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Pics Of Convoy For A380 MSN038 Lufthansa  
User currently offlineAeroplaneFreak From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 541 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 14991 times:
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Here are the pics of the convoy for Lufthansas first A380

http://www.a380production.com/

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User currently offlineKleinsim From Qatar, joined Jan 2007, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 14905 times:

I wonder if the people living along the route that A380 takes from one factory to the next are tired of the massive transports already. There ought to be more efficient ways of constructing these big birds...

Kleinsim


User currently offlineN104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 908 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 14758 times:



Quoting Kleinsim (Reply 1):
I wonder if the people living along the route that A380 takes from one factory to the next are tired of the massive transports already. There ought to be more efficient ways of constructing these big birds...

Kleinsim

They must be I am suprised they have not made a LCF like boeing that can handle A380 parts or they should assemble it at XFW where they can get ferries closer to the plant



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User currently offlineLHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 14708 times:



Quoting N104UA (Reply 2):

I agree. I get nervous seeing those ferries go under that old bridge in France. They just barely fit!

Though I am certainly looking forward to this A380 more than any of the other ones as of lately.


User currently offlineTheGMan From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 14666 times:

I remember watching a show on the development of the plane a few years back. It seems like they wanted as many of the Airbus Industrie factories to have something to do with this plane.

User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 14663 times:



Quoting N104UA (Reply 2):
They must be I am suprised they have not made a LCF like boeing that can handle A380 parts

Maybe the A380 parts are too big?



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User currently offlineLufthansa411 From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 692 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 14458 times:



Quoting Kleinsim (Reply 1):
I wonder if the people living along the route that A380 takes from one factory to the next are tired of the massive transports already.

I couldn't help but think the same thing. Although on the other hand, look at the number of people lining the road - and this is at midnight and it's not like it is the first convoy.

I would imagine it brings in a fair amount of tourist money/airbus money to these towns.



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User currently offlineNicoEDDF From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 1099 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 13897 times:



Quoting Kleinsim (Reply 1):
I wonder if the people living along the route that A380 takes from one factory to the next are tired of the massive transports already.

I wonder if people, wherever they live, have to "suffer" such unfortunate events.

People living
- close to an airport = noise
- close to a highway = noise
- close to a factory = pollution, noise, heavy transports

So is there really the need to question the "comfort" of those people?!

Or is it yet another "problem" with the A380?


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4395 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 13855 times:

French people are very open minded. They know how to arrange and how to make the best of it - I'm sure if you make a poll if Airbus should move the A380 production to Hamburg, you would get a result even Stalin couldn't dream of.

User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 11795 times:

All Airbus need is an A380 special transport with a fuselage large enough to carry a standard A380 sized fuselage, a sort of Beluga Mk 2.

User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10717 times:



Quoting NicoEDDF (Reply 7):
I wonder if people, wherever they live, have to "suffer" such unfortunate events.

People living
- close to an airport = noise
- close to a highway = noise
- close to a factory = pollution, noise, heavy transports

So is there really the need to question the "comfort" of those people?!

Or is it yet another "problem" with the A380?

Though unlike the highways & the airports that have generally existed for many many years, the people were in place before the A380 convoy existed so in this case those involved in the transporting should be doing something to ensure the comfort of the residents.


User currently offlineGothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10594 times:



Quoting Kleinsim (Reply 1):
There ought to be more efficient ways of constructing these big birds...

Of course there is, but the international politics of building one of these things is delicate enough to justify making it as difficult as possible to build them.  Smile


User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9968 times:
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Quoting KennyK (Reply 9):
All Airbus need is an A380 special transport with a fuselage large enough to carry a standard A380 sized fuselage, a sort of Beluga Mk 2.

Considering A380 fuselage parts wouldn't fit in either a C5 or the AN225 ... I'm not sure how much more oversized you could make an airplane to carry parts of an airplane ...

(that would be a truly out-sized gargantuan aircraft)

- litz


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1710 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8686 times:

Hmmm very good point about Finkenwerder... why didn't they assemble the A380 there due to it being right next to the sea/river??? That would only mean the need for one sea vessel as opposed to a variety of different transportation options...

Airbus are funny.. i guess the decision was mainly political..



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User currently offlineSkyHarborsHome From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 273 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7824 times:

At least they transport at midnight to prevent traffic congestion.


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User currently offlineContrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6661 times:

There was a show I saw on Disovery one time that showed them moving thru the town. Most people they said don't mind and will come out like its a parade, however there are some that get pissed cuz it pretty much shuts down the road and the town. It takes forever to get thru the town due to the road condition and the plane comes within feet of some of the buildings on the route so there going at a crawl. I could see the first couple times being cool, but I would it gets old and annoying after a while.


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User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2130 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6588 times:



Quoting NicoEDDF (Reply 7):

So is there really the need to question the "comfort" of those people?!

Considering many of them live nowhere near an airport, or a factory or even a major road in some cases, I think opponents of the convoy route have very valid complaints.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 13):
Hmmm very good point about Finkenwerder... why didn't they assemble the A380 there due to it being right next to the sea/river??? That would only mean the need for one sea vessel as opposed to a variety of different transportation options...

Politics often trumps efficiency and common sense.



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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2699 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6125 times:

The tail fin of MSN 038 has been transported from XFW to TLS today by a Beluga. Pictures of the tail fin can be seen here:

http://www.aviation-community.de/for...pic.php?f=16&t=4131&p=52650#p52650

[Edited 2009-02-21 09:01:40]

User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6073 times:

So does that "MA" on the fin mean LH's A380 will be registered D-AIMA to D-AIMO? Or has that MA another meaning?


WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2699 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6018 times:



Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 18):
So does that "MA" on the fin mean LH's A380 will be registered D-AIMA

Yes, it will be D-AIMA.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13194 posts, RR: 77
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5862 times:

Airborne transports for A380 components were considered early in the programme, if I recall it right, some kind of monster based on the A340-600 was proposed.

However, there is an essential difference towards industry/infrastrucure throughout a lot of French society.
Put crudely, they tend to welcome it rather than bitch and run to the nearest lawyer.
Compare the battles in the UK to finally get the Channel Tunnel high speed link built, with France.

It might be partly how they compensate affected people in France, compared to the usual penny pinching here?
But I think that when we roll our eyes at yet another mass French street protest/strikes, even riots, over what seems to us minor social reforms or similar, when those involved talk of 'solidarity', we don't get it.
But could it be that this sense of 'solidarity' also includes a willingness to accept the downsides of major industrial and infrastructure projects, since it is seen as being for the greater good of France?

Remember Concorde, where in the UK there were well organized groups (with almost universal press support for a long time), against the project?
If France had similar they kept themselves quiet.

In the UK we have had CND for some 50 years, against the British possession of nuclear weapons, again if there is a French version, they made no impact.
(Thatcher once remarked on how the French socialists had none of the anti nuclear fervor of much of the British Labour Party had in the 1980's)

But then the French accept, indeed expect, the services and infrastructure they have, by being prepared to pay for it.
This is how they have such a high ratio of doctors to the population, I'd hazard a guess that the ratio of lawyers to the population is however, smaller than in the UK or USA.

I could be completely wrong about this, but my gut feeling is that at heart, this is the case.


User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4763 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5756 times:
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Quoting GDB (Reply 20):
(Thatcher once remarked on how the French socialists had none of the anti nuclear fervor of much of the British Labour Party had in the 1980's)

thats because the French really understand why they need the force de frappe while the UK doesn't understand why it needs an independent nuclear deterrent. Its to keep the guys on the other side of La Manche in line! 

also wasn't CND more anti American nukes on UK soil than anti nukes per se, something the French didn't have to worry about

[Edited 2009-02-21 12:03:24]

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13194 posts, RR: 77
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5662 times:

Trex8, not really, CND was formed when there were few US nuclear weapons on UK soil, (in 1958, tactical ones carried by F-100's I'd guess).
Their focus was on British possession, the detonation of the British H bombs in '58 being a large factor.
The stationing of Cruise Missiles in the UK announced in 1979 was a spur to their popularity after 15 years of being dormant. However, when Labour had an anti nuclear manifesto for the 1983 and 1987 elections, they lost badly. Maybe not a major factor, but for many voters it stirred additional doubts, CND never had the extent of support the large demos they could at times marshall, would suggest.

Back to topic, I've remembered where I saw even bigger Airbus Transporters proposed, back when A380 was a project, yet to be launched, called A3XX.
I saw them some years back in Flight International.
Leave it to the good old Flight Global archive. (God, you could lose whole days going through that from 1909 to date!)

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchi...%201155.html?search=super%20beluga

Now that would have been a sight to see! On the other hand, it might well have had issues with ground handling etc, that made Airbus think again.
It's not only in France that A380 components get rather close to existing structures, the wing transportation in the UK has it's moments too.

However, while transportation for these components looks close to the margins at times, can we really say that when Boeing began planning for the construction of the 747, they did have encounter issues of their own? It was after all, one of the great industrial programmes.
If they did, they got around them.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3944 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5616 times:
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has LH stated where they are going to fly the 380 first??


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User currently offlineLHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5529 times:



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 23):

I've heard JFK, but at the same time I heard early on that it would be DEL. The latter of which would be India's first A380 service.

Either way, I'm liking what I'm seeing.


25 Neverest : GDB has a sharp observation and he is spot on. The French public supports projects of national interest. Another example is widespread approval of nu
26 Jbernie : My recollection from the tour I did at the Boeing factory (specifically their intro video) early last month was that they had issues but with almost
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