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US Airways (Express- Piedmont) Starting PHL-EWR  
User currently offlineKinglobjaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 130 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10056 times:

PIT-EWR route is pulled on March 7, 2009.

Turns out, that same day (March 7, 2009) US is starting a single PHL-EWR flight. It will be operated by US Airways Express- Piedmont Airlines. After that, starting on March 8, 2009 there will be 4 flights in each direction.

Schedule is as follows:

US4534 PHL (9:30AM) - EWR (10:29AM)
US4536 PHL (1:30PM) - EWR (2:29PM)
US4552 PHL (4:10PM) - EWR (5:15PM)
US4556 PHL (8:50PM) - EWR (10:00PM)

US4505 EWR (6:45AM) - PHL (8:00AM)
US4525 EWR (11:20AM)- PHL (12:35PM)
US4527 EWR (2:59PM) - PHL (4:19PM)
US4539 EWR (5:45PM) - PHL (7:05PM)

-Kinglobjaw

[Edited 2009-02-23 11:10:03]


Kinglobjaw
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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6791 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10041 times:

Is there any more to the rumor US Airways/Piedmont would be getting either Q400 or ATR7? I think it's probably overdue for some replacement..


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User currently offlineSf3sce From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10024 times:

Is there any chance of seeing new us airways service to SCE from either LGA/DCA/CLT???


jet. its a must.
User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3474 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10006 times:

So now there will be 8 flts a day between PHL-EWR. I live just over the river from PHL in South Jersey and for me to jump on the Jersey turnpike and drive up to EWR takes a little over an hour at worst. Why would I decide to face delays at both PHL and EWR on what should be a 45 minute flight, but is blocked for at least an 1hr.

There's even a train station at EWR. In April I am flying to China from EWR and rather than my parents drop me off at the airport they are dropping me off in Hamilton and I will take NJ Transit to EWR.


User currently offlineKinglobjaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9981 times:



Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 3):
So now there will be 8 flts a day between PHL-EWR. I live just over the river from PHL in South Jersey and for me to jump on the Jersey turnpike and drive up to EWR takes a little over an hour at worst. Why would I decide to face delays at both PHL and EWR on what should be a 45 minute flight, but is blocked for at least an 1hr.

There's even a train station at EWR. In April I am flying to China from EWR and rather th

This is intended to capture connecting traffic to the West Coast and Europe. Same thing CO is doing to capture PHL traffic to Europe.

-Kinglobjaw



Kinglobjaw
User currently offlineKleinsim From Qatar, joined Jan 2007, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9981 times:

I know CO dropped the route a couple of years back to offer a codeshare with Amtrak from EWR to Philadelphia's 30th St Station which did not prove all that popular I think. CO has since reinstated the service and I guess US is now pulling even. Obviously nobody in their right mind would fly from PHL to EWR without connecting - the reason that flight is there is for connecting passengers to other flights only. I could see it loose money at the route level but be hugely profitable at the network level.

Kleinsim


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3474 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9934 times:



Quoting Kinglobjaw (Reply 4):
This is intended to capture connecting traffic to the West Coast and Europe. Same thing CO is doing to capture PHL traffic to Europe.

I understand that, my point is if I am flying Continental to Rome why would I fly PHL-EWR-FCO when I can just drive to EWR and fly EWR-FCO?

Although, I can see this working with CO as they serve more international destinations with more frequent service than US at PHL.


User currently offlineLogos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 796 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9817 times:



Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 6):
I understand that, my point is if I am flying Continental to Rome why would I fly PHL-EWR-FCO when I can just drive to EWR and fly EWR-FCO?

Well, let's say you live on the mainline or West Chester instead of South Jersey. Then it could make sense. But if you live in, say, Burlington County, NJ, I would agree with you - why fight traffic to PHL to get to EWR? - it makes no sense. I wonder if CO would offer lower fares to passengers connecting from PHL to draw traffic away from US than to those originating in EWR. That sort of thing used to happen all the time.

It's also a little tough to feature someone in Northern Jersey/New York actually connecting through PHL unless they were just so put out with CO for some reason that they want to avoid flying them at all costs.

Cheers,
Dave in Orlando



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User currently offlineJetsetter629 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9813 times:

I often make the drive to EWR because of the larger amount of international airlines then PHL and also lower fares to Europe

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 6):
I understand that, my point is if I am flying Continental to Rome why would I fly PHL-EWR-FCO when I can just drive to EWR and fly EWR-FCO?

Agreed...but I did travel MXP-EWR-PHL back in 2001 and it was great to get off of a 9 hour DC-10 flight and on to a 35 minute hop to PHL as opposed to 2+ hrs of traffic on a Thursday afternoon...


User currently offlinePhlstudent From United States of America, joined May 2006, 498 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9771 times:

could this be a setup for star alliance code shares that are going to pop up between US and CO possibly?

User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9737 times:

PHL-EWR = 70 nm flying over some of the most crowded airspace in the United States to & from two of the most delay-prone airports in existence.

PHL-EWR = 92.1 miles driving

I'll be curious to see the ontime record of these flights.



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User currently offlineToltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3311 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9726 times:



Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 6):
I understand that, my point is if I am flying Continental to Rome why would I fly PHL-EWR-FCO when I can just drive to EWR and fly EWR-FCO?

Because you prefer US over CO, or US offered a better fare, or the flight times work better.... Could be any of a number of reasons.

Quoting Phlstudent (Reply 9):
could this be a setup for star alliance code shares that are going to pop up between US and CO possibly?

No, there probably wouldn't be a need to add flights. Look at what DL is doing with flights between DL and NW hubs. Its all being rationalized, eliminating overlap. What US is doing is the exact opposite.


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3474 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9627 times:

EWR

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 10):
I'll be curious to see the ontime record of these flights.

Well to give you an idea

PHL-EWR on CO

CO 8800 76% 6am departure from PHL
CO 8802 65% 915 am dept from PHL
CO 8804 50% 540pm dept from PHL
CO 8824 54% 140pm dept from PHL


User currently offlinePhlstudent From United States of America, joined May 2006, 498 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9529 times:



Quoting Toltommy (Reply 11):
No, there probably wouldn't be a need to add flights. Look at what DL is doing with flights between DL and NW hubs. Its all being rationalized, eliminating overlap. What US is doing is the exact opposite.

Thats because DL bought NW and is trying to consolidate

US could codeshare on COs flights to Asia, South America, and Europe that US does not serve. Thus you could take US to EWR than change to a CO flight somewhere else in the world all on the same PNR.


User currently offlineJderden777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1758 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9467 times:



Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
Is there any more to the rumor US Airways/Piedmont would be getting either Q400 or ATR7?

aaaaahahahahahahaha. good one. i needed a laugh!  Wink

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
I think it's probably overdue for some replacement..

truth. but none in sight.

none of us are looking forward to this EWR crap. especially the RON.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8973 times:

I've been checking fares for some possible trips for my Wife and I, and with almost all the trips I'm pricing it's cheaper for us in Central Jersey to drive 70 minutes to PHL and connect via EWR on CO to where were going than it is for us to drive 45 minutes to EWR and fly nonstop.

It's cheaper to connect through EWR on CO Connection from PHL than it is to fly nonstop from EWR, the routes I've checked are to the West Coast and Florida.



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User currently offlineSkyhigh777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8880 times:

This is the same as the BWI-PHL flights...why in my right mind would I fly from Baltimore to Philadelphia when I can just drive it in sometimes less than an hour. Even if I'm connecting to places, I would just drive to PHL or fly out of BWI. Makes no sense to me.

Same logic with PHL-EWR...

I have a friend that sometimes flies BWI-EWR and once you go through security and get on the plane and what not, it takes just as long if not longer to just drive.



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User currently offlineLogos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 796 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8706 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 15):
It's cheaper to connect through EWR on CO Connection from PHL than it is to fly nonstop from EWR, the routes I've checked are to the West Coast and Florida.

I wondered about that. You used to see this a lot. It's a safe bet that US will end up returning the favor out of EWR.

Cheers,
Dave in Orlando



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User currently offlineWn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8220 times:



Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
Is there any more to the rumor US Airways/Piedmont would be getting either Q400 or ATR7? I think it's probably overdue for some replacement..

My own sources at EN indicate that while there is no plans for Q400s or ATRs in sight, EN will be disposing of up to twelve more dashes this year.

What I am not clear on is whether they will be maintaining or even increasing their schedueled lines of flight...

I think Airways more than has their hands full with their new A320s. Looks like these will of course be paid for on the backs of EN, as that enterprise is the ONLY consistant profiatble arm of the USAirways group. Of course EN itself will have to continue to downsize, trade owned planes for leases, and cut benefits. Go Airways...


User currently offlineToltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3311 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8126 times:



Quoting Phlstudent (Reply 13):
Thats because DL bought NW and is trying to consolidate

US could codeshare on COs flights to Asia, South America, and Europe that US does not serve. Thus you could take US to EWR than change to a CO flight somewhere else in the world all on the same PNR.

Ah to be young.....

The point of codesharing is similar to a merger. Eliminate overlap, feed customers to each other and share revenue. Name another codeshare that DOUBLED seats in a given market upon signing the deal. CO and US may wind up in a deal someday, but this move is all about increasing US market share at EWR.


User currently offlinePHLstudent From United States of America, joined May 2006, 498 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7980 times:



Quoting Toltommy (Reply 19):
Ah to be young.....

The point of codesharing is similar to a merger. Eliminate overlap, feed customers to each other and share revenue. Name another codeshare that DOUBLED seats in a given market upon signing the deal. CO and US may wind up in a deal someday, but this move is all about increasing US market share at EWR.

It's only doubling on PHL-EWR but feeding into new routes for US (via CO) as I mentioned.

I don't know enough about previous service from PHL to site specific examples. I've really only gotten heavily into aviation about 2 or 3 years ago. But I would assume there has been some capacity increases on routes US and UA both serve from PHL. But I don't know the previous capacity.


User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7948 times:

I'm pretty sure they will codeshare in the future, as soon as CO becomes a Star Alliance carrier I bet. (within the first year)


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User currently offlineKinglobjaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7895 times:



Quoting PHLstudent (Reply 20):
But I would assume there has been some capacity increases on routes US and UA both serve from PHL

Very right, you are. And it extends to the other US/UA hubs too...

Before the merger, ORD-PHL on US was 6 times a day on B733's/B734's. Now we see up to 10 flights a day per direction on a mix of B733/734's, A319's A320's and some E-190's. Also some Express on the weekends.

ORD-CLT has also grown. Last time I checked, they have 8 flts a day, two of which are A321's.

LAS and PHX were always A319/A320's on the AWA side, but we sometimes get a West 757 from LAS or PHX.

Prior to the merger, US Airways (East) operations at ORD only saw B733's and B734's from PHL/CLT/PIT and E-170's from DCA.

-Kinglobjaw



Kinglobjaw
User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3474 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7823 times:



Quoting Kinglobjaw (Reply 22):
Before the merger, ORD-PHL on US was 6 times a day on B733's/B734's. Now we see up to 10 flights a day per direction on a mix of B733/734's, A319's A320's and some E-190's. Also some Express on the weekends.

Yes but UA has reduced PHL flying. ORD-PHL has lost a few flts, LAX-PHL lost 2 flts (1 seasonal?) SFO-PHL lost 1 flt, DEN-PHL lost 1 or 2 flts.

Also, it looks like US had 7 flts today ORD-PHL.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7792 times:



Quoting Kinglobjaw (Reply 22):
ORD-CLT has also grown. Last time I checked, they have 8 flts a day, two of which are A321's.

To be fair, though, some of the changes at ORD have to do with the fact that ORD is no longer an all-737 station because of the 737 m/x that US did there.



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