jet fuel.

KD


User currently offlineTxjim From United States of America, joined May 2008, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7443 times:



Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 3):
The info on the picture says it was taken in Tehran, Iran. I get the feeling they do not have a version of the EPA.

The caption indicated that it was an Iran Air Force aircraft. Keep in mind that some of the more polluted areas in the US are military bases.

Kind of looked like the liquid was flowing toward the fire extinguisher. Hope it's something other than Jet A!


User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7349 times:

Quoting TWAL1011727 (Reply 7):
It does kinda look like a cleanser or some other type of fluid with all that foam and not Jet fuel.

   Jet-A doesn't look that thin and is certainly not that foamy or frothy. It looks just like soapy water to me, though I don't see who in his right mind would put water inside the tanks, can't help with corrosion...

[Edited 2009-02-18 14:49:14]

User currently offlineContrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7269 times:

There are two fire extinguishers in the pic. Could of been put there for what is happening in the pic which would mean it could be Jet A coming out of there. However, we have to put a fire extinguisher at every gate and hardstand so those might of already just been there and maybe it is something other then Jet A. Contacting the photographer I think will answer all our questions. I'm really surprised they didn't say what was going on in the picture, it would of been nice to know.  Smile


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User currently offlineA10WARTHOG From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7140 times:

You can see a guy under the #4 engine on a headset.

It does appear that it is coming out of the fuel dump, but I appears that either no pumps are being used or the pumps are in bad shape. Normally the fuel dump pumps will shoot the fuel a long way.


User currently offlineGeardown From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7125 times:

Theory #1: Someone flushed the toilet and the waste instead of going into a tank has been re-routed to the fuel dump valve.

Theory #2: the aircraft is not working anymore and they are storing water in the wing. What you see is the new shower facility for the Air Force people.

Theory #3: ground-to-ground refueling test in progress.

Theory #4: A mechanic is retiring today and the captain decided to do a water/gas salute.

Theory#5: the 747 is being converted to fight forest fire and they are testing the water dumping procedure.


User currently offlineKleinsim From Qatar, joined Jan 2007, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7093 times:

Theory#6: The aircraft just really had to pee...  duck 

User currently onlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2986 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7059 times:

Those lines on the fuselage are only on the IRIAF KC-747 tankers. Looking at the photo, it appears that the aircraft is without all power, as even the body gear doors have dropped.

The aircraft is much more complete than the 2007 photo. Perhaps it is either a maintainence trainer now, or they are flushing the tanks after long term not-so-good storage.



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8626 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7035 times:
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User currently offlineTropicBird From United States of America, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6878 times:



Quoting Spacepope (Reply 14):
Those lines on the fuselage are only on the IRIAF KC-747 tankers. Looking at the photo, it appears that the aircraft is without all power, as even the body gear doors have dropped.

I noticed the same. They might be getting ready to make the aircraft airworthy (assuming its one that has been in storage). I would not be surprised if the Obama Administration is going to let them have spare parts to get all their 747's back in the air. They just did that for Syria (747SP's) and it would be a good way to thaw relations.


User currently onlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2986 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6869 times:



Quoting TropicBird (Reply 16):
I would not be surprised if the Obama Administration is going to let them have spare parts to get all their 747's back in the air.

Disagree. That would be seen as direct supply of military goods (remember, these are Tanker 747s). Though in truth I don't really see any danger from Iranian Air Force strike packages, even with tanker support.



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User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6787 times:



Quoting Spacepope (Reply 14):
as even the body gear doors have dropped.

This may or may not be indicative of anything serious. You can do the same even with the aircraft powered and hydraulics on. There are a lot of hydraulic lines in the gear well that can leak, for example.



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User currently offlineSoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6222 times:

Actually, that photo demonstrates how the mighty 747 can suck the petro right out of the ground. The half empty glass thinkers believe it to be draining. But the half full thinkers know that in an oil rich country , the opposite holds true...



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User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1259 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4862 times:



Quoting Spacepope (Reply 17):
Disagree. That would be seen as direct supply of military goods (remember, these are Tanker 747s). Though in truth I don't really see any danger from Iranian Air Force strike packages, even with tanker support.

I think he was being sarcastic...



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10655 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4653 times:

Just as an aside, when I worked at SLC, before the DL/WA merger, our gate was at D-1 and WA would have a 727-200 at D-3, going to ANC. Almost every day they would have a fuel spill on that flight because they tried to get as much fuel on board as possible, so, they just filled it until it came out of the wingtip overflows. They knew it was going to happen because they had their fuel spill cart (with absorbent and shovels) ready and waiting.


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User currently offlineIDISA From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

A couple of things I noticed:

a) aircraft is not in good conditions, seems like they're working to get it airborne again so probably they're flushing the tanks, since the aircraft may have been stored from a long time.

b) Mechanics under the aircraft seems not to worry about this massive spray so I guess this is done intentionally as a post-storage test.

Anyway I don't think they can dump fuel on the ramp as a normal procedure, you should use at least absorbent and shovels, not that you can simply open up and spray this way...

Regards
IDISA


User currently offlineHBJZA From Switzerland, joined Jan 2006, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2863 times:



Quoting AbleToFly (Thread starter):
but is this classic 747 dumping fuel on ground?

From my point of view, this must be flushing the tanks with whatever liquid but no jet-A. If the wing was full of jet-A, they could have defuelled it with the "normal" procedure....


User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2402 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2719 times:



Quoting Soon7x7 (Reply 19):
Actually, that photo demonstrates how the mighty 747 can suck the petro right out of the ground. The half empty glass thinkers believe it to be draining. But the half full thinkers know that in an oil rich country , the opposite holds true...

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And now you know the rest of the story...



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25 Dragon6172 : They do seem to not care, although the fella by the engine does have his hands over his mouth in the "uh oh" gesture. I get the impression that it ju
26 Draigonair : From previous photos of this plane it looks as if the plane was stored and they are now trying to get her up and running again. Probably now cleaning
27 413X3 : ironically Iran is the most "westernized" nation in the Middle East behind Israel... what is normal to you??
28 JER757 : I doubt they'd have much effect on the amount of 'fuel' spilling out there!!
29 Dragon6172 : Be interesting what criteria they use to deterimine that.
30 DODCFR : In my fire days I responded to countlees fuel spills from all types of aircraft. To me this does look like a fuel spill, it did just get started, and
31 Contrails15 : and like i said, its a hardstand area where most airlines would already have a fire extinguisher.
32 AA777223 : I dont think he was truly asking what was "normal" for them. I think he more meant what is the standard operating procedure for Iranian airports. He
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