Kleinsim From Qatar, joined Jan 2007, 154 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14471 times:
I wonder if the people living along the route that A380 takes from one factory to the next are tired of the massive transports already. There ought to be more efficient ways of constructing these big birds...
N104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 894 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14324 times:
Quoting Kleinsim (Reply 1): I wonder if the people living along the route that A380 takes from one factory to the next are tired of the massive transports already. There ought to be more efficient ways of constructing these big birds...
They must be I am suprised they have not made a LCF like boeing that can handle A380 parts or they should assemble it at XFW where they can get ferries closer to the plant
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Burkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4303 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13421 times:
French people are very open minded. They know how to arrange and how to make the best of it - I'm sure if you make a poll if Airbus should move the A380 production to Hamburg, you would get a result even Stalin couldn't dream of.
Jbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10283 times:
Quoting NicoEDDF (Reply 7): I wonder if people, wherever they live, have to "suffer" such unfortunate events.
- close to an airport = noise
- close to a highway = noise
- close to a factory = pollution, noise, heavy transports
So is there really the need to question the "comfort" of those people?!
Or is it yet another "problem" with the A380?
Though unlike the highways & the airports that have generally existed for many many years, the people were in place before the A380 convoy existed so in this case those involved in the transporting should be doing something to ensure the comfort of the residents.
SKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1508 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8252 times:
Hmmm very good point about Finkenwerder... why didn't they assemble the A380 there due to it being right next to the sea/river??? That would only mean the need for one sea vessel as opposed to a variety of different transportation options...
Airbus are funny.. i guess the decision was mainly political..
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Contrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6227 times:
There was a show I saw on Disovery one time that showed them moving thru the town. Most people they said don't mind and will come out like its a parade, however there are some that get pissed cuz it pretty much shuts down the road and the town. It takes forever to get thru the town due to the road condition and the plane comes within feet of some of the buildings on the route so there going at a crawl. I could see the first couple times being cool, but I would it gets old and annoying after a while.
Threepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2097 posts, RR: 8 Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6154 times:
Quoting NicoEDDF (Reply 7):
So is there really the need to question the "comfort" of those people?!
Considering many of them live nowhere near an airport, or a factory or even a major road in some cases, I think opponents of the convoy route have very valid complaints.
Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 13): Hmmm very good point about Finkenwerder... why didn't they assemble the A380 there due to it being right next to the sea/river??? That would only mean the need for one sea vessel as opposed to a variety of different transportation options...
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GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12951 posts, RR: 79 Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5428 times:
Airborne transports for A380 components were considered early in the programme, if I recall it right, some kind of monster based on the A340-600 was proposed.
However, there is an essential difference towards industry/infrastrucure throughout a lot of French society.
Put crudely, they tend to welcome it rather than bitch and run to the nearest lawyer.
Compare the battles in the UK to finally get the Channel Tunnel high speed link built, with France.
It might be partly how they compensate affected people in France, compared to the usual penny pinching here?
But I think that when we roll our eyes at yet another mass French street protest/strikes, even riots, over what seems to us minor social reforms or similar, when those involved talk of 'solidarity', we don't get it.
But could it be that this sense of 'solidarity' also includes a willingness to accept the downsides of major industrial and infrastructure projects, since it is seen as being for the greater good of France?
Remember Concorde, where in the UK there were well organized groups (with almost universal press support for a long time), against the project?
If France had similar they kept themselves quiet.
In the UK we have had CND for some 50 years, against the British possession of nuclear weapons, again if there is a French version, they made no impact.
(Thatcher once remarked on how the French socialists had none of the anti nuclear fervor of much of the British Labour Party had in the 1980's)
But then the French accept, indeed expect, the services and infrastructure they have, by being prepared to pay for it.
This is how they have such a high ratio of doctors to the population, I'd hazard a guess that the ratio of lawyers to the population is however, smaller than in the UK or USA.
I could be completely wrong about this, but my gut feeling is that at heart, this is the case.
Trex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4261 posts, RR: 14 Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5322 times:
Quoting GDB (Reply 20): (Thatcher once remarked on how the French socialists had none of the anti nuclear fervor of much of the British Labour Party had in the 1980's)
thats because the French really understand why they need the force de frappe while the UK doesn't understand why it needs an independent nuclear deterrent. Its to keep the guys on the other side of La Manche in line!
also wasn't CND more anti American nukes on UK soil than anti nukes per se, something the French didn't have to worry about
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12951 posts, RR: 79 Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5228 times:
Trex8, not really, CND was formed when there were few US nuclear weapons on UK soil, (in 1958, tactical ones carried by F-100's I'd guess).
Their focus was on British possession, the detonation of the British H bombs in '58 being a large factor.
The stationing of Cruise Missiles in the UK announced in 1979 was a spur to their popularity after 15 years of being dormant. However, when Labour had an anti nuclear manifesto for the 1983 and 1987 elections, they lost badly. Maybe not a major factor, but for many voters it stirred additional doubts, CND never had the extent of support the large demos they could at times marshall, would suggest.
Back to topic, I've remembered where I saw even bigger Airbus Transporters proposed, back when A380 was a project, yet to be launched, called A3XX.
I saw them some years back in Flight International.
Leave it to the good old Flight Global archive. (God, you could lose whole days going through that from 1909 to date!)
Now that would have been a sight to see! On the other hand, it might well have had issues with ground handling etc, that made Airbus think again.
It's not only in France that A380 components get rather close to existing structures, the wing transportation in the UK has it's moments too.
However, while transportation for these components looks close to the margins at times, can we really say that when Boeing began planning for the construction of the 747, they did have encounter issues of their own? It was after all, one of the great industrial programmes.
If they did, they got around them.