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User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1477 posts, RR: 14
Posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2121 times:
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http://www.columbiabasinherald.com/a...news/doc499c32be2518c484154936.txt

http://www.columbiabasinherald.com/a...news/doc499b1bf33c568954672070.txt

Service to start in June. No flight schedule released yet but probably 2x daily. The second article says they will need 88 pax per day to break even...just don't see that happening. MWH wasn't able to sustain numbers like that even when QX flew in there. When Big Sky was there they only had about 15 per day and that slowly decreased as they pulled out. Once the EAS ran out, this market just can't be served profitably by a larger prop plane.

Though they did get over $500,000 in pledges from local businesses. We'll see if it lasts.

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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3068 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2047 times:

Will this be flying under the UAX banner? If so, it might at least have a chance of attracting connections to LAX/SFO/ORD/IAD/DEN/NRT.

User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1477 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2020 times:
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Quoting RwSEA (Reply 1):
Will this be flying under the UAX banner? If so, it might at least have a chance of attracting connections to LAX/SFO/ORD/IAD/DEN/NRT.

Yes it will. Sounds nice and all, but QX flew the route too with connections to AS, NW, and others not even 10 years ago and it didn't work then. Now with UA pulling back on a lot of SEA service and travel in decline, I don't see how it will work now.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9978 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2008 times:



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 1):
Will this be flying under the UAX banner? If so, it might at least have a chance of attracting connections to LAX/SFO/ORD/IAD/DEN/NRT.

The article states it will be for UA.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5831 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1932 times:
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Quoting Hatbutton (Thread starter):
Service to start in June. No flight schedule released yet but probably 2x daily. The second article says they will need 88 pax per day to break even...just don't see that happening.

With 2X daily and probably reduced to once per day on weekends, how are they going to achieve 88 pax per day, assuming they are using 30-pax Brasilias??? The last I checked 2X daily = 60 pax per day on weekdays.


User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1477 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1924 times:
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Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 4):
With 2X daily and probably reduced to once per day on weekends, how are they going to achieve 88 pax per day, assuming they are using 30-pax Brasilias??? The last I checked 2X daily = 60 pax per day on weekdays.

I think they mean passengers boarded. So 2x daily is 4 one ways which would be 22 per flight.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5831 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1896 times:
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Well, good luck to OO. We will see how long they will really last there.

User currently offlineDurangoMac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1883 times:



Quoting Hatbutton (Reply 5):
I think they mean passengers boarded. So 2x daily is 4 one ways which would be 22 per flight.

I think the writer of the article doesn't know what break-even really is, 22 people each way is too high, I suspect something more around 15.


User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1477 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1876 times:
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Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 6):
Well, good luck to OO. We will see how long they will really last there.

Yeah it may be one of those cases where things go well for a year while they get the subsidy and everyone is excited about service, then numbers drop off after the novelty is gone again.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9385 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1835 times:

Hopefully the route will work. I personally think that OO as United Express does have an opportunity with Horizon ending Q200 service. Being the only express operator with 30 seat planes might help them cut their way into small markets that Horizon does not serve.


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User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1539 times:

UAX has really made a push into old QX markets, recently starting OTH, LMT and now MWH. I was very hopeful that they would go to PDT after QX left but that obviously didn't happen.

Hopefully this newfound expansion works for them.



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User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3381 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1431 times:



Quoting Chugach (Reply 10):
UAX has really made a push into old QX markets, recently starting OTH, LMT and now MWH. I was very hopeful that they would go to PDT after QX left but that obviously didn't happen.

Hopefully this newfound expansion works for them.

They did bid for PDT as EAS, they just didn't win it. Just for the record here, UAX is not the one pulling the strings here, it is all at risk OO flying.



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User currently offlineRidgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1379 times:

So where else is OO going to put those EMB120's that I've heard UA is culling out of intra California routes?

User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3381 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1327 times:



Quoting Ridgid727 (Reply 12):
So where else is OO going to put those EMB120's that I've heard UA is culling out of intra California routes?

Any place with a revenue guarantee. More than likely they will be sold.



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User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3381 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1327 times:

...slash returned to lessors.


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