FFlyerWorld From United States, joined Apr 2008, 236 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12694 times:
Read this past week that Delta is STILL pondering and supposedly VERY close to sealing a deal to add 20 plus MD-90's to the fleet. This has been talked about for years now but nothing has ever been confirmed. My question is IF they do complete this deal with Boeing Aircraft Leasing for 3 MD-90s's and the others from a Chinese carrier - will they be replacing MD 88's? or will they pull out RJ's and replace with these or what? Anyone with any "inside" information?
There is more speculation found on this link regarding acquistion of MD 90's
STT757 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 12065 posts, RR: 54 Reply 1, posted (9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12595 times:
This rumor has been popping up for over a year, with current economic conditions leading to a substantial drop in air travel and the integration of the DL and NWA fleets I don't see where this is still an option. As I understand it the MD-90s would replace MD-88s which in turn would take over NWA DC-9 routes thus allowing the DC-9s to be retired, there's always the possibility that oil can spike at anytime and the DC-9 is not plane you want in your fleet when oil is high. The DC-9s burn on average 50% more fuel than a 737-800, unfortunately the MD-88s are not that much better. The MD-88s burn on average 30% more fuel than the 737-800s, the MD-90s also burn more fuel than the 737-800s however their low acquisition cost on the used market is why DL is interested.
I disagree with DL's thinking here, if I were in the business of giving advice to DL I would be beefing up their existing 737-800 as well as adding 737-900ERs to that order. The 737-800s can take over for the MD-88s which can replace the DC-9s out of DTW and MSP, and the 737-900ERs could take over for some of the oldest 757-200s as well as 73H's on Trans-Cons from JFK.
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CompensateMe From United States, joined Jan 2009, 241 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12570 times:
It makes sense for DL to continue to ponder acquiring used MD-90, as acquisition costs would be relatively low whereas operating costs would be similar to the 320/738. Any deal would be heavily dependent upon acquisition cost. If a deal did happen, whether these planes would be utilized for expansion, replacing mainline types or RJ flying would be heavily dependent on DL's projected capacity needs.
CompensateMe From United States, joined Jan 2009, 241 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12473 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 1): ...the MD-90s would replace MD-88s which in turn would take over NWA DC-9 routes thus allowing the DC-9s to be retired...
The MD-88 is too big to be a direct DC-9 replacement. And as NW is integrated into DL, a re-fleeting will occur. Projected capacity needs will dictate whether the MD-90 are used for expansion, replacing RJ or replacing other mainline types. Right now there's too much uncertainty.
Quote: ...there's always the possibility that oil can spike at anytime and the DC-9 is not plane you want in your fleet when oil is high. The DC-9s burn on average 50% more fuel than a 737-800... The MD-88s burn on average 30% more fuel than the 737-800s...
On the shorter flights that the DC-9 and MD-88 predominately operate, the total trip cost isn't as extreme. Of course there's the possibility that the price of oil can spike at anytime... but oil should never have reached the levels it did, and nobody is projecting it to go that high anytime soon. You need to run a business within your best interests -- that would include preparing for panic situations, not crafting it for so.
Quote: ...the MD-90s also burn more fuel than the 737-800s...
I don't have the numbers offhand -- maybe someone else does -- but fuel burn is similar.
Quote: ...with current economic conditions leading to a substantial drop in air travel and the integration of the DL and NWA fleets I don't see where this is still an option.
The current economic conditions are also driving down the price of the MD-90. If DL could add additional frames to its fleet at low acquisition costs, and the aircraft provided superior operating benefits vs. the cost of types currently within the fleet, why wouldn't it be an option?
Quote: I disagree with DL's thinking here, if I were in the business of giving advice to DL...
Good thing you're not. DL's operated the MD-90 for more than 10 years -- it's already in the fleet. If additional frames could be added for a fraction the cost of a new 737NG, but have similar operating costs, then what would be the point of adding 737NG?
Evan767 From United States, joined Aug 2005, 2864 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12460 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 1): I disagree with DL's thinking here, if I were in the business of giving advice to DL I would be beefing up their existing 737-800 as well as adding 737-900ERs to that order. The 737-800s can take over for the MD-88s which can replace the DC-9s out of DTW and MSP, and the 737-900ERs could take over for some of the oldest 757-200s as well as 73H's on Trans-Cons from JFK.
DL wants these MD-90's, I believe, to be based out of SLC. Using these MD-90's would take away most 738's from SLC that fly short-medium haul routes. Then, Delta can better utilize these 738's on longer, coast to coast routes.
The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
Hehehe yeah I always thought it looked majestic in the DL livery. To bad the plane couldn't have had a tad more legs to it or it might still be there. Oh well I guess the beast after my own heart the 777-200LR makes up for it
C5LOAD From United States, joined Sep 2008, 236 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (9 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12238 times:
Quoting Atlwest1 (Reply 6): To bad the plane couldn't have had a tad more legs to it or it might still be there
It could do soooo many of the trans-atlantic routes that DL wants now that they are expanding it, as well as Asia-US routes and InterAsia routes as well. I think they got rid of that thing way too early in its career. Just my opinion.
"But this airplane has 4 engines, it's an entirely different kind of flying! Altogether"
Azjubilee From United States, joined Apr 2000, 3034 posts, RR: 39 Reply 8, posted (9 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12186 times:
Jeez... here's a thought... why don't they just use what they just got from NWA? One of the major reasons in merging was for the NWA fleet to complement the DL fleet. Why spend tons of money when you can utilize the assets you just acquired? In this day of capacity reductions, I'm sure they can find some wiggle room in the schedule to increase utilization on the current fleet instead of making unnecessary capital investments.
C767P From United States, joined Oct 2008, 337 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12113 times:
Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 2): It makes sense for DL to continue to ponder acquiring used MD-90, as acquisition costs would be relatively low whereas operating costs would be similar to the 320/738.
I think it was shortly after Delta officially turned down US Airways Anderson had said the MD-90 has a lower operating cost compared to the 738 for Delta. Can anyone confirm that?
Cadet57 From United States, joined Jul 2005, 8010 posts, RR: 39 Reply 10, posted (9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12017 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 1): nd the 737-900ERs could take over for some of the oldest 757-200s as well as 73H's on Trans-Cons from JFK.
Why would you want to replace the 73H? It's brand new to the fleet and iirc was purchased for thinner trans-con routes as well as SLC routes (correct me if im wrong) So you'd be adding more seats where they wouldn't be warranted.
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DELTA7478 From United States, joined Dec 2008, 112 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11968 times:
I also think they need to get more 737-700's and 800 to replace the old MD-88's and the 737-900ER to start replacing the older 757-200's. I think the desition is going to be made buy the state of the economy and fuel. The MD-88's and even MD-90's burn about 39% more fuel the the newer 737's so that might make the final desition. I do think they will take more MD-90's to replace some older MD-88's and our new DC-9-30s from NW. Right know DL has about 60 737-800s options that can easly be put in to orders acording to DL Net.
Will just have to see.
Fleet as of September 30, 2008
Aircraft Type Current Fleetd Orders Options Rolling Options
aExcludes 32 aircraft which will be sold to third parties immediately following delivery of these aircraft to us.
bExcludes 5 aircraft orders we assigned to Pinnacle Airlines.
cIncludes three B767-300 and two MD88 aircraft that have been temporarily grounded.
dDuring the quarter, Delta:
• Accepted delivery of four B737-700 aircraft;
• Permanently grounded two B757-200 aircraft;
• Purchased four B757-200 aircraft that were previously leased;
• Entered into sale-leaseback arrangements on four B757-200 aircraft;
• Permanently grounded three CRJ100/200 aircraft pending return to lessor; and
• Sold one B757-200 and one CRJ100 aircraft.
eTwo Embraer 175 aircraft have been received but had not been placed into service before September 30, 2008 and therefore are not included in the table above.
PanAm330 From United States, joined Mar 2004, 2409 posts, RR: 15 Reply 12, posted (9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11942 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 1): I disagree with DL's thinking here, if I were in the business of giving advice to DL I would be beefing up their existing 737-800 as well as adding 737-900ERs to that order. The 737-800s can take over for the MD-88s which can replace the DC-9s out of DTW and MSP, and the 737-900ERs could take over for some of the oldest 757-200s as well as 73H's on Trans-Cons from JFK.
I disagree with yours. You'd have them pass up perfectly good, modern and most of all cheap aircraft to add yet another fleet type? That makes no sense at all, from a financial standpoint. They already have MD90s, and they do a great job ex-SLC. The fuel burn can't be too different - the aircraft uses the same engines that the A320 does (the IAE V2500).
STT757 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 12065 posts, RR: 54 Reply 13, posted (9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11833 times:
Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 10): Why would you want to replace the 73H?
Replace on trans-con routes, not replace from the fleet. The 737-900 offers a lower CASM than the 737-800s which helps especially in markets where there's heavy LCC competition, DL's not exactly tearing it up with their trans-cons from JFK.
Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 12): I disagree with yours. You'd have them pass up perfectly good, modern and most of all cheap aircraft to add yet another fleet type?
737-700s, 737-800s and 737-900ERs are the same type, different models but same type.
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BMI727 From United States, joined Feb 2009, 3163 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11756 times:
Quoting DELTA7478 (Reply 11): I also think they need to get more 737-700's
No. The 73W should only be used where the performance is needed. As such it will remain a relatively small subfleet. Other routes should use the 73H as it has a lower CASM.
Quoting Seemyseems (Reply 14): Will the MD's still be economically sound?
More so than the DC-9 and MD-80 for sure. Plus, 737s can only be delivered so fast and the 90s will come far cheaper anyway. Having a large DC-9 and MD-80 fleet will put Delta in a corner if oil spikes again which is not out of the realm of possibility.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
TISTPAA727 From United States, joined May 2007, 167 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11744 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 13): The 737-900 offers a lower CASM than the 737-800
Isn't that just because it has more seats? If you can't fill up the seats it won't make sense to move up to the 739. Thinking long-term, you are probably right. As the economy recovers, more capacity will be needed and the 739 could fit the bill perfectly.
1337Delta764 From United States, joined Oct 2005, 3278 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11730 times:
Quoting TISTPAA727 (Reply 16): Isn't that just because it has more seats? If you can't fill up the seats it won't make sense to move up to the 739. Thinking long-term, you are probably right. As the economy recovers, more capacity will be needed and the 739 could fit the bill perfectly.
I actually think the 739ER would be a good aircraft to use on ABQ-ATL in the summer. After all, DL has no trouble filling 757s on the route in the summer, and the 739ER is somewhat more efficient than the 752 on the route. Both the 739ER and the 752 offer superior hot-and-high performance compared to the MD-88. The last time DL flew the MD-88 on ABQ-ATL (and ABQ-CVG) during the summer, flights were often weight restricted, resulting in quite a few empty seats.
TISTPAA727 From United States, joined May 2007, 167 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11683 times:
Good point. For some reason (must be tired) was thinking the 739s would be to upgrade some MD-88 and 738 routes. As a 752 replacement, yes, that would make sense.
CompensateMe From United States, joined Jan 2009, 241 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11654 times:
Quoting Seemyseems (Reply 14): Will the MD's still be economically sound? Personally I would go for a more modern option, maybe more B737NG's?
The MD-90 is of the same generation as the A320 and B737NG families. I explained the advantages in my earlier replies.
Quoting STT757 (Reply 13): Replace on trans-con routes, not replace from the fleet. The 737-900 offers a lower CASM than the 737-800s
Why would DL want to acquire B739ER when it has a surplus of B757? The cost advantage of the B739 is small and weighed against acquisition and start-up costs (e.g. training), what sense would it make for DL to add this type to its fleet? DL operates more than 170 B757. CO has 41.
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 17): I actually think the 739ER would be a good aircraft to use on ABQ-ATL in the summer.
I don't know where ABQ came from, but it's an insignificant market in deciding a fleet plan. Same argument as above.
CompensateMe From United States, joined Jan 2009, 241 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11633 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 18): Ordering 739ERs makes sense for most of the American legacy carriers as 757s are transitioned to trans-Atlantic flying.
There's roughly 40 B757 within DL's fleet that will ever fly across the Atlantic. If DL needed additional domestic lift in the sub-200 passenger-market, it wouldn't have parked/sold off several of its 757 already. Yes, several of these aircraft are aging but there's still plenty of life left in them.
I actually think the 739ER would be a good aircraft to use on ABQ-ATL in the summer. After all, DL has no trouble filling 757s on the route in the summer, and the 739ER is somewhat more efficient than the 752 on the route. Both the 739ER and the 752 offer superior hot-and-high performance compared to the MD-88. The last time DL flew the MD-88 on ABQ-ATL (and ABQ-CVG) during the summer, flights were often weight restricted, resulting in quite a few empty seats.
You are so right.. My marents live in ABQ and it's almost imposible to get out of there if the flights are full, I also realize that wen they had the 757's from ATL the flight was 92% full. The 737-900ER will make DL money on that route.
BMI727 From United States, joined Feb 2009, 3163 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11393 times:
Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 21): it wouldn't have parked/sold off several of its 757 already.
I'm not an insider but when did this happen? The last movement in DL's 757 fleet (other than the NW acquisition) was that they got and refurbished those (17?) ex AA/TW birds.
For that matter, how do NW's 757s fit into all of this. I recall seeing on this board that some of them (5500) are rather old and tired, but even the oldest 75s have plenty of useful life left with a litte TLC. How many of NW's 75s are ETOPS certified and how many can be in the future if needed?
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
WorldTraveler From United States, joined Aug 2003, 6755 posts, RR: 30 Reply 24, posted (9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11399 times:
Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 3): Quote:
...the MD-90s also burn more fuel than the 737-800s...
I don't have the numbers offhand -- maybe someone else does -- but fuel burn is similar.
The A320 and MD90 have almost identical fuel burn stats both per aircraft and per seat. The 738 is slightly higher but its missions are longer and thus fuel burn is higher; on a per seat basis, though, the 738 compares very favorably esp. because DL has 160 seats in many 738s.
The real benefit for the M90 comes from its very low ownership costs; it is an orphan plane. It doesn't have the performance of other newer generation aircraft like the 320 and the 738 but Dl doesn't need to have transcon performance for every aircraft in its fleet. The lower ownership costs more than make the M90 a very smart alternative for DL. The fact that other carriers are dumping older and orphan aircraft is driving down M90 values so it is worth DL's while to wait until those values bottom out before buying or leasing based on current values. Even if the M90 is used for only 10 years, it still is a far cheapr alternative to newer generation aircraft.
DL is also being careful not to stress the balance sheet since credit is tight and merger integration does have costs. Once the bottom is found in the economy and DL knows how it is positioned at that point, it is easier to start spending money on aircraft.
Most of the leases DL signed in bankruptcy were for 7 year terms so most of the DL leased aircraft at the time of BK will be around until 2015 or so unless DL terminates the leases early. There are enough older DL and NW aircraft which are paid for and or owned/mortgaged which can be retired that it isn't necessary to early terminate aircraft.
There are older 757s and M88s as well as the DC9s that have or soon will reach the end of their normal economic life for a network carrier. Those aircraft will be the most likely to leave - some are owned and some are leased.
Finally, DL has said they either want to increase the size of the M90 fleet or get rid of it. Based on current economics and the number of M90s that are on the market, it is more likely that DL will eventually grow the M90 fleet rather than dispose of it.
Papatango From United States, joined Dec 1999, 426 posts, RR: 0 Reply 25, posted (9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 11049 times:
How about some used 777;s, the SQ birds come to mind?
26 CompensateMe: NW is currently operating 45 B752. Last year, 10 were WFU; they were sold last month. They will not return to NW/DL. -- 22 -5500 series (delivered 19
27 Avconsultant: I think people are failing to realize we are in a major economic crisis driven by a failure of the credit market. DL nor any other airline can obtain
28 STT757: Many of those 757s are going to reach 30 years of service in the not too distant future, almost 30 years of back and forth flying between ATL and Flo
29 Enilria: IMHO Delta is in the worst position in the current economic crisis. They have put all (OK, half) their eggs in the international basket and it is look
30 CompensateMe: I posted the age breakdown above; outside three aircraft, the oldest frames won't be 30 for at least six years. Undoubtedly we'll see a number of 757
31 CompensateMe: I don't know how you came up with that (or many other of your) conclusion, but NW's widebody fleet is only 2/3 the size it was pre-SARS and all of DL
32 DeltaL1011man: pull more RJ out (CR2s) and put more 90s in the SLC hub no. The M90s would be used to replace 738s on short hauls out of SLC (the 738s would move to
33 SLCUT2777: I think if there is an aircraft that is slated for the soonest extinction in the DL fleet it will be the NW DC-9. If DL doesn't expand the MD-90 flee
34 DeltaL1011man: As i read into it its said 3 are coming in march My question is where did BCC get 3 M90s from? not sure I'd say long before any AB but if Delta doesn'
35 UpstateDave: How come everyone is calling for more 737NGs? There are more A320 family in the combined fleet than 737s
36 BMI727: That isn't nearly the only consideration. Plus, with a fleet of over 30 or so, fleet commonality isn't as important. Then there is DL's gentlemen's a
37 SLCUT2777: That would be very nice. If they were to go after more 737s, I'd say they'll go more after the smaller 700 rather than the larger trans-con 800. I do
38 BMI727: I would say just the opposite. DL would want the improved economics that come with the strectched -800. The -700s are best used on routes that requir
39 MCOAviationFan: This was exactly the reason DL gave for purchasing the -700, namely using the fleet to airports where the -800 had performance issues and the 757 was
40 FFlyerWorld: Some updated information on pilot forum site regarding MD 90's ... If Delta can get these birds at a "steal" - why not add 'em to their exisiting 16 i
41 1337Delta764: I wonder, if DL buys the MD-90s from China Southern or China Eastern, will DL add IFE to them? Unlike DL's MD-90s, the China Southern/Eastern MD-90s a
42 CompensateMe: And you don't think that DL, now the world's largest airline with the world's third largest Airbus fleet, couldn't get as good of a deal -- if not be
43 Mir: The only real DC-9 replacement right now is the CRJ1000 and E190/5. You could make an argument for the MD-88 replacing the DC-9-50s, though, and that
44 Cubsrule: DL would be foolish to base any projections on sub-$60 oil, though. It's not going to stay there forever. Could you maybe cite some numbers? The 739
45 Web: Why is this? I would think the -30s would be more attractive since they fill the gap between the CR9/E75 and the A319. What makes -50s so desirable?
46 3holeflyer: As demand goes up & down, is there any chance that DL will assign DC-9's routes that are not the NW regulars routes? To replace a 319 on a weak route
47 Gsosbee: Interesting discussion on the DC-9's and on a like for like basis the -9 cannot match a newer airplane. However, the -9's are paid for. That is a BIG
48 Mir: But it's the only plus. Right now, with fuel prices where they are, the DC-9s are fine. But should fuel go up again like it did over the summer, the
49 DeltaL1011man: Because Delta can get a fleet of 60 738s by 2015. nope it'll be more 800s if they replace the 90s they will go for the a/c around the smae size. more
50 Cubsrule: Fuel price volatility is exactly why it's nice to have the -9s around, though. Because they're owned, they're an excellent source of variable capacit
51 CompensateMe: The projections were based upon $75. Sorry, but it'd be foolish to build a business model upon any higher amount. The network carrier concept that's
52 Cubsrule: You have to build a business model based on some number. That's why most airlines pay people a lot of money to attempt to forecast oil prices. And yo
53 CompensateMe: Are you arguing with yourself? DL built its forecasts on $75. I'm amused; I work in the industry and know first hand the effects of high oil prices -
54 WESTERN737800: I dont think DL will get too many new 737s or 319/320s in the near future. If they can get the M90s at a decent price they should do it. They could pu
55 AvConsultant: I remember when the MD-90 rumor popped up a year or so ago. One of the rumor to go along with this was they would be based in CVG. Any thoughts where
56 DeltaL1011man: t6hat is due to them opening a DALPA in CVG(or did or was going to) CRJ routes in SLC. One would think if they want to go to SLC they would.
57 MCOAviationFan: The -50 offers a better CASM than the -30 or -40 mainly due to its larger capacity. I agree. The questions are at what yield could you fill the airpl
DeltaL1011man From United States, joined Sep 2005, 5106 posts, RR: 3 Reply 58, posted (9 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6557 times:
Quoting MCOAviationFan (Reply 61): Also, any 739 ordered today would not be delivered for at least 18 months.
more like 12 months. IIRC thats when DL's options start to pick up again. DL can get 14 737NGs next year. They already have 2 ordered as 800s but the other 12 can be 600,700,700ER,800, or 900ER.
long live the Delta L1011
59 Seemyseems: Does NW have some outstanding A330 orders? If DL want to expand their long haul netowork, they could order more B777's or maybe some B777-300's. But N
60 MCOAviationFan: Stay tuned. You may hear something from DL soon.
61 Cubsrule: Does DL need more 773/744 sized aircraft? Honest question... I don't know that I have a good answer.
62 MCOAviationFan: DL is looking at their WB fleet for future Asian expansion (economic recovery) and fleet replacement (747-400).
63 Cubsrule: Are they going to wait until the pilot fences come down? It seems like getting 773s would make more sense once they don't have to have a DL 777 pilot
64 MCOAviationFan: The pilot fences do not come down until 5 years after SOC is granted so the clock has not begun yet. We'll see what DL does with WB orders soon.
65 Cubsrule: OTOH, there's some lead time between the time at which a decision is made and the time when the aircraft start arriving on property. We're probably l
67 Hjulicher: Has anyone realized that compensateme has stopped contributing? I think given excess capacity in the market currently, it's very unrealistic for any a
68 Cubsrule: I alluded to this previously, but a lot of the answer to that question depends on the stage length we're talking about; the operating cost gap is muc
69 DeltaL1011man: The point of getting more 90s is to cut more CRJ routes out of SLC. they are not looking at them to expand but look to bring more mainline into SLC w
70 Cubsrule: Why? It seems to have worked well to this point. If it didn't, the first 16 738s on property could have replaced the M90s. For whatever reason, DL is
71 DeltaL1011man: Becuase it is costing them to much. but are 763ERs
72 Cubsrule: Why are the two different? The M90 is basically an M88 with different engines. The -3P6s are 763ERs with different engines (though, IIRC, the differe
73 MD-90: Perhaps this is due to the in-house capabilities of Delta TechOps.
74 Alitalia744: Movement on fleet will come within the next few months of the t's and i's get crossed and dotted correctly. It will be a win-win-win for three party's
75 Cubsrule: I think that's at least part of it, though OTOH we've seen another operator with a decent MRO (AA) move toward a much more streamlined fleet over the
76 BMI727: Which wasn't necessarily a good idea. In my opinion, AA made a big mistake in dumping the Reno Air MD-90s and TWA 717s while also dumpimg F100s. This
77 Okie73: just to be clear, there are only fences on the 777 and 747. No fences for any other equipment (except the 787 which isn't here yet and won't be for a
78 Cubsrule: I agree that DL has taken the wiser path, which is why I can't see them disposing of the M90s any time soon.
79 CokePopper: win for Boeing,GE and Embraer? Loss for Airbus? I need help here
81 United1: It is a little hard to read between the lines when there is only one line I thought there was a comment on an investor call some time ago that outsid
82 Sectflyer: I will not fly on a RJ from PVD to ATL period. BDL is about an extra 15 minutes for me to drive and I do it to avoid the iron maiden! Bring back mainl
83 DELTA7478: Are they going to wait until the pilot fences come down? It seems like getting 773s would make more sense once they don't have to have a DL 777 pilot
84 Jetlanta: I wouldn't count on it. But I trust him.
85 VictorKilo: We've already seen a bit of that - there's now a NW 319 on LAX-TPA. I've always thought that the M90 would make a lot of sense at MSP, given its cent
86 FFlyerWorld: It's obvious from looking at a few schedule changes upcoming in April - that Delta is wasting NO time in moving aircraft around to best suite their op
87 Planefxr: There are more dissimilarities than just engines.
88 DeltaL1011man: no large ordered but DL will take 8 77Ls 3 73Gs 2 73H at least. Nice idea hope true I'm sure of these two. look for atleast 2 more 777s ordered. 2010
89 Pbiflyer: How is this for interesting. Look at PBI - BDL in May. Normally one DL M88 flight per day, but in May there is a flight added in the evening using NW
91 Cubsrule: ...and the 763-3P6ERs and the rest of the fleet also have more dissimilarities than just engines.
92 MCOAviationFan: Good question! Nothing on the schedule yet. There will probably be something else. The 744 is scheduled to arrive ATL at 1445 from NRT. The HNL depar
93 Dalmd88: The dissim with the MD90 is way more than the 763-3P6ER. The MD90 has a completly different electrical system. It doesn't use a CSD/Gen mounted on th
94 Slcdeltarumd11: How fuel efficient are the MD-90s? I cant imagine DL wanting more aircraft but it could make sense if they can loose some less fuel efficient aircraft
95 DeltaL1011man: Same as what I've been told. about the same as the A320s.....the 90s are a good plane the problem DL has with them is the lack of transcon range. yes
96 Planefxr: The differences on 767 fleet are minor in most cases and do not include major systems such as generator systems, primary flight controls, interphone/
97 DeltaL1011man: This is what I have been told. I heard When TechOps went to China to look at them they are in ok shape and wouldn't take much down time and money to
98 Planefxr: Sorry, above my pay grade, but I have heard a dollar purchase figure.
99 Gigneil: The 73G is the code for a 737-700. The 73W and 738 are the appropriate codes for the 737-800. The 73G blows for their network. They don't operate any
100 C010T3: AFAIK, 73W is the 73G with winglets and 73H is the 738 with winglets.
102 PSU.DTW.SCE: The DC-9-50's will be the last of the DC-9's to stay in the fleet. The incremental operating cost of the -50 over the -30/40 is minimal with an additi
103 DeltaL1011man: ummm what is forever? They had the 733s(10......see the 10 73Gs now ) and they had 732s for YEARS. the last 732 has only been gone for 4-5 years. Onc
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