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DL Move LAX Flights To JFK T4  
User currently offlineRetroLivery From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 204 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6264 times:

I received an email from Delta the other day informing customers that all of DL's LAX flights from JFK were to be moved to T4 from their current T2/T3 location. Does anybody know DL's motive behind this? Are they preparing to offer some kind of premium airport experience to LAX customers? Or is it just a merger-related move? Any info would be greatly appreciated!


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User currently offlineTinpusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6064 times:

Yes, apparently DL has come to an agreement with PANYNJ where they will take the six gates on the B concourse of Terminal 4 that face terminal 3.


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User currently offlineCokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1172 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6058 times:

more destinations to be added. Not just LAX.

User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1104 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6013 times:

Does DL have check-in desks at T4? I assume that if they don't they will just use NW's unless they chose to force all PAX to check-in at T2/T3 and then walk to T4 which I doubt will happen.

Quoting Tinpusher007 (Reply 1):
Yes, apparently DL has come to an agreement with PANYNJ where they will take the six gates on the B concourse of Terminal 4 that face terminal 3.

I'm pretty sure that all gates at T4 are common use gates so I don't think these gates will be used by DL only.


User currently offlineMCOAviationFan From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5989 times:



Quoting CokePopper (Reply 2):
more destinations to be added. Not just LAX.

I believe flights to PRG and the Middle East will also be departing from Terminal 4.


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1830 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5951 times:
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Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 3):
I'm pretty sure that all gates at T4 are common use gates so I don't think these gates will be used by DL only.

Gate B22 is Delta only gate and when we get the other 3 they will also be Delta only gates. The rest of the terminal will remain common use.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 3):
Does DL have check-in desks at T4?

Yes we have check in desks at Terminal 4 and you will be able to check in for any Delta departure from this counter. There is a airside shuttle that goes between terminals 4 and gate 19 in terminal 3.



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User currently offlineMCOAviationFan From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5931 times:

The LAX flights will be the first to use Terminal 4 (T4). As summer approaches, in addition to PRG and Middle East flights, DL will use T4 for LHR, NRT, AMS, and perhaps the Africa flying. Initial gates used will be B20, B22, and B24 with a check in counter in T4 and buses running from gate B23 in T4 to gate 11 in T3 and gate 19 in T2.

User currently offlineCokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1172 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5924 times:

I believe when NW starts to operate ATH and VCE those cities will
be added. Also we are being told NRT will also operate out of T-4.


User currently offlineCokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1172 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5862 times:

June 1 JFK-NRT, LHR, LOS and the NW flights of ATH and VCE will depart from terminal 4. This is in addition to all NW and KL flights from JFK. April 1 is the “official” opening of gates 20, 22 and 24 for Delta.

Middle East flight were origionally thought to depart out of 4 however, as of now, they
will stay at T-3 as they have built the extra security screenings at the gate. (TLV/CAI)


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5666 times:



Quoting CokePopper (Reply 8):
June 1 JFK-NRT, LHR, LOS and the NW flights of ATH and VCE will depart from terminal 4. This is in addition to all NW and KL flights from JFK. April 1 is the “official” opening of gates 20, 22 and 24 for Delta.

Any idea why these routes were chosen?


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1830 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5596 times:
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Quoting CokePopper (Reply 8):
will stay at T-3 as they have built the extra security screenings at the gate. (TLV/CAI)

That's actually TLV and AMM that require the secondary screening



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7526 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5596 times:



Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9):
Any idea why these routes were chosen?

Well the NW ones because they are already established in terminal four where NW has been for quite sometime. Since the NW ground crew are the only ones as of now allowed to touch an NW plane there that would have a lot to do with it.



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User currently offlineTinpusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5569 times:

So anyone know if this shift in gates will help free up space in T2/T3 and help clear up the clusterf*%k at the end of T2 where DCI operates?


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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1830 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5488 times:
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Also some of our arrivals are arriving into terminal 4. Specificaly the flights turning to LAX departures. The only steady one is the EZE arrival at 430 A.M.


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9255 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5232 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 11):
Well the NW ones because they are already established in terminal four where NW has been for quite sometime.

NW opps are on T4A DL will be on T4B so this has nothing to do with it.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 11):
Since the NW ground crew are the only ones as of now allowed to touch an NW plane there that would have a lot to do with it.

this is true but all DL has to do is move the NW ground crews over to T3



yep.
User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4644 times:

Yes, Buenos Aires flights have been using T4 also (they are discontinued, seasonally, next month). The plan is to use more T4 gates this summer, if possible.

Delta's situation at T3/T2 is desperate.

T3 was voted worst terminal in America in a survey I ran a few weeks ago for my weekly column.....


http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2009/02/13/askthepilot309/


I keep hearing rumors that DL is going to take over ALL of T4. I find this hilarious, because nobody who espouses this theory can ever explain what would happen to the 40-plus airlines that currently reside there. Try to imagine the likes of Singapore, Emirates, Qatar, Virgin Atlantic, etc., accepting a move into the black hole of T3!


PS



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9255 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4603 times:



Quoting Aviateur (Reply 15):
I keep hearing rumors that DL is going to take over ALL of T4. I find this hilarious, because nobody who espouses this theory can ever explain what would happen to the 40-plus airlines that currently reside there. Try to imagine the likes of Singapore, Emirates, Qatar, Virgin Atlantic, etc., accepting a move into the black hole of T3!

There has been talk (and was part of the 2000 plan) rebuild T3 and add to T2 and take over all of T4B.



yep.
User currently offlineLufthansa411 From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 692 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4473 times:

I am honestly not a big fan of this plan. It is always so nice to go by Terminal 4 on the AirTrain and see the wide variety of foreign tails. PIA, AI and VS always seem to be there which is a nice change from the sea of tails that is DL.


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16795 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4473 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 16):
There has been talk (and was part of the 2000 plan) rebuild T3 and add to T2 and take over all of T4B.



Quoting Aviateur (Reply 15):
I keep hearing rumors that DL is going to take over ALL of T4. I find this hilarious, because nobody who espouses this theory can ever explain what would happen to the 40-plus airlines that currently reside there. Try to imagine the likes of Singapore, Emirates, Qatar, Virgin Atlantic, etc., accepting a move into the black hole of T3!

The plan does not involve DL taking over T4 entirely, what it entails is first the extension of the East concourse (closest to T5). When that is complete all the airlines currently operating out of the West concourse will move to the newly expanded East concourse, DL would then take over the West concourse entirely. If they also expand the concourse they could have as as 15-20 gates at T-4. Then they would work on the T-2, T-3 areas.

However in the current economic crisis we find our selves DL is not getting anything major going anytime soon, it's most likely they would go ahead with the Port Authority on moving forward with the expanded T-4 project but hold off on anything regarding T-2, T-3 or a new check in/baggage building.

Either way it's a small step in the right direction, however it could be 2020 by the time anything major is completed.



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