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Air Canada In-flight Maps Finally Working?!  
User currently offlineBakersdozen From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6429 times:

Check out this recent trip report on a B767 and A330. It appears the maps are working?!?! http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ums/trip_reports/read.main/143878/

Wow, looks pretty nice, although it's sad that simple things impress us these days with AC. Now is this only on the newly XM'ed planes or as the system been completely updated?

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User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2147 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6271 times:

Only the XM planes have the moving map, and the reliability has been inconsistent at best, more than two years after introduction. I know plenty of people who have enjoyed the map and the 'news' features of the Thales AVOD, but in the last 18 months, I am zero for 42 when trying them out on XM AC aircraft.


The nice thing about a mistake is the pleasure it gives others.
User currently offlineBakersdozen From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6156 times:



Quoting Threepoint (Reply 1):
Only the XM planes have the moving map, and the reliability has been inconsistent at best, more than two years after introduction. I know plenty of people who have enjoyed the map and the 'news' features of the Thales AVOD, but in the last 18 months, I am zero for 42 when trying them out on XM AC aircraft.

Yeah I know the XM'ed ones do. That's basically the whole fleet now minus a few 330's and a 767 or two. BUT this guy was a few flights and it appears they have the map, at least that is a start... maybe they've upgraded more of them?


User currently offlineKdonohue From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6019 times:

Flew on the 777 and 320 this past weekend YVR-YYZ-YVR and the maps weren't working. Same for my YVR-YYZ-YVR flights in January and the same down to California a few weeks ago. A shame really, because I quite enjoy knowing where "I" am.

K


User currently offlineGMPEC From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6018 times:

On our resent flight from YYZ to SCL, the map worked on some seats and not on others. And I was disappointed that the map didn´t work at all on our flight from YEG to YYZ on the E90. The return leg is still to come, but I´m not expecting things to change.

Funny thing, the last time I left Chile was on this same aircraft (formally known as Free Spirit), and it is completely different, the new cabin is nice and the pods up front would be the way to go on that long flight (a bit more pitch in economy would definitely make it more comfortable)



GMPEC
User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6011 times:

I thought AC had commenced, or threatened to commence legal proceedings against THALES for this very iffy product? In my experience I would estimate on 75% of AC flights there is at least some problem with the THALES AVOD and on probably 1/3 of flights it just does not work at all. Admittedly it seems to be better now generally than several months go.

But the map system I've never known it to work.


User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5990 times:

I had mixed results recently. Flight 966 to BGI was inop on the moving map (the rest of the system worked decently, although the button placement and size leave ALOT to be desired). However, the return flight 967 was working like a charm. Both were 763s.


I don't care what you think of my opinion. It's my opinion, so have a nice day :)
User currently offlineDavidYYC From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5983 times:

This has never worked for me, a major disappointment. I understand that there is some talk of legal action being taken by AC. But what I dont understand is why the same (non-functioning) system continues to be installed in the aircraft currently being XM'ed??

User currently offlineBakersdozen From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5978 times:

hmm the dude on the trip report must be very lucky then. Anyways when it DOES work it appears to look pretty nice. I like the map graphics.

User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5976 times:



Quoting Bakersdozen (Reply 8):
hmm the dude on the trip report must be very lucky then. Anyways when it DOES work it appears to look pretty nice. I like the map graphics.

Having seen it first hand it is fairly nice. I wouldn't go as far as very nice as I recall wanting more information (I don't think things like lat/long, heading, etc. were on there). But as eye candy goes it looked decent. I had the pleasure of having the center seat empty (I was on the isle) so I left the center PTV on map mode in rotation between the options, while I watch something (mythbusters and some other things) on mine. Dual PTVs was nice  Wink



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User currently offlineYWG737LVR From Canada, joined Feb 2009, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5905 times:

I've been on 4 AC flights in the last month on XM'd aircraft, and none of them had a working seatmap.

As far as I am concerned the system that WS has is far better than that of AC. AC is only "taped" content, at least on WS I have a choice of "live" tv. (and the seatmaps work 99% of the time)

Just this man's opinion.


User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1386 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5861 times:

Worked last June on all 767s (3) I was on. Not so on the A319, though.


WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2515 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5780 times:

Flew on AC1820 YUL-VRA and AC1821 VRA-YUL two weeks ago, both flights with A320 and the maps weren't working.

Thenoflyzone



us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5765 times:

Flew on a 763 AC967 BGI-YYZ yesterday, and the map were worked! At least in Executive First. Btw, nice seats up there. Maps never worked on the few 319's I flew on.


You are said to be a good pilot when your take-off's equal your landings.
User currently offlineJamincan From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5732 times:



Quoting YWG737LVR (Reply 10):
at least on WS I have a choice of "live" tv.

Who even watches live TV anymore? I personally much prefer to watch what I want, when I want, then to be stuck to someone else's schedule.


User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5682 times:

I flew MCO-YYZ-YUL on AC both operated with A320s and the maps weren't working.

User currently offlineNaritaflyer From Japan, joined Apr 2006, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5670 times:

Never had a working map to and from NRT flights.

User currently offlineEyeno1 From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5670 times:

Flew YYZ-ZRH and back last week. Going over, display worked but they rebooted the system 3 times during the flight. Coming back, everything worked except the maps.

User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5003 posts, RR: 43
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5615 times:

As you are probably figuring out, the moving map function is being activated first on the B767, then moving to other aircraft in the fleet....widebodies first. However that being said, I positioned last month on an A321 and an E190, and the moving map function was working on both.

To me, AC and Thales' biggest error was having the "map" icon on the display screen, because like dealing with 2-year olds, if you didn't know it was possible, you wouldn't miss its existence. The icon should have been omitted until the feature was available.

It is like the comedian's video clip that is running around the Internet right now. This gentleman was talking about getting onto a plane and being told that a wifi hookup was available to those with a laptop. Shortly after, it stopped working and his seat mate started to complain .... "F**ing airlines, etc etc etc." He turned to the audience and said "30 minutes ago, this guy didn't even know the function existed, and now he is complaining because it isn't working!"



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User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1003 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5589 times:



Quoting LongHauler (Reply 18):
It is like the comedian's video clip that is running around the Internet right now. This gentleman was talking about getting onto a plane and being told that a wifi hookup was available to those with a laptop. Shortly after, it stopped working and his seat mate started to complain .... "F**ing airlines, etc etc etc." He turned to the audience and said "30 minutes ago, this guy didn't even know the function existed, and now he is complaining because it isn't working!"

Here is the link to the video for those that haven't seen it, very funny stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoGYx35ypus

I was lucky enough to get the map working on my flight in January from YVR-OGG, very nice!


User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2147 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5510 times:

Quoting CayMan (Reply 5):
I thought AC had commenced, or threatened to commence legal proceedings against THALES for this very iffy product?

Regardless of any legal proceedings, once the AVOD issue is finally resolved, you can guarantee that you'll be needing your credit card to access all 'premium' content. While the glitches are being worked out, they aren't charging us.

Quoting LongHauler (Reply 18):
To me, AC and Thales' biggest error was having the "map" icon on the display screen, because like dealing with 2-year olds, if you didn't know it was possible, you wouldn't miss its existence. The icon should have been omitted until the feature was available.

I disagree to an extent, as personal moving maps have been installed as standard features on foreign competitors for years now. So many people have experienced better systems first-hand (and second-hand through the benefit of advertising, the internet, trip reports, word of mouth, etc) that we know it's out there.

Having said that, there is a lot of truth in that comedian's routine.

[Edited 2009-02-25 09:21:57]


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User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2244 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5387 times:

Of all the parts of a flight, the map display is an interesting feature but hardly one that deserves such attention. Between the announcements from the flight deck what our routes would be and having flown a given route often, it was always pretty easy to guesstimate where you were anyways long before maps were introduced.

User currently offlineDavidYYC From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5363 times:

^ I disagree.

I like to have the map on and read, and glance at it occasionally. I find that these days the crew give us scant, if ANY, information on the route, where we are, or point out any interesting landmarks. I get the impression that the crew assume all of the passengers just arent interested at all in the route or aircraft position, the most one gets told is the weather at your destination, usually of little interest to me.
I have used AVODS on many airlines (the best being Emirates) they invariably work, unlike AC which invariably does not. On one AC flight I used my own handheld GPS which actually worked quite well until the battery ran out!


User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1986 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5335 times:

I have had the moving map work for me 5 times in recent memory. A FCO-YYZ, YYZ-CUN, YVR-YYZ all on 763s and a YVR-YUL and a YVR-YYZ on 321s. I have however been on MANY flights where it has not worked. Including a CUN-YVR where we had the old cabin (Yuk!). I hope AC files a claim against Thales, the system is a joke. I recently flew YVR-JFK-YVR on CX in the 77W and while their plastic seats are absolute crap, there AVOD system is 100 times better then the Thales system. It also is used by a remote (much better in my opinion). I know AC tried to do well with the XM, and it has been a bit of an improvement, but they could have done MUCH better. The J class seats are of poor quality, compare that to some other airlines C class seats. The Y class seats on the narrow bodies got rid of the adjustable head rest (for someone who is 6'5'' thats a big deal). And while the IFE is better then the previous theater style, it still pales in comparison to the likes of CX. That being said, I will disagree with that comment about the WS system being better. AC has the best system in Canada, but some of its competitors do have a better IFE.


Keep the shinny side up!
User currently offlineEgcarter From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5321 times:

A friend just flew YYZ-SCL on AC a couple of weeks ago and said that the maps (which are the only thing he likes in onboard entertainment systems) were not functioning.

25 777YYC : I flew YYC-YWG on a CR7 about a year ago and the map worked the whole time. Every other time I've flown AC since the XM started (mostly E90s) it hasn'
26 LongHauler : I agree, that the moving map is a great function, and liked by a lot of enthusiasts on this website and most passengers when they see it operating, t
27 Mpsrent : I flew on AC1 on February 19 from YYZ to YVR on a 777-300 and the interactive map was working. I really liked it, including the -81c outside temperatu
28 Threepoint : Granted, but I didn't mean to imply that AC directly advertised the moving map function at any time. My point is that people have been accustomed to
29 Connies4ever : Personally, I think AVOD is the most oversold, overhyped thing in commercial aviation in recent years. Take a book or magazine, preferably higher-brow
30 Pnwtraveler : The music is my favourite part. I always have a good book, reports to read, Sudoku, crosswords, and whatever mags I have picked up in the Maple Leaf L
31 Amritpal : on Mar 1, I flew YVR-YOW on A320. Map was not working. Flew YOW-YVR on A320 on Mar 6, Map not working. The pax beside me had his screen non-responsive
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