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20 People Injured On NW Flight  
User currently offlineJoelfreak From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 43 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19085 times:

20 people reported injured upon a NW flight incoming from Philippines. More details as I get them.

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User currently offlineJoelfreak From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19115 times:

According to BNOnews, this was a 747-400, and just landed.

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7525 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19068 times:



Quoting Joelfreak (Reply 1):
According to BNOnews, this was a 747-400, and just landed.

Yep, a 744 since thats the only thing that flies into MNL.



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User currently offlineJoelfreak From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 18970 times:

Other posting claims 3 seriously injured on landing...

User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 18783 times:

Reuters reports about 2 people seriously injured and about 30 slightly injured.

Keep your seat belt on folks!!



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User currently offlineEmirates001 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 18751 times:

CNN saying 30 injured, 3 seriously. Plane encountered heavy turbulence 20 minutes prior to arriving in NRT. Conditions foggy at NRT this hour.

User currently offlineTheredbaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2186 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 18513 times:

I always wonder why people like to be fooling around the cabin and no t be seated a properly secured.
yep we always get tired and bored but as soon as the plane starts moving I get back ASAP even if on queue for the lav.



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User currently offlineDraigonair From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 708 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 18119 times:

20 minutes before arrival? Hmm well there are always people going to bathroom etc just before arrival so you cant really do anything about that...there were 400people onboard, the 30 people injured could have been a lot more.

Nick



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User currently offlineFerengi80 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 687 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 17914 times:
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I guess some could be cabin crew making final preperations for landing. I just hope its nothing too serious.

I have to agree it could have been a lot worse, although wouldn't the fasten seatbelt signs be lit if they were only 20 minutes out?



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User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 674 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 17871 times:



Quoting Ferengi80 (Reply 8):
I have to agree it could have been a lot worse, although wouldn't the fasten seatbelt signs be lit if they were only 20 minutes out?

Not really, I remember I flew a QF 763 SYD-PER a few years ago and the seatbelt sign was turned on about 8 minutes out of the airport.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 17816 times:

Which NW flight was it?
NRT-MNL or NGO-MNL?



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User currently offlineFeroze From India, joined Dec 2004, 794 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 17818 times:

BBC News link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7900892.stm


User currently offlineDingDong From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 17782 times:



Quoting Centrair (Reply 10):
Which NW flight was it? NRT-MNL or NGO-MNL?

From what I understand, MNL-NRT. Might have been NW Flight 2?



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User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 17643 times:



Quote:
Northwest Airlines spokesman Masashi Takahashi said the turbulence happened 25-30 minutes before landing, when the seatbelt light was on.

But then there is this:

Quote:
"It really happened so fast and it was over," Mr Salazar said.
"We were flying and then the seatbelt sign came on and when we were trying to get back to the seats, the plane dropped and so some people went up and hit the [ceiling]."



User currently offlineDragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 17640 times:

A guy quoted in that BBC link says he counted about three holes left in the ceiling from people who flew up and hit. Impressive. Pictures from this aircraft and the people injured need to be put on the safety cards, then maybe people will figure out why they should wear their seat belts.


Phrogs Phorever
User currently offlineEmirates001 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 17625 times:

452 souls on board the NRT bound NW747-400. The 30 injured pax believe to be passengers (not crew) and suffering from sprained necks, broken hands etc.. Jet experienced turbulence 20 minutes out and pilots had to make a hard landing. Perhaps this indicates the turbulence threw the plane off its intended descent thus complicating its finals = hence the harder than normal, rushed, landing.

User currently offlineDingDong From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 17585 times:



Quoting Emirates001 (Reply 15):
Perhaps this indicates the turbulence threw the plane off its intended descent thus complicating its finals = hence the harder than normal, rushed, landing.

Seems unlikely since normally, temporary altitude deviation during a moderate to severe turbulence event is no more than several hundred feet at most. That wouldn't significantly change the DES path. Not yet clear on timeline here but if it happened 20-30 minutes prior to touchdown, they would have had been at the TOD (top of descent point) or early on in the descent. No problem in recapturing the path with a minor altitude deviation, especially that early on.



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User currently offlineDragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 17542 times:



Quoting Emirates001 (Reply 15):
Perhaps this indicates the turbulence threw the plane off its intended descent thus complicating its finals = hence the harder than normal, rushed, landing.

If you can not get yourself back on course, descent profile, etc in 20 minutes you should not be flying a 747.



Phrogs Phorever
User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4250 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 17467 times:

Clear Air Turbulence is well known in the skies above Japan. Especially in winter time, when the strong jetstream is blowing from South to Northeast over Japan. Severe turbulence is almost daily forecasted.
Therefore, always keep the seatbelt on! Flightcrew usually takes care about the issue to adjust flightlevels and act carefully after receiving pilot reports from other aircraft on the route, but for landing, they have to penetrate such an area at some time.
20 minutes before landing, that would mean an altitude of about FL150 in Japan. More then enough time to adjust back to normal levels and approach path. This would have nothing to do with a hard landing.
Landings at NRT can be rough at many occassions, since the terrain is not flat and especially the 34L/R runways are affected by buildings, therefore wind is often gusty on very short finals.



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User currently offlineEmirates001 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 17193 times:



Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 17):
if it happened 20-30 minutes prior to touchdown, they would have had been at the TOD (top of descent point) or early on in the descent. No problem in recapturing the path with a minor altitude deviation, especially that early on.

thanks guys. points noted. But why the 'hard landing' then?


User currently offlineDraigonair From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 708 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 17006 times:

Seatbelt signs area usually in AUTO mode..they automatically switch on descending through 10000ft, is there was turbulence before, they would have switched the seatbelts sign to ON.

Not sure why the hard landing, how can turbulence 20min before arrival cause a hard landing? Any gusting winds upon arrival?



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User currently offlineDingDong From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 16974 times:



Quoting Emirates001 (Reply 19):
But why the 'hard landing' then?

Truthfully, that's honestly a good question. The BBC article linked to in an earlier reply didn't mention a hard landing. So, out of curiosity, where'd you see the mention of hard landing? Reason why I ask is because whereever you got that information may potentially offer us some insight into what is being said about this situation.

Cheers,



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User currently offlineEmirates001 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 16790 times:



Quoting DingDong (Reply 21):
So, out of curiosity, where'd you see the mention of hard landing? Reason why I ask is because whereever you got that information may potentially offer us some insight into what is being said about this situation.

CNN is the source. They were describing it as a hard landing all day...


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3537 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 16237 times:



Quoting Draigonair (Reply 20):
Seatbelt signs area usually in AUTO mode..they automatically switch on descending through 10000ft, is there was turbulence before, they would have switched the seatbelts sign to ON.

Not on US airlines. Seatbelt signs are usually in "ON" mode for the majority of the ascent and descent on most US airlines. I've noticed foreign carriers to be much more liberal with the use of the seatbelt sign.



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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4250 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 15655 times:



Quoting LHR380 (Reply 13):
Quote:
"It really happened so fast and it was over," Mr Salazar said.
"We were flying and then the seatbelt sign came on and when we were trying to get back to the seats, the plane dropped and so some people went up and hit the [ceiling]."

Seatbelt sign was on when it happened. Probably the flightcrew was aware of the possible turbulence, but it happened too soon and suddenly very hard.

As it was about 20 minutes before arrival, the aircraft would've been around 15,000 feet height, since this would quite according the NRT arrival procedures.

The hard landing cannot have anything to do with the turbulence. Don't believe all info said by the media... a rough landing occurs very often, and the majority is caused by the elevation of terrain around the airport and buildings on and around the airport, causing gusting winds.



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25 Adam42185 : In my experience flying on long flights (i guess any flight really) it always seems people wait until the very last minute during the initial descent
26 Emirates001 : Maybe some of the injured were even in the lav at the time.. Their fault? Depends on the sign I guess...
27 AndrewUber : I too am puzzled by this statement. Unless there crew was hurt, or there was damage to the aircraft after the turbulence, no pilot says "Gosh, looks
28 Post contains links and images Transpac787 : Not possible. NW 744's hold 403 pax: 65J/338Y. I think there are typically 14 FA's too, plus the two pilots for the short MNL-NRT. For those who may
29 SpeedBirdA380 : I have flown quite a lot of long-haul routes with QF and BA and in my experience they always tend to put the seatbelt sign on way before reaching 10,
30 SuseJ772 : I'll agree with that. I swear I was on a KL flight from MSP to AMS that turned the seatbelt sign off on that first F/A chime 3-4 minutes or so into t
31 Rsrik : I landed from NRT just a couple hours ago on NW 28. A flight attendant told me about this. She thought that around 50 people were injured. She said th
32 Post contains links Panamair : Yes, latest is a total of 50 injured including 7 crew members; 4 pax hospitalized. Flight was carrying 408 pax and 14 crew members; given that there
33 Caspian27 : A "hard" landing is sometimes the very best kind of landing in gusty conditions. When it is really windy, bumpy, or a strong crosswind I want to get i
34 F35 : back in 99, i was on the last flight out of pbi, with a hurricane just offshore, we had engine problems...but they fixed it and we left, amazing turbu
35 Ikramerica : How do you wear your seatbelt while walking to the bathroom? In my limited experience going to Tokyo, turbulence has always been bad and the seatbelt
36 Falcon790 : US FARs require all passengers to have their seat belts on during take-off and landing. That is all. The rest of what you see is pilot preference/airl
37 Dragon6172 : I was talking about the folks who decide to not buckle their belts while in their seats.
38 Ikramerica : Yes, but the quote says that the seatbelt sign was turned on but pax were unable to get "back to their seats" before the turbulence hit, so I was jus
39 DingDong : That's true, but seems less likely given: - This is a U.S.-based carrier (Northwest/Delta) - This occurred 20-30 mins before landing which meant they
40 Theredbaron : I was seated in the last row in an AA 737 a few years ago, we started descent, th epilot said there was going to be turbulence but we should expect a
41 Ikramerica : No, not on final with 20-30 minutes left. Again, the report is that the seatbelt light was off, then came on suddenly and before people could even si
42 Post contains links CityAirline : The NW flights between MNL and NRT must be jinxed, it feels like there's something going on all the time! lol There was a flight that had to return to
43 WNCrew : Yes, sort of... The FAR states: 121.317 (b) Except as provided in paragraph (l) if this section, the FASTEN SEAT BELT sign shall be turned on during
44 AirPortugal310 : wake turbulence possibly from an airplane in front?
45 Post contains links Viscount724 : One tragic example of that was the BOAC 707 that broke up in severe turbulence soon after takeoff from HND in March 1966, killing all 124 aboard. htt
46 Mir : Seems unlikely at that point in time. Wake turbulence is a factor when the producing airplane is slow - this only starts happening 5-10 minutes from
47 Ditzyboy : At Qantas the seatbelt sign is put on WAY later than that (5 000ft?). Sometimes at slat extension. The seatbelt sign is only put on earlier due turbu
48 Ikramerica : I was shocked at how early they turn it off and how late they turn it on on my QF flights until it was explained that they have a different rule, so
49 Ditzyboy : Seems silly? Or more sensible? Crew moving around the cabin and performing their duties are far mare susceptible to injury during turbulence (or poss
50 Rsrik : I don't think Ikramerica was bringing up the airlines' care for employees at all. He seemed to imply that the same indication need not apply to Crew
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