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User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3646 times:

Just quickly met up with Plymspotter near T4 and chatted as we watched the arrivals on 27R.

First question, what was the 727 we saw come in to land around 1900. For some reason ATC did not really give the KLM 737 behind it a lot of separation as it had to go around.

Second question, some time between 1830 and 1900 we saw a 146 come in. Very rare
(I think) to LHR. We could not make out the livery, any ideas anyone?

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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3615 times:



Quoting LHR380 (Thread starter):
we saw a 146 come in. Very rare
(I think) to LHR. We could not make out the livery, any ideas anyone?

Was it the Royal jet? Do they still have that ?


User currently offlineDAL763ER From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3617 times:
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Checked BAA and flightstats.com. I can't see anything regarding a 727 and 146.


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User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3588 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):

As far as im aware the Royal Fleet exists still. Used to live at RAF Benson where they were based, but it was not a Royal Flight that I could make out.


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3569 times:



Quoting LHR380 (Thread starter):
For some reason ATC did not really give the KLM 737 behind it a lot of separation as it had to go around.

Ah~  redflag  Before you accuse FD and the tower of underspacing and causing the go around, can you confirm the 727 that was in front got off the runway in good time?

Since it's not a regular visitor, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the 727 who either got lost or was unfamiliar with the runway occupancy rules at Heathrow - get off asap.



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User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3540 times:

We heard the reverser's go on the 727, so it would have been well past T4 by then, and the 737 started its go around I would say, just after going over the Green Man.

Not blaming anyone btw, just stating what we saw.

Spacing seemed very close, if the 727 had been a 737 or something, I still don't think there would have been time.


User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3519 times:



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 4):
Since it's not a regular visitor, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the 727 who either got lost or was unfamiliar with the runway occupancy rules at Heathrow - get off asap.

Seems that BA have conveniently forgotten that rule since T5 opened. It is very common now to see the A319/20/21's rollling all the way down before exiting by T3/Compass Centre or beyond so they don't have to taxi as far to T5, where as when they were in T1, the anchors would be on, and they would be off the runway before they reached the tunnel (on 27R that is)!!.

Quoting LHR380 (Thread starter):
what was the 727 we saw come in to land around 1900

There is a 727 that does come in from time to time, it is a private jet - cream and brown IIRC with winglets. Is that the one ?.

Quoting LHR380 (Thread starter):
some time between 1830 and 1900 we saw a 146 come in. Very rare
(I think) to LHR. We could not make out the livery, any ideas anyone?

The only ones to visit recently have been diverts from LCY.

 Smile



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User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3506 times:



Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 6):
There is a 727 that does come in from time to time, it is a private jet - cream and brown IIRC with winglets. Is that the one ?.

Have seen that one departing before over Hatton Cross. Could not tell if it was the same one.

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 6):
The only ones to visit recently have been diverts from LCY.

Weather aint an issue so we should not really be seeing LCY diverts today?


User currently offlineEICVD From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2145 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3484 times:



Quoting LHR380 (Thread starter):
Second question, some time between 1830 and 1900 we saw a 146 come in. Very rare

A WX a/c on an AF flight maybe?


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 3411 times:



Quoting LHR380 (Reply 5):
Spacing seemed very close, if the 727 had been a 737 or something, I still don't think there would have been time.


It's impossible for someone to measure from the ground the distance spacing between 2 aircraft. So I'm always very skeptical about people commenting on the spacing. Very close or too close would be a perception of yours and any accusation would imply the FD or the tower doing something wrong and potentially illegal. It is a serious matter.

The only thing you could have gone by would be time. Did you time the interval between the 2 aircraft? With that I can tell you if the spacing is about right.

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 6):
Seems that BA have conveniently forgotten that rule since T5 opened. It is very common now to see the A319/20/21's rollling all the way down before exiting by T3/Compass Centre or beyond so they don't have to taxi as far to T5, where as when they were in T1, the anchors would be on, and they would be off the runway before they reached the tunnel (on 27R that is)!!.

Don't forget A7/8 are 90deg exits, A9/10 are slightly angled (higher speed). If they didn't hit the brakes early the difference in runway occupancy is only a few seconds. It's not really an issue. I'd worry if they start coming off A11.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24786 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3224 times:



Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 6):
Quoting LHR380 (Thread starter):
some time between 1830 and 1900 we saw a 146 come in. Very rare
(I think) to LHR. We could not make out the livery, any ideas anyone?

The only ones to visit recently have been diverts from LCY.

LX operates 2 Avro RJ100s GVA-LHR-GVA on Saturday only during the winter.

LX2632 arrives 1225, LX2633 departs 1305
LX2634 arrives 1725, LX2635 departs 1810


User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3186 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):

Thanks for that, I had no idea!


User currently offlineRutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2959 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3076 times:
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Viscount724

Both the Geneva Ski Saturday Swiss flights have seen a variety of RJ100/A319 and A320s this season, however a few Zurich flights have also seen RJ100s recently.

Whilst not timetabled Lufthansa/Eurowing 146/RJs turn up occasionally on Dusseldorf/Stuttgart rotations

Have been checking SBS records and the only 146/RJ traffic around the 6 to 7pm (GMT) time frame in question were regular LCY traffic as far as i can see.

It could have been a 32nd Squadron unit positioning in from Northolt as this might not show on SBS however.

The B727 again can't find it on the SBS but could have been the Bahrain Gov A9C-BA which makes frequent visits.


User currently offlineFcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 765 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2919 times:

A9-CBA arrived at that time on my SBS. I also picked up D-AVRJ

User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2885 times:



Quoting Fcogafa (Reply 13):

Thanks for that. Very nice to see a 727 at LHR  Smile


User currently offlineLHRlocal From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

My first thought when you mentioned the 727 was this:

Quoting Rutankrd (Reply 12):
Bahrain Gov A9C-BA

As for the 146, Lufthansa Regional is your best bet as they operate them fairly often into LHR, although of course it might be something a bit more exotic!


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