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AA 158 (ORD-DME) In FRA  
User currently offlineLH498 From Germany, joined May 2007, 215 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4531 times:

Checking the departures at FRA, I noticed a departure to DME by AA 158 at 1200 CET.

Does anybody know why it diverted to FRA?
I ask mainly, because FRA is way south to the Great-Circle route, where a diversion to a Scandinavian airport could have been more suitable.
I checked on Flightaware, but the only part of the flight it displays, looks very similar to the Great-Circle route, which makes a diversion to FRA look a little odd. To me, anyways  Wink

Regards

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User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4491 times:

Last week I saw some diversions in Moscow because a snow storm, but the diversions were to HEL, not to FRA.

User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2452 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4468 times:

Maybe AA ops wanted to divert the plane to an airport where it has ground staff...

User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4254 times:

Last week AA158 diverted to FRA. I'm assuming it's because it's an AA staffed station and it'd be more convenient for all purposes to get things done @ Frankfurt.

-A



What now?
User currently offlineLH498 From Germany, joined May 2007, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3884 times:



Quoting Rojo (Reply 2):



Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 3):

Thanks for your answers!
It makes sense to divert to an owned staffed station, although this was quite a long diversion..


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3825 times:

Are you talking about the diversion last week? I'm guessing that when they got to FRA the crew would've run out of hours by the time DME weather cleared up; so they just went to rest and rescheduled the flight for next morning.

-A



What now?
User currently offlineJDAirCEO From Uruguay, joined Jan 2006, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3775 times:

Shows they went to FRA for refueling and were only on the ground for forty minutes, arrived DME 1724.

Not sure why they ran low on fuel though.



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User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3474 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3622 times:



Quoting JDAirCEO (Reply 6):
Not sure why they ran low on fuel though.

They weren't low on fuel... someone forgot the proper flight paperwork. Not familiar enough with the "international" division procedures to know what "supplemental information" they required, but needing "DME Approach Plates" would be pretty necessary considering they were headed for.... DME. Oops... pilots are human too.



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User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 844 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3400 times:

What about electronic flightbags? Doesn't AA pilots have those?

User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3474 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3113 times:



Quoting JohnClipper (Reply 8):
What about electronic flightbags? Doesn't AA pilots have those?

FAA has not approved AA for anything regarding navigational use so no electronic charts or approach plates permitted. Just our operating and flight manuals. Everything else we have to carry the paper versions (books and books and books).



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User currently offlineTraindoc From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2986 times:

The mandated use of paper shows how antiquated FAA (including ATC) really is. My Garmin (handheld) GPS and current Map Source maps of the US and Europe is more advanced! As long as the FAA is "run" by the Congress we will stay in the dark ages.

User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3474 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2821 times:



Quoting Traindoc (Reply 10):
The mandated use of paper shows how antiquated FAA (including ATC) really is.

It is worse than that. To use our "electronic" kitbag requires we carry a spare laptop battery and use a laptop only (no PDA or other devices allowed). And that laptop MUST be using Windows or MacOS operating system, nothing else. Not even WindowsCE (or whatever the "small" version is called nowadays). The electronic kitbag is nothing more than PDF files for all the manuals; however, those PDF files are "locked" so we can't even "highlight", "underline", "bookmark" or do anything else which might "alter" the file. Even for personal study purposes. All "updates" are complete replacement of the entire manual with the new file version --at least we know the manuals are complete with each revision. Trying to drag the FAA into the 20th century is a major project.... imagine how those who are trying to drag it into the current century must feel.  banghead 



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