Jmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3165 posts, RR: 17 Posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2550 times:
I have noticed that Hermosillo, Sonora is one of Mexico's more prosperous cities with a population of nearly 800,000. It's per capita income and population place it near Fresno, California in terms of buying power.
Although HMO is very well connected in the domestic Mexico market, it's transborder service is limited to Aeromexico Connect ERJs to LAX and LAS; and US Airways Express daily Dash 8s to PHX. Back in 2000-01, Continental had daily ERJ service to HMO.
Fresno, on the other hand, has a daily Mexicana A319 to GDL which connects through much of MX's network.
Have the dynamics at HMO changed to where transborder flying is not in demand? Or could US Airways have an opportunity to corner the market and increase capacity at HMO through its PHX hub?
BA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 326 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2473 times:
Well with such a small population HMO is pretty well served by US destinations. I have family down in HMO area and its convenient to fly from PHX but not always affordable at times.
PHX is served by both USX and AM B737 to HMO daily not including Aeromexico Connect to both LAX and LAS both of which are new to having service in the last 2 years.
DL tried LAX-HMO but failed.
I've always wondering how long has AM/HP/US served HMO-PHX
Atcanobbio From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 57 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2462 times:
From observations, it seems that most mexican immigrants living in the US come from southern mexico (GDL, Morelia, Leon, Zacatecas, MEX, etc). thus GDL-FAT is a viable route.
HMO and other 'northern' cities are usually underserved to the US maybe due to small immigrant demand. Even MTY, as the industrial capital in the north, barely has some flights to the US (only LAX, ORD, MIA??, any others??)
Olli From Mexico, joined Mar 2001, 333 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2345 times:
Quoting Atcanobbio (Reply 2): HMO and other 'northern' cities are usually underserved to the US maybe due to small immigrant demand. Even MTY, as the industrial capital in the north, barely has some flights to the US (only LAX, ORD, MIA??, any others??)
No MIA flights, but add to LAX & ORD: DFW, IAH, DTW, ATL, JFK, LAS, AUS and SAT. I think that's about it.
WhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 604 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2221 times:
Quoting Atcanobbio (Reply 2): From observations, it seems that most mexican immigrants living in the US come from southern mexico (GDL, Morelia, Leon, Zacatecas, MEX, etc). thus GDL-FAT is a viable route.
HMO and other 'northern' cities are usually underserved to the US maybe due to small immigrant demand. Even MTY, as the industrial capital in the north, barely has some flights to the US (only LAX, ORD, MIA??, any others??)
these are my two cents...
I'd say that your two cents is accurate. It would be interesting to run the demographics on trans-border travel. FAT-GDL is mostly families traveling to see families and as noted, much of the population is around GDL. The number of through pax to Mex is actually fairly small.
In my own travels, to/fr MTY, it's a different pax mix, often with business travel to/fr the plants.
Flyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1858 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2201 times:
I think this would be a good market for Horizon from LAX.
Atcanobbio From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 57 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2129 times:
FLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2082 times:
I lived in HMO for the first 20 years of my life and I still go there often so I'll shed some insight as the only active HMO resident on A.net AFAIK:
Quoting Jmc1975 (Thread starter):
Have the dynamics at HMO changed to where transborder flying is not in demand?
People here forget that the border is only 1:45 hrs away from HMO (ok ok, I drive like a maniac, 3hrs in normal-human-being speeds ) so a lot of HMO residents just rather drive to places like TUS or PHX to do their shopping. Even though most of the people that do these kinds of trips can certainly afford the airfare, having a car just makes more sense and gives you much more flexibility than if you were to fly.
Also, if people need to travel beyond those two cities, a lot of people will drive to either TUS or PHX, and then pick a flight from there to go wherever they need to. My dad has being doing that for years when he has to go to trade shows in LAS. While there is (or used to be) service from HMO to LAS with AM, the airfare would rarely drop under $300. It is much cheaper for him drive to TUS and pick up a flight to LAS on WN for $100 or less. Also if somebody from HMO wants to go to Europe or elsewhere, it *usually* tends to be cheaper to drive to TUS or PHX and then fly to LAX, and then get to Europe/Asia/wherever else from LAX , than to do HMO-MEX-somewhere in Europe/Asia.
I've flown both AM and US multiple times between PHX and HMO. The loads tend to be decent, they never seemed to be less than 70% from my experience, but it really depends on the season. Also, the flights seem to be well suited for businessmen, and you'll usually see lots of men in suits and with briefcases in said flights.
Quoting Jmc1975 (Thread starter): Or could US Airways have an opportunity to corner the market and increase capacity at HMO through its PHX hub?
I don't think there's much of an opportunity for the above reasons. There just really isn't much of a demand.
DesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1392 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2003 times:
Up until last October, Areo Mexico Connect had a daily Saab flight into Tucson. A few times it was on a Regional Jet. Years ago, Areo California had service on an ancient DC9 three times a week also. There is a lot of commercial activity between Tucson and Hermosillo and at least one daily flight makes sense.
SYfan100 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 587 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1870 times:
Some call it supply and demand. If the demand is for that type of market then maybe there would be more flights. But if there is not the market then the flight choices are small.
I agree with your cities, but they all happen to be between Central Mexico and above.
Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 1): wondering how long has AM/HP/US served HMO-PHX
I remember AM serving PHX for at least the last 40 years with DC-9-15s replacing DC-3s an DC-6s on MEX-GDL-LMM-HMO-TUS-PHX
Quoting Atcanobbio (Reply 2): HMO and other 'northern' cities are usually underserved to the US maybe due to small immigrant demand. Even MTY, as the industrial capital in the north, barely has some flights to the US
HMO & MTY have their own, umbilical cords, air bridges, even drive & park, in HMO-PHX and MTY-IAH, this gives them full access to the US with US/CO.
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) so a lot of HMO residents just rather drive to places like TUS or PHX to do their shopping. Even though most of the people that do these kinds of trips can certainly afford the airfare, having a car just makes more sense and gives you much more flexibility than if you were to fly. 
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