Iainbhx From United Kingdom, joined exactly 5 years ago today! , 235 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14429 times:
There are smoking cabins at FRA, MUC. There is a deeply unpleasant smoking room at VIE, there are some very nice ones at ZRH. I didn't see any post-security at DRS, TXL or DUS on visits last year. There's nothing at FCO, but you'll find AZ staff lighting up in any odd corner in front of you
B777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1144 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 14369 times:
Yes, AMS management came under a lot of pressure from KLM, who saw a drop in pax numbers when the smoking areas were closed. How pleasent to see that an airport actually listens to its customers!
MUC has recently introduced improved smoking lounges, not just the glass cublcles, much like those found in ZRH. I'd be suprised if FRA does not do the same, albeit there is not the same space available at the piers in FRA. Still, every time I go through FRA - which is quite often - they seem to have erected a new glass cubicle somewhere.
There is a direct relationship between offering facilities for smokers and traffic numbers - I'm one of those (very) frequent flyers who plan my trips around the option of having a smoke after a long-haul flight, and I'm far from being the only one. Consequently, BA lost my business, as well as that of several of my equally frequent flying collegues, when smoking was banned in LHR. AMS lost our business as well, but with this change is now back on the "approved" list of airports.
Smoking is also allowed in BSL & GVA, and the last time I visited ARN also had smoking areas. CPH recently closed theirs, which meant that they lost 5 xxx - CPH - SEA - CPH - xxx C-class fares from the company I work for. We went via FRA instead.
From receips and radials over straight pipes to big fans - been there, done that, got the hearing defects to prove
UN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4288 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 14325 times:
CPH closed it's? I was surprised last time I flew through that I only saw one smoking area; it was after clearing transit security but before going through passport control, beside 7-11 and the SAS transit desk
Kinglobjaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 130 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14143 times:
I think CLT still has a smoking room at the US Airways C/D Club.
The only other place I remember had a public smoking area was the LAS A/B terminal (US Airways concourse) but luckily they got rid of it. Now, that entire area smells so much better and is a lot cleaner. Good riddance...
Personally, and I know some may disagree, airports are no place for smoking. Want to smoke? Go outside, or just don't.
Kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8442 posts, RR: 14 Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14130 times:
Quoting Kinglobjaw (Reply 9): Personally, and I know some may disagree, airports are no place for smoking. Want to smoke? Go outside, or just don't.
I am not actually a smoker , and in fact I am pretty rigidly anti , but if someone is doing a trip from , say , New Zealand to Europe ( usually two plane changes and in excess of 24 hours ) and they are in transit and cannot go outside for a smoke I do think it is reasonable for there to be some facility for them ... people get stressed enough when travelling , and ( I just know I am going to get flamed here ) in my experience smokers generally are not very good at handling stress ( if they were they wouldnt 'need ' to smoke ) so it seems to me that smoking rooms in transit may help prevent 'air rage'
Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
JoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5263 posts, RR: 30 Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14053 times:
I used to smoke and I think the closing of so many smoking areas asinine. I know what it's like to do long haul without a smoke...it sucks. There are lots of people right on the edge when traveling without the added stress of withdrawal.
Smokers aquariums are just a smart thing to do...from a lot of standpoints.
Adriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 511 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12985 times:
Although not yet in the EU Zagreb airport has clamped down on smoking. In the cafe/restaurant its now banned, which is nice as although i smoke i would much rather people did it outside. Podgorica airport is also meant to be smoke-free. However i've seen it being broken. Belgrade airport is a smokers haven There are ashtrays in the hallways if i remember. Amazing that a decade ago we could still smoke on many European airlines. And now we can't even smoke outside the main doors of some airports. Ah, how times change.
UN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4288 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12883 times:
So true.. I have to agree though, that airports should really understand (through enclosed, well-ventilated smoking rooms.. at DME for example; I can't smell the smoke from the smoking room when I walk by, and it's in kind of a corner of the terminal)
If you're flying something like SVO-AMS-EWR-JAX with short connections you could have one very irritated smokger landing in Jacksonville
Kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8442 posts, RR: 14 Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12618 times:
Quoting SPIM2EDDN (Reply 18): What are you allowed to smoke there? I, mean it's the Netherlands... you never know
I wouldnt get my hopes to 'high' if I were you , they are calling it a smoking room , not a 'coffee shop' ... though it could be interesting , would certainly relax people a bit and help dampen down air rage
Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
YULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2144 posts, RR: 6 Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12548 times:
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 10): I am not actually a smoker , and in fact I am pretty rigidly anti , but if someone is doing a trip from , say , New Zealand to Europe ( usually two plane changes and in excess of 24 hours ) and they are in transit and cannot go outside for a smoke I do think it is reasonable for there to be some facility for them ... people get stressed enough when travelling , and ( I just know I am going to get flamed here ) in my experience smokers generally are not very good at handling stress ( if they were they wouldnt 'need ' to smoke ) so it seems to me that smoking rooms in transit may help prevent 'air rage'
Absolutely agree with you, and i am not a smoker either.
Also, perhaps the horrific smell inside the little booth may discourage them to go inside the booth and light it up, eventually...
DaBuzzard From Canada, joined Sep 2007, 135 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12505 times:
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 19): I wouldnt get my hopes to 'high' if I were you , they are calling it a smoking room , not a 'coffee shop' ... though it could be interesting , would certainly relax people a bit and help dampen down air rage
EGLboi From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 19 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12488 times:
I think more airport should have more smoking facilities. I am a smoked and I STRONGLY DISAGREE that you can "detect" a smoker when you are not!
I know many flight attedants that smoke and we try our best to keep a very clean appearance and I try very hard to ensure that I do not smell like smoke and that none of my passengers know, for the fact that I don't want to offend them with the odor. I believe the comment about being able to identify a smoker is a complete lie! Sure you might be able to identify a person that smokes if that individual smokes in there home constantly and is a chain smoker. I think it is very offensive that you think you can identify a smoker.
Another thing is, especially being a flight attendant and working for hours and not being able to have a smoke if very hard! It can be stressful and when an airport doesn't allow smoking it can be rough. More smoking rooms, mainly at hub cities would be great!
JoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5263 posts, RR: 30 Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12416 times:
Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 21): The smell attaches to clothing and hair so easily that one smells like smoke just from sitting next to a smoker, and there is no way to get rid of it before reaching the destination.
Okey dokey...also, while we're at it, ban b.o., cheap perfume, bad breath and stinky feet from airplanes.
Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 21): If you want to relax while injuring your health, it's much more considerate to have a beer or two.
How about drinking while sitting next to a recovering alcoholic? Alcohol does have quite a strong smell, especially on the breath...for hours after drinking. Ban booze, not only from airplanes but from being consumed in airports. Consuming booze isn't very considerate either.
Or, and here's a wild concept, since flying requires dealing socially with, perhaps, thousands of strangers, one might try to exhibit a little tolerance for those things they do which we might not find completely pleasant. Odds are, something you do/wear/emit will annoy someone in your proximity.
25 WarRI1: I am not saying that you cannot hide or mask the odor of smoking, but when you do not take precuations, believe me, I can detect it easily. Now that
26 SeaBosDca: I guarantee I could pick you out of a lineup without getting closer than three feet, unless you hadn't smoked in more than a day and were wearing a b
27 JoeCanuck: No more rude than eating garlic laden sausage, drinking wine, sharp cheese or wearing too much cheap perfume. All of these create odors which persist
28 Pylon101: It's a commonplace to state that fascist attacks on smokers led to raise of alcohol and especially drug abuse and addiction. All polls verify that. Wh
29 Lexer: FCO has a smoking room in terminal 2, sponsored by some tobacco company.
30 ZRH: As a non-smoker (I hate smoke) I find it ok when airports offer dedicated smoking rooms. After or before a long-haul flight it is a real necessity for
31 Airbazar: I agree with you 100%. I'd rather sit between 2 crying babies on a 12 hour flight than next to someone who's just been smoking. The stench is absolut
32 Cgnnrw: I recently had a conversation with a fellow anti-smoker. She thought smoking should be banned 100% from airports. Her attitude was "tough if they can'
33 CrimsonNL: Personally I think its a pathetic sight, those people in there almost push each other to death its so crampy, not to mention the smell coming out of t
34 Hardiwv: There is another one on the ways towards KLM Crown Lounge in the Schengen area...not that I use it, I see (smell) it everytime I walk to the Crown Lo
35 Rafabozzolla: Don't count on it... Word of an ex smoker who remembers all too well the urge to smoke just before and after a short two hour flight!
36 B777LRF: " Every airport that has the so called smoking rooms should make people pass a snif test before entering the airplane and anyone who doesn't pass shou
37 Kinglobjaw: Yes all of them can smell bad, but only one of those affects one's health- smoke. Ever heard of second hand smoke? There are a lot of people like mys
38 JoeCanuck: I agree completely...in fact, let's expand it. The same should be done for people who omit any odor which may be considered offensive...which is any
39 B747-4U3: The smell of someone who has had a cigarette will not give you cancer, just as the smell of someone who has been eating garlic will not give you seco
40 Airbazar: So you agree that intoxicated people should be allowed inside airplanes. Interesting idea. While we're at it, let's allow the pilots to fly drunk or
41 Deaphen: In AMS's defense, i must say that they have really thought over non smokers concerns, becuase the smoking room i saw was in a rather secluded area and
42 Micstatic: I think Tampa (KTPA) does a perfect job at satisfying both sides of the issue. They have outdoor smoking areas which are almost like a metal cage. Saf
43 EDICHC: Correct it is the directly exhaled smoke which carries the vast majority of carcinogens in passive smoking. A smaller proportion will remain in the e
44 Airbazar: You're missing the point entirely. It's a matter of higiene or common decency even. Just like I wouldn't get on a plane without taking a shower, or t
45 B747-4U3: It would disagree and say it is probably because they cost money to operate and take up space which could be used by shops which would generate addit