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User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 862 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

Hi Everyone,

I read on another thread that the Embraer 170s and 190s come with factory-installed seats that most, if not all, airlines tend to or have to use. Is this the case, and is it true for any other airplines? I know that, at least for other mainline aircraft, each airline installs its own seats (assuming the aircraft hasn't been leased from another airline) which leads to differences in seat pitch, width, thickness, and material (cloth or leather). If I remember what I read on the other thread, every E170 and 190 comes with leather seats of a certain width, but it's up to the airline how much pitch there is, and whether there's a first class cabin. Is this the case?

Thanks!

Soxfan  Smile


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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3901 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3008 times:

I think that Boeing and AIrbus do kit the interiors to customers spec's, including seats, lav's and galleys. I suppose historically airlines were more inclined to use bespoke seating products, but not so much in current times, particularly in Y on short-haul narrow-bodies. The slim-line Recaro, Weber and B/E Aerospace seats seem to be almost universally used on the A320 and B737.
I think as time goes on airlines are happeir to use an "off the shelf" solution, its cheaper and easier to maintain. I think the E-Jets are the first aircraft to come to market in this enviornmnet and no airline was bothered enough to design a bespoke seat for their use. In additon 2-2 seating is not common in Y so there was no similar seats already in production.

Brian.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2933 times:

Lets clarify something - manufacturers do not provide interior furnishings, as if you were buying a car that came with some standard basic furnishings.

However what there is particularly amongst props and RJs manufacturers offering couple generic seat, galley, lavatory configurations which they can install for you. However the operator still very much pays for these furnishings as part of the purchase of the plane.

In general such set ups work for the smaller operators, with small orders. However as an airline or order of any meaningful size you would be better of soliciting bids of your own for such cabin furnishings, not to mention the flexibility in being designing and aesthetically promote your own image.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24080 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2728 times:

Seats on early-model DC-8s were designed and supplied by Douglas. They were known as "Palomar" seats. That meant that seats on virtually all early DC-8s were the same except for the seat covers. All passenger services (reading llights, oxygen masks, air vents, call buttons) were in the seat itself. There were no controls or lgihts at all in the overhead panels on the early DC-8s. That changed with late model DC-8-50s and all DC-8-60s where, as far as I know, seats became buyer-furnished equipment. Excerpt below from a 1964 Flight International article on seating:

Today airliner seat design and manufacture has become a major
industry on both sides of the Atlantic, and many airlines feel that
this is a specialist activity best undertaken by specialist firms.
Douglas, however, has been developing seats since DC-2 days, a
programme which reached a peak in 1957 with the Palomar seat
for the DC-8. This was something of a revolution in seat design, as
it accommodated the passenger utilities: each triple seat contains
its own passenger service unit incorporating oxygen masks, reading
lights, stewardess call-light, tray lights, trays and cold-air outlets.
These services are connected to the sidewall utilities duct through an
umbilical attachment.


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User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

WOW...Thanks so much, Viscount, for that fascinating information! Many props for going to the lengths you did to find all this.  Smile


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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

Interiors are known as Buyer Furnished Equipment. One Aerospace Executive said that if airlines accepted standard equipment on every plane they would save substantial amounts of money - an aviation version of the Model T Ford which came in any color you liked, so long as it was black.

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